Golf 7 Multifunction retrofit

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Hello Everyone,

I planned to retrofit steering wheel on my Golf MK7, which is maybe impossible. I bought MFSW, as well as different airbag harness with MF support, but it doesn't work.
No buttons light, nothing...

At the first, I thought I must code something in VCDS, but in Steering Wheel - 16 I can't find anything? (see attached). Basically there is nothing in VCDS about MFSW. I found just a few things under Infotainment, which didn't help.
Also, I read over internet about can gateway and the possibility of replacing my current low gateway with the high one which should support MF (not sure is that true). But it's a bit weird, since my current gateway supporting TV, NAV, etc...





At the end, I read somewhere I can't do that because I don't have "Maxi dot", just basic bord computer. So a lot of informations over internet, but nobody tried.

The only thing I can do, is to replace CAN gateway, except I am not sure is that going to help or not.

If anyone has similar experience, or maybe VCDS tips&tricks for my specific case, please let me know.

Code:
VCDS Version: Beta 14.8.1 (x64)
Data version: 20140905

Thursday,02,October,2014,21:29:06:17869

Chassis Type: AU (5Q0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 42 44 52 5F

VIN: WVWZZZAUZDW139432   Mileage: 30184km-18755miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
 
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Address 01: Engine (J623-CJZB)       Labels: 04E-907-309-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 04E 906 016 E    HW: 04E 907 309 A
   Component: 1.2l R4 TSI   H08 5542  
   Revision: WAH08---    
   Coding: 01110012232415082000
   Shop #: WSC 05026 000 1048576
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM12TFS01104E906016E 001009
   ROD: EV_ECM12TFS01104E906016H.rod
   VCID: 2447E9B62F9E321A9D-8071

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 5Q0-907-379.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 907 379 AC    HW: 5Q0 907 379 D
   Component: ESC           H75 0437  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number:               
   Coding: 01FA6AA120232A75037B060301C52580560454C06080A4F300280028C0
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100IPB 008020
   ROD: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100IPB_SE37.rod
   VCID: 7DF1FCD2ECB4A3D2B2-8028

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: 5G0-907-044.clb
   Part No SW: 5G0 907 044 Q    HW: 5G0 907 044 Q
   Component: Climatronic   H02 0503  
   Revision: 00001K06    
   Coding: 00020004200100011005004000101000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ACClimaBHBVW37X 002017
   ROD: EV_ACClimaBHBVW37X_VW37.rod
   VCID: 356124F29404BB923A-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: 5Q0-937-08X-MV1.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 937 084 N    HW: 5Q0 937 084 N
   Component: BCM MQBAB M   H14 0106  
   Serial number: 00011309401406
   Coding: 00000842C24100DB4FE44000000403081000000000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_BCMCONTI 010001
   ROD: EV_BCMBOSCH_SE37.rod
   VCID: 43854A2ACAD0152284-8016

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5G1 955 119 A    HW: 5G1 955 119 A
   Component: WWS    130329  042 0551 
   Serial number:         130402145957
   Coding: 0E4DD5

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8U0 955 559     HW: 8U0 955 559 
   Component: G355_FeuchteS  H07 0002 
   Serial number: 20332439            

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels: 5Q0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 959 655 C    HW: 5Q0 959 655 C
   Component: AirbagVW20    011 0361  
   Serial number: 003F5R040XNO
   Coding: 98CCC000000000005C0000CF004800000065
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW20SMEVW37X 002126
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW20SMEVW37X_VW37.rod
   VCID: 408F4526DBC60E3A99-8015

   Crash sensor for side airbag; driver side: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 002 803 13
   Component: SideSensor_Df  001 0887 
   Serial number: 35767000000096B0AC0X
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Crash sensor for side airbag; front passenger side: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 002 803 13
   Component: SideSensor_Pf  001 0887 
   Serial number: 358670000009651D1D0Y
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Crash sensor for side airbag; rear; driver side: 
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 402 703 13
   Component: SideSensor_Dr  001 6149 
   Serial number: 35165029F0FBDE4052BZ
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Crash sensor for side airbag; rear; passenger side: 
   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 402 703 13
   Component: SideSensor_Pr  001 6149 
   Serial number: 3526502AF0FBDE32E13 
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Crash sensor for front airbag; driver side: 
   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 402 603 13
   Component: FrontSensor_D  001 6149 
   Serial number: 3556502A50FBDE46417U
   Coding: 2D2D2D

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels: 5Q0-953-549.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 953 507 AB    HW: 5Q0 953 549 
   Component: Lenks. Modul  007 0070  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 29031308491698
   Coding: 9604
   Shop #: WSC 05026 000 1048576
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSKLOMQB 009001
   ROD: EV_SMLSKLOMQB_SE37.rod
   VCID: 76E3E3FEC982F08AF3-8023

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels: 5G0-920-XXX-17.clb
   Part No SW: 5G0 920 850     HW: 5G0 920 850 
   Component: KOMBI         136 0580  
   Coding: 07A502002380000800080800040000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB 008026
   ROD: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB_AU37.rod
   VCID: 64C7A9B66F1E721A5D-8031

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 5Q0 907 530 D    HW: 5Q0 907 530 D
   Component: GW MQB Low    123 1109  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 0000463362
   Coding: 030000042B086400EF000248080E00010001000000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 05026 000 1048576
   ASAM Dataset: EV_GatewLear 006010
   ROD: EV_GatewLear.rod
   VCID: 326B1FEE656AACAA1F-8067

   Alternator: 

   Battery Monitoring Control Module: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5Q0 915 181 C    HW: 5Q0 915 181 C
   Component: J367-BDMHella  H03 8042 
   Serial number: 6972830203          

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels: 5QX-959-X93-42.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 959 393 A    HW: 5Q0 959 393 
   Component: TSG FS        012 0006  
   Serial number: 16031302090982
   Coding: 003003208000040000001000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMINKLO 006003
   ROD: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMAXCONT.rod
   VCID: 3D713CD2AC3463D2F2-8068

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5Q4 959 811 A    HW: 5Q4 959 811 A
   Component: Fond FHSG DRV  007 0002 
   Serial number: 00000000000001069817
   Coding: 010000

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist (J500)       Labels: 5Q0-909-144.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 909 144 L    HW: 5Q0 909 144 L
   Component: EPS_MQB_ZFLS  119 1021  
   Coding: 01
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SteerAssisMQB 008022
   ROD: EV_SteerAssisMQB_SE37.rod
   VCID: 3D713CD2AC3463D2F2-8068

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels: 5QX-959-X92-52.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 959 392 A    HW: 5Q0 959 392 
   Component: TSG BFS       012 0006  
   Serial number: 13031304080124
   Coding: 003001208000040000801000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMINKLO 006003
   ROD: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMAXCONT.rod
   VCID: 3C7731D6B72E6ADAC5-8069

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5Q4 959 812 A    HW: 5Q4 959 812 A
   Component: Fond FHSG PSG  007 0002 
   Serial number: 00000000000001076345
   Coding: 090000

No fault code found.

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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 5G0 035 867     HW: 5G0 035 867 
   Component: MU-E--ER      615 5561  
   Serial number: 30011300010328
   Coding: 02730000FF0000004011000100000000000000040000010000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_MUEnt4CLGE 001025
   ROD: EV_MUEnt4CLGE_SK37.rod
   VCID: 69D9B882883C2F726E-803C

No fault code found.

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 02:50)--------------------------
Thanks, Milos
 
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did you check to see if your Steering Wheel Control Module supports MFSW and/or your Steering Column Module?? Part number 5Q0 953 507 AB could be a lowlife/midline which means you need to upgrade it to a Highline
 
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I think part number for the steering wheel module is 5Q0 953 549 and like I read it's supporting MF, Bord plus, CC, ACC, etc... 5Q0 953 507 AB should be just left/right lever. Maybe I am wrong

I am wonder why I can't enable MFSW in VCDS? It doesn't matter is it going to work or not, but it doesn't exist in VCDS.

I am pretty sure it's missing because of my instrument cluster, which is basic (5G0920850 part number) and it's related directly to MF steering wheel. 5G0920860 is Medium cluster and controled by MFSW (right buttons),
so I assume if I change instrument cluster, MF option in VCDS should come up inside Instrument modul, which is not right now.
 
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I think part number for the steering wheel module is 5Q0 953 549 and like I read it's supporting MF, Bord plus, CC, ACC, etc... 5Q0 953 507 AB should be just left/right lever. Maybe I am wrong

I am wonder why I can't enable MFSW in VCDS? It doesn't matter is it going to work or not, but it doesn't exist in VCDS.

I am pretty sure it's missing because of my instrument cluster, which is basic (5G0920850 part number) and it's related directly to MF steering wheel. 5G0920860 is Medium cluster and controled by MFSW (right buttons),
so I assume if I change instrument cluster, MF option in VCDS should come up inside Instrument modul, which is not right now.
http://uk-mkivs.net/topic/10129-how-to-multifunction-steering-wheel-mk5-golf-h/ this is how I based my swap. except my car doesnt have the column module. check the wiki http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/Steering_Wheel_Control_Module_Versions AB should be a midline if you notice the letters after the numbers.
 
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Appreciate your support and time.

Something is confusing me.

What is the difference between SW and HW numbers? I guess SW is software and HW is hardware:
Part No SW: 5Q0 953 507 AB HW: 5Q0 953 549

Am I looking for SW or HW? HW number should be slip ring which should support or not support all that?

Sorry if those are stupid questions, still trying to learn something new :)

I guess then I will need complete new set like on picture, since I have cruise control already:

 
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Don't know about HW and SW, but when ETKA-ing 5Q0 953 507 AB, it shows me this item is dropped and superseeded by multible parts and shows me:

A)steering column multi switch
B)Electronic module for steering. Col.combination switch
C)ignition starter switch
D)mounting plate for steering col.comb.switch
E)steering lock
 
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you will be looking at SW which is the Slip Ring/Clock Spring
 
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Thanks Guys.

I will look now to try to find parts which supports MFSW. I have ETKA, so hopefully that will help.
It's driving me crazy when they have couple of slight different numbers. When I tried to find airbag wiring harness with MF, there was 4 different numbers.

I will keep you updated

Thanks again
 
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Looking now in Etka, and it said 5Q0 953 507 AB is replaced by 5Q0 953 549 which is exactly number what I have in HW column.
And this is supposed to support MF.

 
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you don't need all that, notice that part number 5Q0953507AC is a high line clock spring. just find that part and you should be good to go, save yourself a couple of bucks
 
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one more thing, make sure you have high line cecm/bcm 5Q0 937 084 N i believe yours might be a lowline which doesn't support MFSW
 
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I think part number for the steering wheel module is 5Q0 953 549 and like I read it's supporting MF, Bord plus, CC, ACC, etc... 5Q0 953 507 AB should be just left/right lever. Maybe I am wrong

I am wonder why I can't enable MFSW in VCDS? It doesn't matter is it going to work or not, but it doesn't exist in VCDS.

I am pretty sure it's missing because of my instrument cluster, which is basic (5G0920850 part number) and it's related directly to MF steering wheel. 5G0920860 is Medium cluster and controled by MFSW (right buttons),
so I assume if I change instrument cluster, MF option in VCDS should come up inside Instrument modul, which is not right now.
milos: I don't know if the following information is useful to you, but I have a mk7 highline with a MFSW

The autoscan report for my car is here;
As you can see, the part number for my steering wheel controller isn't that different from yours (except for the last letter - yours ends with a "B", mine ends with an "E").
The part number of our Clusters is different (mine is 5G0 920 860) and my car has the BCM part number that jsantos70 has suggested (i.e. 5Q0 937 084 N )

As you are probably aware, the mk7 seems to have an abundance of adaptation channels (my Highline has a total of 3,201 of these). I have search through the adaptation channels on my car and I have found five hits on the term "Multi-Function Steering Wheel". All of them come from 19-CAN Gateway control module. The channel descriptors and their stored values are shown below

Adaptation ChannelStored Value
(1)-Multi_function_steering_wheel_control_module Coding Value-Tiptronicnot installed
(2)-Multi_function_steering_wheel_control_module Coding Value-Temp Sensornot installed
(3)-Multi_function_steering_wheel_control_module Coding Value-MuFu-variant_VWGRA-High
(4)-Multi_function_steering_wheel_control_module Coding Value-development_1 active
(5)-Multi_function_steering_wheel_control_module Coding Value-development_2not active

PS: You can find a full database of all the adaptation channels and their stored values for my Highline here
 
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Thanks Guys, this will help me a lot. If you look at my auto scan, you will see I have already 5Q0 937 084 N.

Except I will need to change a lot of things, but I don't care as I planned to do OPC parking later and a couple of other things.

PS I have those adaptation in VCDS, but they are not editable on my side. That is all I found.

Do you have anything about MF inside steering wheel module Long Coding helper?
Or maybe inside Centrl Electronic long coding?

Milos
 
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I noticed something in your auto scan.

Under gateway, you have this:

Multifunction unit control module:
Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5G0 959 442 J HW: 5G0 959 442 J
Component: E221__MFL-DC1 H13 0035
Serial number: 02120005290300060291
Coding: 280000

And I don't have that.

Browsing Etka, it's related to MF buttons.
 
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Do you have anything about MF inside steering wheel module Long Coding helper?
Or maybe inside Centrl Electronic long coding?

Milos
milos: I've posted a copy of the Long coding Helper screens from my Highline for the BCM here and for 16-steering wheel here. Click the "Download" tab at the top Right-Hand-Side of the screen and have a look.
 
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I noticed something in your auto scan.

Under gateway, you have this:

Multifunction unit control module:
Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5G0 959 442 J HW: 5G0 959 442 J
Component: E221__MFL-DC1 H13 0035
Serial number: 02120005290300060291
Coding: 280000

And I don't have that.

Browsing Etka, it's related to MF buttons.
Milos: Yes, but alas RT does not as yet have a Label file for address the 19- CAN gateway, so I can't tell you much about this control module. I assume that the 5 x adaptation channels that I posted-up related to this slave controller (just a guess)
 
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Thanks for sending screen shoots.

It's exactly same like on my side. And you are right about Labels, I can't see anything in CAN gateway and I am sure there is something about MFSW.
Maybe someone from Ross Tech can tell us what does bytes/bits means in CAN, since I can see it, but I am not sure the meaning of it.

It's ok if I need to replace some parts, but I don't want to buy anything if I can't code in VCDS, that's why I am looking about MF option in Long Coding helper.

For example in my previous Audi A4, I had MF option in VCDS, I could enable/disable even I didn't have all parts on place.
 
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Milos:Until the label file is populated, I guess that the only clue is the coding value from my slave module (i.e. 280000) and the default adaptation channels as previously posted. But there are lots more knowledgeable folk on here that might be able to provide better advice. Good luck!
 
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Yeah, I hope so someone will respond about can labels.

Until that, I am going to car to compare with your values and see is that going to help.

Will keep you updated Guys, thanks!
 
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Just came from the car, without much success.

I tried with your can gateway code, which is accepted by car, but that didn't help at all.
Then I rolled back to my original code.

At the end, I found something in Adaptation which you mentioned before.

Your car has this values:

(3)-Multi_function_steering_wheel_control_module Coding Value-MuFu-variant_VW GRA-High
(4)-Multi_function_steering_wheel_control_module Coding Value-development_1 active

And I am not able to add anything for this, it's just disabled so you can't add values, not sure why?
I know you have midline gateway and I have low one. So maybe those options are coming by default based on gateway version.

See attached.





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