NZ - Touran wants an R32 engine

NZDubNurd · Dec 13, 2014

I used the SKC to access the ECU, and the same one for the IMMO.

I entered the code into the ECU first, then the IMMO.

Should I see some in channel 50 for sure??? the Audi is still mostly intact currently - so ECU and IMMO matched.

golfi_vend · Dec 14, 2014

You should be seeing something like this from video. Start watching from 4.30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=J5_51qeEyec#t=268

NZDubNurd · Dec 14, 2014

Right:

On the Touran IMMO:

On the Touran ECU:

A3 is still the same though!!!!! - If I try without entering the SKC, it says security access required in channel 50. Then I enter the code, go back in, and it says Channel 50 unavailable - like it did before. It has options for IMMO, Instruments and ECU, and I tried all of them - the Instruments one has an access code entry option for adaptation, but it's not the SKC PIN.

I went into measuring blocks to check 081:

Some things that may affect it?????: A3 is JDM (used japanese import), and I've had the battery disconnected, other than when I'm fiddling with it. I taken the ECU out a few times, and not started it since.

It's also gone back to saying "required time not elapsed", and "Seed not sent", which I had to leave the ignition on for 10 minutes yesterday to clear (it seems anyway - I had it on for ages, and it worked when I went back out there later).

A bit confusing really!

golfi_vend · Dec 20, 2014

Hey

Any new info?

NZDubNurd · Dec 21, 2014

Ha... Groan...

I can't recode this ECU to manual from DSG it seems, so actually have to get a manual ECU from an R32, TT, A3 etc. Or reflash this one with manual transmission software at least. It doesn't accept a coding change in VCDS. I really want to know if the other models ECU's can be recoded to manual, or if it's an issue with the whole lot of them. Also, if they all use 5P08C3 EEPROM for settings. Either way, I have to do some fiddling with this one, or change it.

For the IMMO:

Channel 50 always says either of these: "security access required" if not logged in with the cade, or "error Channel 50 not available" when I *AM* logged in.

To get into channel 50, I tried logging in with the access code (it's currently set at 65387, hex: FF6B). I also logged in, and waited 10 minutes before accessing adaptations (I read on the web it worked for someone) and tried the same, waiting 20 minutes. I disassembled the key, and checked the IMMO was intact - it is - turning on the car with just the key blade brought up "SAFE" on the cluster and engine only ran for a second, so it's intact it seems. I tired with the cluster unplugged too.

Nothing I've tried allows me access so far, and I'm out of ideas. I suuppose I could try with the engine running, though I don't see why that would help...

I have the EEPROM dump (that's where I got the SKC code from) so in theory could manually alter the data, but I don't know that the IMMO4C ECU (if that's what it is) is going to be happy talking to an IMMO4A cluster anyway - I may have to IMMO off it (easy on this EEPROM) and flash it back - - -which I was going to yesterday, just for fun, but I can't write back to it while it's on the board it seems, so will have to de-solder it. Then cover the IMMO light on the Touran cluster.

Any other clever Ideas???

Uwe · Dec 21, 2014

Personally, I'm all out of clever ideas.

If do find it interesting that these relatively modern ECUs still use a separate EEPROM chip instead of keeping sensitive data like that inside the processor, where it wouldn't be quite so straightforward to access and alter it using brute-force methods.

-Uwe-

golfi_vend · Dec 21, 2014

Well thats only good for us. :P

Actually the eeprom isn't that bad, as data inside processor is usually always cracked away.

What is weird is that it's unencrypted.

NZDubNurd · Dec 21, 2014

Wierd, I'm not getting instant notifications of replies anymore...

I have some 5P08C3's coming, so I can play a bit.

I may purchase a manual trans Golf 5 R32 ECU if I can find one, and check what's going on there. I Know they can be made to run stand alone, so the IMMO-Off idea should work at least... crossed fingers.

NZDubNurd · Jan 7, 2015

I found an early MK5 R32 (2006) DSG ECU locally, so I bought it

It also can't be coded to manual, though the guy I ogt it from has converted a 2012 Golf GTI from DSG to manual, and he left the ECU coding, but coded the other modules to manual (gateway etc), and it works fine - I'll see I guess.

and ECU + SKC + :vc =

Channel 50 exists, and works, though it can't be adapted to the Audi (duh!). I have ECU wiring pigtails too, so can build a bench harness for flashing, or for temporary fitting of the ECU into the Touran wiring.

If I could find a cheap enough MED9.5.10 ECU, I could cut the socket off and build an adapter, even easier!

Great Success!

:cool:

anyone know if mk4 and mk5 front axles are the same length (ECU supplier measured his, and they're basically the same), or if DSG and Manual axles are the same in the MK5? I know both the Touran Auto and the A3 DSG both use tripoid inner joints, but if I can use the A3 ones, or just change the inner joints, I'll be a happy man! The transmission I'm using is a MK4 2.8 VR6 6 speed 4motion one

Now... to find the next problem.

Allan.

golfi_vend · Jan 7, 2015

As far as i know, the mk4 uses 02M type gearbox and mkv 02Q, it's advised to use 02Q because of the stronger case.
But for the 02M, you need to make a plug for speed sensor hole, or just leave it in

About the ECU, didn't many other type ECU-s use same plug, just different pinout.

NZDubNurd · Jan 7, 2015

golfi_vend said:
As far as i know, the mk4 uses 02M type gearbox and mkv 02Q, it's advised to use 02Q because of the stronger case.
But for the 02M, you need to make a plug for speed sensor hole, or just leave it in

Yeah... apparently, but the 02M supposedly has stronger gears... probably not an issue for us - mostly the car will be dropping the kids to the school bus, and Kindergarten - 2.0L just isn't enough for that though

, and both types still have the shift fork issues I think. I'd probably NEVER find an 02Q over here, and the 02M was only NZ$450 - US$350. :cool:

Getting closer!

golfi_vend said:
About the ECU, didn't many other type ECU-s use same plug, just different pinout.

I think so, but I'm not 100% sure - I was trying to find the details of what ECUs are the same, and what other makes use the same plug, but it's tricky. It's 94 pin, I think from memory EDIT: It's a 94 pin, and a 60 Pin, making T154. I can always to it the old fashioned way... you know:

The pigtails I got for the ME7.1.1 are actually from an Audi A8 4.2 V8 I think.

NZDubNurd · Jan 7, 2015

Turns out I can just buy the MED9.5.10 ECU side connector from RS:

TE 284617-1, RS 731-3209

Ordered.

NZDubNurd · Jan 24, 2015

Uwe - are you happy for this to still be in the new member area, or should it really be in the support forum... the thread has morphed a bit! :cool:

Made up my adapter loom from the MED9.5.10 to ME7.1.1:

I made sure to test it first on the original A3 ECU, in case the smoke got out... Though I was slightly concerned about the fire risk to the Touran

After success there, I plugged in the R32 Golf ECU, and succesfully communicated with it! :thumbs:

It only connects power/ignition, Earths, K-line and Can hi/lo, so obvioulsy it had a few errors.

I thought I'd be able to run the IMMO adaptation so the ECU would be paired to the Touran cluster... FAIL.

Do I need to have no DTC's to run it? Does the battery voltage have to be over 12.5 for it to even try?

I had a list of DTC's, plus the battery voltage ended up being 11.5, even with my little charger connected, because as soon as the imobiliser is activated, the brake lights all stay on.

Here is an autoscan with the R32 ECU fitted:

Code:

Saturday,24,January,2015,19:32:13:42165
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator
VCDS Version: 14.10.0.0 (x64)
Data version: 20141022


VIN: WVGZZZ1TZ6W129773   License Plate: TOURAN WITH R32 ECU
Mileage: 120320km-74763mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: 1T (1K0)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 52 56 62 72

VIN: WVGZZZ1TZ6W129773   Mileage: 120320km-74763miles

00-Steering Angle Sensor -- Status: OK 0000
01-Engine -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
02-Auto Trans -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: Malfunction 0010
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
25-Immobilizer -- Status: Malfunction 0010
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: Malfunction 0010
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
 
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Address 01: Engine        Labels: 022-906-032-BDB.lbl
   Part No SW: 022 906 032 CE    HW:             
   Component: MOTRONIC ME7.1.1G   6733  
   Revision: --H01---    Serial number: VWZ7Z0E3138758
   Coding: 0000178
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 50AF5F7AC34786A1BFB-8005

3 Faults Found:
000280 - Engine Coolant Temp. Sensor (G62) 
               P0118 - 002 - Signal too High
001669 - ECM Power Relay Control Circuit 
               P0685 - 004 - Open Circuit - MIL ON
000275 - Intake Air Temp. Sensor (G42) 
               P0113 - 002 - Signal too High
Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 09G-927-750.clb
   Part No: 09G 927 750 CS
   Component: AQ 250 6F           0847  
   Coding: 0000072
   Shop #: WSC 01324 785 00200
   VCID: 0407A32A47BFAA014B3-8051

2 Faults Found:
01045 - Tiptronic Switch (F189) 
            008 - Implausible Signal
01314 - Engine Control Module 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - MIL ON

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1K0-614-517-MK60-F.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 614 517 AC    HW: 1K0 614 517 AC
   Component: ESP FRONT MK60-AT   0102  
   Revision: 00H13001    
   Coding: 0021190
   Shop #: WSC 01324 785 00200
   VCID: 68DF979A5BD76E61C7B-803D

1 Fault Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module 
            004 - No Signal/Communication

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 1K0-907-044.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 907 044 BD
   Component: ClimatronicPQ35 090 0808  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 6ADBED9245DB5C71D1F-803F

1 Fault Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module 
            004 - No Signal/Communication

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 3C0-937-049-23-M.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C0 937 049 D    HW: 3C0 937 049 D
   Component: Bordnetz-SG     H37 1002  
   Revision: 00H37000    Serial number: 00000005382893
   Coding: 008D0F210004100000120C000000000000097B075C
   Shop #: WSC 01324 785 00200
   VCID: 2A5B2D92855B9C7111F-807F

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1T0 955 119 C  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer VW358  012  0401  
   Coding: 00063445
   Shop #: WSC 01324  

2 Faults Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 5
                    Reset counter: 184
                    Mileage: 120324 km
                    Time Indication: 0

             Freeze Frame:
                        ON
                    Voltage: 12.10 V
                        ON
                        ON
                        OFF
                        OFF
                        OFF

00526 - Brake Light Switch (F) 
            008 - Implausible Signal
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101000
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 144
                    Mileage: 120324 km
                    Time Indication: 0

             Freeze Frame:
                        ON
                    Voltage: 11.95 V
                        ON
                        ON
                        OFF
                        OFF
                        OFF


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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1T0-909-605.lbl
   Part No SW: 1T0 909 605 C    HW: 1T0 909 605 C
   Component: 02 AIRBAG VW62 0506 1500  
   Revision: 09025000    Serial number: 0038BD0H4NRK  
   Coding: 0012338
   Shop #: WSC 01324 785 00200
   VCID: 35610EEE5CE5C3898CD-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 AF    HW: 1K0 953 549 AF
   Component: Lenksäulenmodul 034 0070  
   Coding: 0010042
   Shop #: WSC 01324 785 00200
   VCID: 76E3C9E201638891457-8023

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No: 1T0 920 862 E
   Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDD 4312  
   Coding: 0000001
   Shop #: WSC 00010 824 70462
   VCID: 35610EEE5CE5C3898CD-8060

1 Fault Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 1K0-907-530-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 F    HW: 1K0 907 951 
   Component: Gateway         H10 0120  
   Revision:   H10       Serial number: 2800106127113D
   Coding: 3F3F0340078003
   Shop #: WSC 01324 785 00200
   VCID: 2A5B2D92855B9C7111F-807F

1 Fault Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 3
                    Reset counter: 184
                    Mileage: 120324 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 19:08:30


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Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No: 1T0 920 862 E
   Component: IMMO            VDD 4312  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 35610EEE5CE5C3898CD-8060

1 Fault Found:
01312 - Powertrain Data Bus 
            014 - Defective - Intermittent

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MIN2.lbl
   Part No: 1T0 959 701 B
   Component: Tuer-SG         024 2302  
   Coding: 0000692
   Shop #: WSC 01324 785 00200
   VCID: 366309E241E3C891857-8063

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
   Part No: 1K2 909 144 K
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.2   D06 1701  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 346733EA579FDA81BB3-8061

1 Fault Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Mileage: 320 km
                    Temperature: 21.0°C
                    Voltage: 12.20 V
                    Voltage: 12.00 V


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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1K0-959-433-MIN.clb
   Part No: 1K0 959 433 AK
   Component:    KSG              0401  
   Coding: 00C802087F2D8405485FC61010CC
   Shop #: WSC 00010 824 05318
   VCID: 79F9C2DE307DE7E9285-802C

   Subsystem 5 - Part No: 1K0 947 291 F
   Component: Innenraumueberw.009 4809  
   Coding: 00000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000  

   Subsystem 6 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
   Component: LIN BACKUP HORN H03 1301

   Subsystem 7 - Part No: 1K0 907 719 C
   Component: Neigungssensor  005 0003

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MIN2.lbl
   Part No: 1T0 959 702 B
   Component: Tuer-SG         024 2302  
   Coding: 0000692
   Shop #: WSC 01324 785 00200
   VCID: 377D04E646E931999E1-8062

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 1K0-035-1xx-56.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 035 186 P
   Component: Radio GR0       015 0019  
   Revision: 0001503S    Serial number: VWZ2Z2F3751220
   Coding: 0040400
   Shop #: WSC 01324 785 00200
   VCID: 336530F65291DDB9A29-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels: 1K0-959-703-GEN2.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 959 703 E
   Component: Tuer-SG         021 2428  
   Coding: 0000144
   Shop #: WSC 01324 785 00200
   VCID: 326B35F2AD8BD4B1A9F-8067

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels: 1K0-959-704-GEN2.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 959 704 E
   Component: Tuer-SG         021 2428  
   Coding: 0000144
   Shop #: WSC 01324 785 00200
   VCID: 336530F65291DDB9A29-8066

No fault code found.

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 01:46)--------------------------

Cheers,

Allan.

golfi_vend · Jan 24, 2015

Look at this autoscan which i found from web. It shows cluster 973. These were usually immo4c

Code:

Tuesday,26,March,2013,19:16:06:06408
VCDS Version: Beta 12.10.3
Data version: 20130228



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Chassis Type: 7N0
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 22 25 2E 37 42 44 46 52 55 56 62
72 76

VIN: WVWZZZ1KZ7W101738 Mileage: 116540km/72414miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: Malfunction 0010
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
22-AWD -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
2E-Media Player 3 -- Status: Malfunction 0010
37-Navigation -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
55-Xenon Range -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
76-Park Assist -- Status: OK 0000

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Address 01: Engine Labels: 022-906-032-BDB.lbl
Part No SW: 022 906 032 CE HW:
Component: MOTRONIC ME7.1.1G 6733
Revision: --H02--- Serial number: VWZ7Z0F8171646
Coding: 0000178
Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
VCID: 50A40BD8C3FA3B9E5F5

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0000 1000

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Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 02E-300-0xx.lbl
Part No SW: 02E 300 047 F HW: 02E 927 770 AE
Component: GSG DSG 070 1164
Revision: 04507000 Serial number: 00000606070395
Coding: 0000020
Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
VCID: 1B3EACF4DABCC8C67A7

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-A.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AB HW: 1K0 907 379 AB
Component: ESP 4MOTION MK60 0102
Revision: 00H13001
Coding: 0004744
Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
VCID: 72E0A1506DB6298E891

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255) Labels: 5K0-907-044.clb
Part No SW: 5K0 907 044 ES HW: 5K0 907 044 ES
Component: Climatronic H18 1112
Revision: 00003001
Coding: 0004000802
Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
ASAM Dataset: EV_Climatronic A01010
ROD: EV_ClimaAutoBasis_SK35.rod
VCID: 80047B981B1A8B1E0F5

1 Fault Found:
13701456 - Function Restricted due to Missing Message(s)
U1111 00 [009] - -
Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 6
Fault Frequency: 17
Reset counter: 220
Mileage: 116369 km
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 14:01:26


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Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels: 3C0-937-049-23-H.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 937 049 E HW: 3C0 937 049 E
Component: Bordnetz-SG H37 1002
Revision: 00H37000 Serial number: 00000006261517
Coding: E68F8F2700141400001400001400000000097B075C
Shop #: WSC 12345 785 00200
VCID: 2B5E7C348A1C38460A7

Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K2 955 119 E Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
Component: Wischer 171006 020 0501
Coding: 00040853
Shop #: WSC 12345

Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 AB Labels: 1K0-955-559-AF.CLB
Component: RLS 241006 020 0103
Coding: 01266718
Shop #: WSC 12345

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 AB HW: 1K0 909 605 AB
Component: 5B AIRBAG VW8R 034 8000
Revision: 05034000 Serial number: 003B6D0726UZ
Coding: 0013634
Shop #: WSC 01269 785 00200
VCID: 6CDCBF284F92FF7E43D

Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332MSME13410D632

Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342MSME117835579

Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6352QSME137B21237

Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6362QSME113B3637D

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 AQ HW: 1K0 953 549 AQ
Component: J0527 036 0070
Coding: 0013142
Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
VCID: 81027E9CD810821600B

Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX
Component: E0221 002 0010

1 Fault Found:
00888 - Wiper Switch for Intermittent Operation (E22)
014 - Defective

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Address 17: Instruments Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
Part No SW: 1K6 920 973 B HW: 1K6 920 973 B
Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDD 1610
Revision: V0003000 Serial number: VWZ7Z0F8171646
Coding: 0007403
Shop #: WSC 00018 210 182017
VCID: 32606150AD36698E491

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533) Labels: 7N0-907-530-V2.clb
Part No SW: 7N0 907 530 C HW: 1K0 907 951
Component: J533 Gateway H37 0614
Revision: H37 Serial number: 250511F2000726
Coding: 350003
Shop #: WSC 01279 000 12345
VCID: 30646B58633A5B9E3F5

No fault code found.

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Address 22: AWD Labels: 1K0-907-554.lbl
Part No: 1K0 907 554 F
Component: Haldex 4Motion 0115
Coding: 0000001
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 30646B58A33A5B9E3F5

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
Part No SW: 1K6 920 973 B HW: 1K6 920 973 B
Component: IMMO VDD 1610
Revision: V0003000 Serial number: VWZ7Z0F8171646
Shop #: WSC 00430 941 84761
VCID: 32606150AD36698E491

No fault code found.

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Address 2E: Media Player 3 (J650) Labels: 5N0-035-342.lbl
Part No SW: 5N0 035 342 C HW: 5N0 035 342 C
Component: SG EXT.PLAYER H13 0111
Revision: A1001003 Serial number: 7668444041
Coding: 010000
Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
VCID: 2756800456F41C26EEF

1 Fault Found:
03138 - Input AUX IN
009 - Open or Short to Ground
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101001
Fault Priority: 4
Fault Frequency: 3
Reset counter: 219
Mileage: 116451 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 14:06:44


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Address 37: Navigation (J0506) Labels: 1T0-035-680.clb
Part No SW: 1T0 035 680 D HW: 1T0 035 680 C
Component: RNS-MID H42 3980
Revision: AB001001 Serial number: VWZ6Z7K7271050
Coding: 08000400040000200000
Shop #: WSC 01279 123 12345
VCID: 2F6668247E04446626F

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver Labels: 1K0-959-701-MAX3.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 N HW: 1K0 959 701 N
Component: Tuer-SG 005 0972
Coding: 0000692
Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
VCID: 3972567C70409AD688B

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
Part No: 1K0 909 144 J
Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 000 3001
Revision: 00H17000
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 31626E5CA830529630B

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv. Labels: 1K0-959-433-MAX.clb
Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 BT HW: 1K0 959 433 BT
Component: KSG PQ35 G2 020 0203
Revision: 00020000 Serial number: 00000000000000
Coding: 199002005103407F2D040F0FF008DFC690D800
Shop #: WSC 00430 941 84761
VCID: 830E7494C20C9006127

Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
Component: LIN BACKUP HORN H03 1301

Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 951 178
Component: Neigungssensor 001 0101

Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1K0 951 178
Component: Innenraumueberw.001 0101

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. Labels: 1K0-959-702-MAX3.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 959 702 N HW: 1K0 959 702 N
Component: Tuer-SG 005 0972
Coding: 0000948
Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
VCID: 3A704970754691CE811

No fault code found.

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Address 55: Xenon Range Labels: 1T0-907-357.lbl
Part No: 1T0 907 357
Component: Dynamische LWR 0003
Coding: 0000004
Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
VCID: F4EC274897A2A7BE1BD

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (J0506) Labels: 1T0-035-680.clb
Part No SW: 1T0 035 680 D HW: 1T0 035 680 C
Component: RNS-MID H42 3980
Revision: AB001001 Serial number: VWZ6Z7K7271050
Coding: 08000400040000200000
Shop #: WSC 01279 123 12345
VCID: 2F6668247E04446626F

No fault code found.

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left Labels: 1K0-959-703-GEN3.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 959 703 K HW: 1K0 959 703 K
Component: Tuer-SG 005 0913
Coding: 0000144
Shop #: WSC 01279 785 1012552
VCID: 387453784B4A83DE775

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right Labels: 1K0-959-704-GEN3.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 959 704 K HW: 1K0 959 704 K
Component: Tuer-SG 005 0913
Coding: 0000144
Shop #: WSC 01279 785 1012552
VCID: 3972567C70409AD688B

No fault code found.

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Address 76: Park Assist Labels: 1K0-919-283.lbl
Part No: 1K0 919 283 A
Component: 22 Einparkhilfe 0101
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 2D5A722CB4083676143

No fault code found.

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Uwe · Jan 24, 2015

NZDubNurd said:
Uwe - are you happy for this to still be in the new member area, or should it really be in the support forum... the thread has morphed a bit!

I'll move it to Retrofits, 'cause you're clearly retrofitting stuff.

NZDubNurd said:
I thought I'd be able to run the IMMO adaptation so the ECU would be paired to the Touran cluster... FAIL.

Do I need to have no DTC's to run it?

Good question. We've never had much in the way of luck doing that on the bench, even with previous-generation (Mk.4/Immo-3) ECUs and Clusters.

NZDubNurd said:
Does the battery voltage have to be over 12.5 for it to even try?

That's always been VW's recommendation. It was in their early immo procedure documents. Whether any of the modules enforce it or not, I do not know.

-Uwe-

NZDubNurd · Jan 26, 2015

golfi_vend said:
Look at this autoscan which i found from web. It shows cluster 973. These were usually immo4c

That scan is from a 2007 model, I got the ECU from a 2006 model, because apparently they changed for 2007, during the 2006 model year - not sure if they changed at the model year change, but the Golf in a few months older than the Touran. That may not be correcty either, but I read it on the internet, so it must be true

I guess if I hook it up again, and this time take the screenshots I forgot, the IMMO id will give it away.

Hopefully it's something more simple. I can still IMMO off the R32 ECU I guess, or manually change the data in the EEPROM in the R32 ECU - it shouldn't be much harder than the IMMO off.

I assume the Comm errors are due to me fiddling, not because the modules can't communicate at all. When I was playing with the A3, sometimes It would have com errors, even when the ECU was conencted the whole time - I think going into "security access" may cause it.

Uwe said:
I'll move it to Retrofits, 'cause you're clearly retrofitting stuff.

Good question. We've never had much in the way of luck doing that on the bench, even with previous-generation (Mk.4/Immo-3) ECUs and Clusters.

That's always been VW's recommendation. It was in their early immo procedure documents. Whether any of the modules enforce it or not, I do not know.

-Uwe-

I thought you might want it moved, as we've gone away from the original topic really :facepalm:

I'm good at that!

I know the BMW software simply won't allow certain things to be done, unless the voltage is high enough - it just warns that the voltage is too low, tells you to connect a charger and aborts the programming.

I'm hoping that the issue with benchflashing is the same I'm having! I'm very wary of wiring the ECU into the Touran, and THEN finding I can't get them talking! I guess I'll have to document any wiring changes VERY well, in case I have to revert back to the 2.0 at some stage. I know the R32 has gone into a Caddy succesfully, but getting details is VERY difficult.

Thanks guys.

golfi_vend · Jan 26, 2015

AS far as I've dealt with it, VDD clusters ending nr of 3 are 4C. When i was messing with my cluster, my old cluster was 863b(half screen), but it was from Visteon so the immo version was 4a.
Hoping that all 3 ending clusters are 4a i ordered 873b(full screen), but it wasn't. Indeed it was 4c and from VDD.
Knowing that i would of ordered 872, because i have tools for clusters ending in 0 to 2. Or ordered cluster with 4 ending, so I've wouldn't have errors with new mk6 climatronic.

Uwe · Jan 26, 2015

NZDubNurd said:
I know the BMW software simply won't allow certain things to be done, unless the voltage is high enough - it just warns that the voltage is too low, tells you to connect a charger and aborts the programming.

VCDS doesn't currently do that. Most of our interfaces don't have the ability to read the car's system voltage. Of course, various modules do know the voltage, and could do that themselves. I'm not sure whether they actually do or not.

Yes, in principle VCDS could go rooting around and find what some module thinks the voltage is, but since there's no universal way to read it, doing that would be complicated, slow, and failure prone.

-Uwe-

Spacewalker · Jan 27, 2015

Mk60 pump 1K0 614 517 AD (number from controller) is for 4WD platform and Shot Code. You need DuoSensor present, but I believe you have it already if you have 1T car.
That pump also support HillHold assistance (need proper DuoSensor)
You can also install 1K0 614 517 AB for 4WD and NO HHI.
Engine - look Mk5 , because you can match IMMO , and all other things with it .
If you use Mk4 engine, you might have CAN communication issue, because this is different platform.

This is what I will recommend you to look .
Cluster , Gateway, ABS etc ..... need to see Engine in a Gateway network

NZDubNurd · Jan 28, 2015

Thanks Spacewalker

I have access to the whole R32 2006 Golf. It's DSG though, and I only want manual! (I have a mk4 4motion 2.8 Golf 02M 6 speed). I don't know if that will cause me problems!

I think a good plan, is to get the engine and manual transmission in, THEN fit the 4wd later. Apparently the engine itself fits OK, because it's based on the same chassis, and it's been done in a caddy before.

I know the MK5 golf cluster doesn't fit quite right in the Touran dash, so it'd be nice to use the Touran one, but if it's too hard, I'll have to make the Golf one fit.

So I have the Golf R32 ECU: 022 906 032 CE Golf R32 DSG - maybe this can be used as is, or maybe can be reflashed as manual? I've seen a link to a TT3.2 trans change, and he purchased a manual ECU.

I have the A3 ABS pump/module: 1K0 907 379 E I know it does 4wd,but not sure if it's otherwise compatible. I have the A3 duosensor too - apparently the 4wd ones are different, but plug into the existing loom?

I can get the matching Cluster (and probably keys) from the same car, but not sure on Can gateway, ABS. There are two of them I have access to but not sure what parts are gone already.

Will it matter if they're DSG??? or if I have to change the ECU to a manual one????

Thanks heaps.

NZ - Touran wants an R32 engine

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