Seat Leon FR 2019 Adaptive Cruisecontol disable, start/stop disable

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We had here a Seat Leon from january 2019. We had the question to see if it is possible to make the adaptive cruisecontrol to act as a normal cruisecontrol. The driver is getting frustrated of the automatic adjusting of the speed and braking of the car.

Does anyone have a idea if it possible to change the coding / adaptions so the cruisecontrol does not adjusting the speed and brake anymore?

The start-stop system have we disabled on the same way as a Golf

Here is the Autoscan of the car

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 Wednesday,27,November,2019,07:21:12:57342
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 19.6.2.0 (x64)  HEX-NET CB: 0.4508.4
Data version: 20190930 DS308.0
www.Ross-Tech.com

Dealer/Shop Name: Brandsen
Workshop Code: 123 12345 012345

VIN: VSSZZZ5FZKR0xxxxx   License Plate: 
Mileage: 12658km-7865mi   Repair Order: 133262



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Chassis Type: 5F-SE37 (3Q0)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 10 13 15 16 17 19 42 44 47 4B 52 5F 69 A5 D6
          D7

VIN: VSSZZZ5FZKR019382   Mileage: 12658km-7865miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
13-Auto Dist. Reg -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
4B-Multifunc. Module -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
69-Trailer -- Status: OK 0000
A5-Frt Sens. Drv. Assist -- Status: OK 0000
D6-Light Ctrl Left 2 -- Status: OK 0000
D7-Light Ctrl Right 2 -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine (J623-DFFA)       Labels:. 04L-907-309-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 04L 906 026 NF    HW: 04L 907 309 P
   Component: R4 2.0l TDI   H25 6380  
   Revision: B4H25---    
   Coding: 01250012037401092000
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TDI01104L906026NF 004007
   ROD: EV_ECM20TDI01104L906026KM.rod
   VCID: 7BB60F42F23A9E97F2-802E

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0 

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Address 02: Auto Trans (J743)       Labels:. 0BH-927-711.clb
   Part No SW: 0GC 300 042 T    HW: 0GC 927 711 H
   Component: GSG DQ381     H06 2308  
   Revision: 00H06V07    
   Coding: 0014
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMDQ381061 001
   ROD: EV_TCMDQ381061_VW37.rod
   VCID: 373ED3728E927AF756-8062

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 5Q0-907-379-IPB-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 614 517 DE    HW: 5Q0 614 517 AD
   Component: ESC           H25 0524  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 62658000001856
   Coding: 20EE629224210975877A060860C52404462490E1600624733862F074C222430B00000012121212B835351919323200
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00224
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100IPB 037009
   ROD: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100IPB_037_VW41.rod
   VCID: 77BE1372CE12BAF796-8022

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels:| 5G0-907-044.clb
   Part No SW: 5F0 907 044 AL    HW: 5F0 907 044 AL
   Component: Climatronic   H05 1801  
   Revision: 00001K09    
   Coding: 00000114202114011105000000101020
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00224
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ACClimaBHBVW37X 006145
   ROD: EV_ACClimaBHBVW37X_006.rod
   VCID: 70AC286EAB7CEDCF57-8024

   Fresh Air Blower Front: 

   Geber für Kältemitteldruck/Kältemitteltemperatur: 

   Air quality sensor: 

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 5Q0-937-08X-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 937 084 DD    HW: 5Q0 937 084 CG
   Component: BCM MQBAB H   H38 0273  
   Serial number: 00001826701208
   Coding: 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00171
   ASAM Dataset: EV_BCMMQB 019001
   ROD: EV_BCMBOSCH_019_VW37.rod
   VCID: 7DB2015AEC2E90A7CC-8028

   Control Unit For Wiper Motor: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5F1 955 119 A    HW: 5F1 955 119   Labels: 5QX-955-119-V1.CLB
   Component: WWS370 180908  041 0574 
   Serial number:         180914105146
   Coding: 0BC5FD

   Rain Light Recognition Sensor: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 81A 955 555 A    HW: 81A 955 555 
   Component: G397_RLFSS  H06 0002 
   Serial number: 21862415X81A955555A0
   Coding: 00005D

   Sun Roof: 
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 591 D    HW: 6R0 959 591 D
   Component: J245 PS72.405  H04 0005 
   Serial number: 0000FST0025X4MU00000
   Coding: 180102

No fault code found.

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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels:| 5Q0-919-294.clb
   Part No SW: 5QA 919 294 C    HW: 5QA 919 294 
   Component: PDC 8 KanalH07 0050  
   Serial number: 000308418018239
   Coding: 0471051111
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_EPHVA18AU3700000 009039
   ROD: EV_EPHVA18AU3700000_009_VW37.rod
   VCID: 4CD49C9EE714E92F0B-8018

No fault code found.

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Address 13: Auto Dist. Reg (J428)       Labels:| 3Q0-907-572.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 907 572 P    HW: 5Q0 907 572 J
   Component: ACC BOSCH MQB H11 0682  
   Coding: 350067C95DFFC728949C814580400600000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ACCBOSCHVW416 002008
   ROD: EV_ACCBOSCHVW416_002_VW37.rod
   VCID: 44C4B4BECF44216FC3-8010

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5Q0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 3Q0 959 655 BH    HW: 3Q0 959 655 BH
   Component: Airbag VW21   006 0712  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 003W4PKR7MY2
   Coding: 98CCC000000000005C0000CC000800000065
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00224
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW21TS6VW48X 001014
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW21TS6VW48X.rod
   VCID: 054269BA84FED86794-8050

   Side Sensor Driver Front: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 001 909 18
   Component: SideSensor_Df  008 0887 
   Serial number: 35700000000DE054623J
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Side Sensor Passenger Front: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 001 409 18
   Component: SideSensor_Pf  008 0887 
   Serial number: 358000000002BA45023A
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Side Sensor Driver Rear: 
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 802 109 18
   Component: SideSensor_Dr  301 0148 
   Serial number: 3510060326416000000.
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Side Sensor Passenger Rear: 
   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 801 409 18
   Component: SideSensor_Pr  301 0148 
   Serial number: 35200A3A71616000000B
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Front Sensor Driver: 
   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 454 801 109 18
   Component: FrontSensor_D  304 0149 
   Serial number: 35500822E2616000000B
   Coding: 2D2D2D

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels:| 5Q0-953-549.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 953 507 HA    HW: 5Q0 953 549 E
   Component: Lenks. Modul  003 0140  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 29091804401455
   Coding: 6C10
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00224
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSKLOMQB 020002
   ROD: EV_SMLSKLOMQB_020_VW37.rod
   VCID: 7CB40C5EF73499AFFB-8028

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5G0-920-XXX-17.clb-SRI3
   Part No SW: 5F0 920 790 A    HW: 5F0 920 790 A
   Component: KOMBI         609 1693  
   Coding: 04A442086F840008018862031001000080000000
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00224
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBA0 001026
   ROD: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBA0_VW37.rod
   VCID: 271E03325E32EA77C6-8072

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:| 3Q0-907-530-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 3Q0 907 530 Q    HW: 3Q0 907 530 C
   Component: GW MQB High   439 4344  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 0008530340
   Coding: 030100F40F086A00EB0002581C0F00010001070000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00224
   ASAM Dataset: EV_GatewNF 013044
   ROD: EV_GatewNF.rod
   VCID: 3D32C15AACAE50A78C-8068

   Alternator: 

   Multi Function Steering Wheel Control Module: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5F0 959 537 D    HW: 5F0 959 537 D
   Component: E221__MFL-PR6  H04 0130 
   Serial number: 000000000G0059060818
   Coding: 012000

   Battery Monitoring Control Module: 
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 5Q0 915 181 J    HW: 5Q0 915 181 J
   Component: J367-BDMConti  H03 1050 
   Serial number: 75886002001809171370

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels:| 5QX-959-X93-42.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q4 959 593 M    HW: 5Q4 959 593 F
   Component: TSG FS        006 0247  
   Serial number: 0000345123196 
   Coding: 00140320DC00020000001000
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00171
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DCU2DriveSideMAXHCONT 001005
   ROD: EV_DCU2DriveSideMAXHCONT_VW37.rod
   VCID: 4FEE8B921602D2376E-801A

   Drivers Door Rear Control Module: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5Q0 959 811 E    HW: 5Q0 959 811 E  Labels: 5QX-959-81X-V1.CLB
   Component: FOND_FHSG_DRV  006 0007 
   Serial number: 00000000000023869621
   Coding: 310000

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist (J500)       Labels:| 5Q0-909-144.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 909 144 AB    HW: 5Q0 909 144 AA
   Component: EPS_MQB_ZFLS  131 1082  
   Coding: 911F0000
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00171
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SteerAssisMQB 015157
   ROD: EV_SteerAssisMQB_015.rod
   VCID: 74A4247EDF64D1EFB3-8020

No fault code found.

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Address 47: Sound System (J525)       Labels:| 5Q0-035-456.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 035 456 A    HW: 5Q0 035 456 A
   Component: MIB2_lite_amp H40 0200  
   Revision: 00000001    Serial number: VWZ8Z1JMD02PCDX
   Coding: 3300000000A0AF8A000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00171
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AMPMst11CGen2ALPI 001003
   ROD: EV_AMPMst11CGen2ALPI.rod
   VCID: 2E10F61671C8BB3F05-807A

No fault code found.

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Address 4B: Multifunc. Module (J745)       Labels:| 3Q0-907-338-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 3Q0 907 338 C    HW: 3Q0 907 338 C
   Component: FCM MQB Low   002 0342  
   Serial number: 16091811600760
   Coding: 000000070900094200000940000000000000000000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00224
   ASAM Dataset: EV_MultiModulContiVW48X 002004
   ROD: EV_MultiModulContiVW48X_002_VW41.rod
   VCID: 3522D97A949E88E744-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels:| 5QX-959-X92-52.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q4 959 592 M    HW: 5Q4 959 592 F
   Component: TSG BFS       006 0247  
   Serial number: 0000344576412 
   Coding: 00140120DE00020000001000
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00171
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DCU2PasseSideMAXHCONT 001005
   ROD: EV_DCU2PasseSideMAXHCONT_VW37.rod
   VCID: 4ED096961108DB3F65-801A

   Passengers Rear Door Control Module: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5Q0 959 812 E    HW: 5Q0 959 812 E  Labels: 5QX-959-81X-V1.CLB
   Component: FOND_FHSG_PSG  006 0007 
   Serial number: 00000000000023912208
   Coding: 290000

No fault code found.

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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:| 5F0-035-MIB-HGH2.clb
   Part No SW: 5F0 035 043 G    HW: 5F0 035 043 
   Component: MU-H-N-EU     H55 1338  
   Serial number: A679I0JS003511
   Coding: 04738001000000001111000200080A002F0101E4012004009E
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00224
   ASAM Dataset: EV_MUHig4CGen2HBAS 001001
   ROD: EV_MUHig4CGen2HBAS_AU37.rod
   VCID: 210A1D2A3016144788-8074

   Operating And Display Unit 1: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5F0 919 606     HW: 5F0 919 606 
   Component: ABTm-2_8-CR  H41 1042 
   Serial number: SEZ8Z9V6C053DT      

   Data medium: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: V03 959 802 CE    HW: -----------
   Component: ECE 2018/2019  --- 0169 
   Serial number: --------------------

   Compact Disc Database: 
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: V03 959 800 EG    HW: -----------
   Component: Gracenote2  --- 1017 
   Serial number: --------------------

No fault code found.

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Address 69: Trailer (J345)       Labels:| 5Q0-907-383.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 907 383 J    HW: 5Q0 907 383 B
   Component: Anheanger     H21 0204  
   Serial number: 00006789,)-''.
   Coding: 0100000202000000
   Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TrailFunctGener2Hella 001008
   ROD: EV_TrailFunctGener2Hella_VW26.rod
   VCID: 3E30C656A1A84BBF95-806A

No fault code found.

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Address A5: Frt Sens. Drv. Assist (R242)       Labels:| 3Q0-980-65X-A5.clb
   Part No SW: 3QD 980 654     HW: 3Q0 980 654 A
   Component: MQB_B_MFK     H09 1272  
   Serial number: 12081841P23114
   Coding: 0303070300000400002223448150A90098000E200020
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00171
   ASAM Dataset: EV_MFKBoschMQBB 001001
   ROD: EV_MFKBoschMQBB_001_SE37.rod
   VCID: 085C608EB3ECC50FEF-805C

No fault code found.

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Address D6: Light Ctrl Left 2 (A31)       Labels: 7P5-941-591.clb
   Part No SW: 7P5 941 591 AD    HW: 7P5 941 591 A
   Component: LED1L         H06 0005  
   ASAM Dataset: EV_LED_PLUS_L_KEBODAVW416 001003
   ROD: EV_LED_PLUS_L_KEBODAVW416_SE37.rod
   VCID: 7EB00656E1288BBFD5-802A

No fault code found.

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Address D7: Light Ctrl Right 2 (A27)       Labels: 7P5-941-591.clb
   Part No SW: 7P5 941 591 AD    HW: 7P5 941 591 A
   Component: LED1R         H06 0005  
   ASAM Dataset: EV_LED_PLUS_R_KEBODAVW416 001003
   ROD: EV_LED_PLUS_R_KEBODAVW416_SE37.rod
   VCID: 7EB00656E1288BBFD5-802A

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:37, VBatt start/end: 13.7V/13.5V)-----------
 
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Yes, in principle, it should be possible, but I expect it will be quite complicated, involving changes to quite a few modules.

Frankly, I cannot imagine someone preferring a standard, old-school cruise control to an adaptive one. My guess is that the driver has not learned to use the ACC properly, especially the control for the following distance, and the fact that he can easily prevent braking or slowing with a slight touch of the accelerator pedal.

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Frankly, I cannot imagine someone preferring a standard, old-school cruise control to an adaptive one. My guess is that the driver has not learned to use the ACC properly, especially the control for the following distance, and the fact that he can easily prevent braking or slowing with a slight touch of the accelerator pedal.
My previous car had "normal" cruise control and frankly I hardly ever used it, my current car has ACC and it use it almost every time I drive the car. ACC is just SOOOOO much more usable than CC I am at a loss to understand why anyone would want to revert from ACC to CC. The automatic control of speed to be able to follow other cars is to me what makes ACC so good.

Maybe worth asking the customer exactly what he thinks the problem is with ACC?
 
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My previous car had "normal" cruise control and frankly I hardly ever used it, my current car has ACC and it use it almost every time I drive the car. ACC is just SOOOOO much more usable than CC I am at a loss to understand why anyone would want to revert from ACC to CC. The automatic control of speed to be able to follow other cars is to me what makes ACC so good.

Maybe worth asking the customer exactly what he thinks the problem is with ACC?
The customer finds that the car brakes too early. He told us that he would prefer to have this switched off, because he can brake the car himself. The setting from the distance is already set to minimum.
We have deactivated the "predictive speed limit regulation" in the adaption, hoping that this might help a little bit
 
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The customer finds that the car brakes too early. He told us that he would prefer to have this switched off, because he can brake the car himself. The setting from the distance is already set to minimum.
We have deactivated the "predictive speed limit regulation" in the adaption, hoping that this might help a little bit
When I start to feel the car brake and I don't want it to, I apply a bit of accelerator pedal. This stops it from braking. The nice thing about this is that it automatically resumes being on cruise control when I release the accelerator. With a conventional cruise, if you manually brake, you must also manually resume the cruise.

Adaptive cruise is definitely something that takes some getting used to. It took me many hundreds of miles of highway driving before I was really comfortable with it, but once you learn its ways, a regular old-school cruise control system seems crude and primitive by comparison.

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The customer finds that the car brakes too early.
Brakes or eases off the gas?

I find that when you approach a slower car ACC will ease off the gas causing a small but noticeable deceleration earlier than I expect while quite a long distance away (a lot further than the following distance), so I just either take control of the gas pedal or if appropriate change lane early to overtake.

I find that ACC brakes later than I would when the car in front slows down, but I have always tried to drive smoothly by looking ahead and anticipating what the vehicle in front will do.
 
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Brakes or eases off the gas?

I find that when you approach a slower car ACC will ease off the gas causing a small but noticeable deceleration earlier than I expect while quite a long distance away (a lot further than the following distance), so I just either take control of the gas pedal or if appropriate change lane early to overtake.

I find that ACC brakes later than I would when the car in front slows down, but I have always tried to drive smoothly by looking ahead and anticipating what the vehicle in front will do.
Well, the customer has bought the car from us with a standard cruise control. Only this car has an adaptive cruise control. The seller told him that this could be turned off. Today we are going to see if we will succeed ...
 
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Well, the customer has bought the car from us with a standard cruise control. Only this car has an adaptive cruise control. The seller told him that this could be turned off. Today we are going to see if we will succeed ...
Funny customer :)

I will never go back to conventional cruise after getting used to ACC. It is very hard to imagine life without it :)
 
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You need to change the Coding in SMLS and ECU.
The Bits should by Named in VCDS.
Remove The Bit @ Adaptive Cruise, or so ...
Probably you have to Change the Stalk from ACC to CC, too. But i think it must work with the ACC Stalk, too.

Address 16: Steering wheel (J527) Labels:| 5Q0-953-549.clb
Part No SW: 5Q0 953 507 HA HW: 5Q0 953 549 E
Component: Lenks. Modul 003 0140
Revision: -------- Serial number: 29091804401455
Coding: 6C10
 
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I don't think it works. You need to change modules 01, 03, 17 and 5F at least. Also if the car has lane assist camera you would need to tell that the car has no ACC.

But the problem comes here. Both ACC and CC are under different FeC codes. Now the car has ACC activated and CC FeC not activated. Even you disable the bits for ACC, the CC will never work. It will flag an error.

So just tell your customer to face it and enjoy the ACC they got for free (presumably) and tell them to stop worrying.
 
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I don't think it works. You need to change modules 01, 03, 17 and 5F at least. Also if the car has lane assist camera you would need to tell that the car has no ACC.

But the problem comes here. Both ACC and CC are under different FeC codes. Now the car has ACC activated and CC FeC not activated. Even you disable the bits for ACC, the CC will never work. It will flag an error.

So just tell your customer to face it and enjoy the ACC they got for free (presumably) and tell them to stop worrying.
Hello Everyone,

After some few ours, we have tell our customer that it not is possible. He now will drive arround with the ACC

Thanks for all the help
 
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