Amarok V6 3.0 - 2018 Model - Disabling Stop/Start

RichardS · Dec 27, 2018

The Amarok is both the first VW and the first pickup I have ever owned and this is my first experience of VCDS (Christmas present from the family) and therefore my first post here, of course.

Using information from the internet, with slight variations, I have managed to activate the Alt Speed Dis option to remove the KPH display which UK buyers are afflicted with, and also to change the Comfort Turn Signal from 3 flashes to 5, although this option was found in Channel 43 of Central Electrics adaptation, as indicated in a yellow help pop-up, rather than the channel usually suggested online.

However, the Amarok has a stop/start function which drives me mad. It can be turned off each engine start with a button but I always forget until the first time it stops so I'd like to change the default to "stop/start" off or just disable it completely.

I've found various suggestions on the internet which involve finding a drop-down listing which says "Start/stop start voltage limit" but I don't seem to have any drop-down with that entry. In fact, in the place where that option is supposed to be found, 19 CAN Control Gateway / Adaptation 10, I only have one entry in the drop-down, something to do with Fatigue Alarm or similar. My controllers all seem to be CAN rather than UDS although I don't know if that is relevant.

I've also found online references to an adaptation of module 09-Central elect., channel 34 by adding or subtracting numbers from the number present by default. I can find this channel which has a default entry of 30 on my Amarok, so could add or subtract but I've no idea whether this is really the right place. I tried subtracting 4 and then pressed "Test" but nothing seemed to happen, although I'm not sure what should happen anyway.

I decided not to make any changes unless I can discover whether this is really the right place.

I also have a complete VCDS auto scan which I assume I need to add as an attachment to this post but, as I can't see how to attach at the moment, I will provide a link to it: https://www.dropbox.com/s/xf2pfdvzwoay65y/VW Fault Codes using Auto Scan.pdf?dl=0

Thanks, in advance, for any help.

Richard

Code:

Wednesday,26,December,2018,13:51:28:28075
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 18.9.0.4 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4437.4
Data version: 20181017 DS296.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WV1ZZZ2HZKH005968   License Plate: 


Chassis Type: 2H-VN81 (7E0)
Scan: 01 02 03 04 08 09 10 15 17 19 25 32 5F 61 65 69 0B

VIN: WV1ZZZ2HZKH005968   Mileage: 2030km-1261miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
32-Differential Locks -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
61-Battery Regul. -- Status: OK 0000
65-Tire Pressure -- Status: OK 0000
69-Trailer -- Status: OK 0000
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (J623-DDXE)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 2H6 907 311 K    HW: 059 907 309 J
   Component: 3.0l V6 TDI   H23 0002  
   Revision: 9AH23---    
   Coding: 012A4032233601030001
   Shop #: WSC 02776 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM30TDI0112H6907311K 001002
   ROD: EV_ECM30TDI0112H6907311K.rod
   VCID: 3038E6D56AA589372EB-8064

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0 

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Address 02: Auto Trans (J217)       Labels:| 0CM-325-025.clb
   Part No SW: 2H0 927 158 M    HW: 0DR 325 025 B
   Component: 0CM  30TDIRdW H22 1001  
   Revision: --H22---    
   Coding: 000001
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMAL450211 002011
   ROD: EV_TCMAL450211.rod
   VCID: 372ADDC98FCB5E0F6F1-8062

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 2H6 907 379 A    HW: 2H6 907 379 
   Component: ESC           H06 0310  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 62848000000643
   Coding: 207364B64994B69A04AB26A992586D85390000
   Shop #: WSC 02776 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1ESCCONTIVN817GP 008001
   ROD: EV_Brake1ESCCONTIVN817GP_008.rod
   VCID: 3430EAC59EBDB5174A3-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 04: Steering Angle (G085)       Labels:* 6R0-959-654.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 959 654     HW: 6R0 959 654 
   Component: LENKW.SENSOR  H07 0070  
   Serial number: 05101813470993
   Coding: 01
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_LWSKLOVW25X 005001
   ROD: EV_LWSKLOVW25X.rod
   VCID: 7EA408EDE071AF47EC7-802A

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels:| 7E5-907-040.clb
   Part No SW: 2H6 907 040 B    HW: 2H6 907 040 B
   Component: ClimatronicT5 H04 0613  
   Revision: 00001K05    
   Coding: 0000000003
   Shop #: WSC 02776 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ClimatronicT5 A01003
   ROD: EV_ClimaAutoT5Basis.rod
   VCID: 2614008D5861D787C47-8072

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 7E0-937-BCM-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 7E0 937 089 C    HW: 7E0 937 089 C
   Component: BCM PQ25 MMI4 H82 0762  
   Revision: BB082001    Serial number: 8701 289180738
   Coding: 240002380C61140093380F316CCB86D4B280654F60CE7160310000030803
   Shop #: WSC 66305 512 1451434
   VCID: 3332E9D99B33B22F539-8066

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 5K7 955 559 C  Labels: 5K7-955-559.CLB
   Component: RLS 051018 05  50  0106 
   Coding: 0228DD

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 EJ    HW: 6R0 959 802 EJ  Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB
   Component: J386__TSG_FT  023 2332 
   Serial number: 12102844180919142031
   Coding: 000000

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 EF    HW: 6R0 959 801 EF  Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB
   Component: J387__TSG_BT  023 2332 
   Serial number: 13202847180919074545
   Coding: 000000

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 5C0 951 171 
   Component: Sensor, DWA 0  005 0502 
   Coding: 000000

   Subsystem 5 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 F
   Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H01 0009 
   Coding: 000000

   Subsystem 6 - Part No: 5C0 951 171 
   Component: Sensor, DWA 0  005 0502 
   Coding: 000000

   Subsystem 7 - Part No SW: 2H0 959 442     HW: 2H0 959 442   Labels: 3C8-959-537.CLB
   Component: E221__MFL-DC1  H02 0103 
   Serial number: 39180001911110078395
   Coding: A4FFFF

   Subsystem 8 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 811 P    HW: 6R0 959 811 P
   Component: J388__TSG_HL  022 1334 
   Serial number: 12102709180919171512
   Coding: 000000

   Subsystem 9 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 812 P    HW: 6R0 959 812 P
   Component: J389__TSG_HR  022 1334 
   Serial number: 12102708180919105908
   Coding: 000000

No fault code found.

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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels:| 7E0-919-475.clb
   Part No SW: 7E0 919 475 AA    HW: 7N0 919 475 
   Component: PARKHILFE 8K  H06 0212  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 28231825102314
   Coding: 31810E
   Shop #: WSC 02776 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_VW75XParkAssis8K 001012
   ROD: EV_VW75XParkAssis8K_001_VN75.rod
   VCID: 71BE23D1A12FC03F615-8024

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 2K5 959 655 D    HW: 2K5 959 655 D
   Component: VW10Airbag01S 010 0018  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 003EL003S6RG
   Coding: 000000000000000000000000000000003153
   Shop #: WSC 02774 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW12X 001028
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVN750_VW12.rod
   VCID: 3D26CFE1ADF7745FB5D-8068

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 3495RRB40045E1GUBPL2

   Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 3505RRB40555L22OHGMT

   Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 3555YRB405T5L22K71O 

   Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 3565YRB405T5L22K61KY

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 2H6 920 983 A    HW: 2H6 920 983 A
   Component: KOMBI         H02 2030  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 431E000300
   Shop #: WSC 02776 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A05736
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_005_VW25.rod
   VCID: 3038E6D56AA589372EB-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 7E0-909-901.clb
   Part No SW: 7E0 909 901     HW: 7E0 937 089 C
   Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 H82 0762  
   Revision: BB082001    
   Coding: 742303
   Shop #: WSC 66305 512 1451434
   VCID: 68884EB5927501F736B-803C

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234 
   Component: IMMO          H02 2030  
   Serial number:               
   Coding: 000002
   Shop #: WSC 02776 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03710
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09.rod
   VCID: 6A8C34BD8CF933E720F-803E

No fault code found.

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Address 32: Differential Locks (J647)       Labels:* 2H0-927-771.clb
   Part No SW: 2H0 927 771 B    HW: 2H0 927 771 
   Component: Quersperre    H04 0018  
   Revision: 11001001    Serial number: 4DG 04.09.18 00
   Coding: 000001
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_QuersUDSAAMVN817 002001
   ROD: EV_QuersUDSAAMVN817.rod
   VCID: 2D06FFA17D97E4DF05D-8078

No fault code found.

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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:| 5G0-035-MIB-STD2.clb
   Part No SW: 5C0 035 680 G    HW: 5C0 035 680 G
   Component: MU-S-ND-ER    H41 0472  
   Serial number: VWZAZ2U1612708
   Coding: 06180701BE00000011111101008808001F0100D6002001004F
   Shop #: WSC 02774 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_MUStd4CTSAT 001022
   ROD: EV_MUStd4CTSAT_VW36.rod
   VCID: 251607812567DC9FCDD-8070

   Data medium: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5NA 919 866     HW: -----------
   Component: ECE1 2018/19  --- 1030 
   Serial number: --------------------

No fault code found.

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Address 61: Battery Regul. (J840)       Labels:. 1K0-907-534.clb
   Part No SW: 7E0 907 534     HW: 7E0 937 089 C
   Component: Batt.regelung H82 0762  
   Serial number: 8701 289180738
   Coding: 330B18AF
   Shop #: WSC 02776 790 00000
   VCID: 68884EB5927501F736B-803C

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 2H6 915 181     HW: 2H6 915 181 
   Component: J367-BDMConti  H03 1050 
   Serial number: 74975408001810030347

No fault code found.

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Address 65: Tire Pressure (J502)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 2H6 907 273     HW: 5Q0 907 273 
   Component: RDKBERU30     H04 0003  
   Serial number: 40000000031077
   ASAM Dataset: EV_RDKBERU30 006003
   ROD: EV_RDKBERU30_006_VW48.rod
   VCID: 6C8032A5860D2DD7523-8038

No fault code found.

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Address 69: Trailer (J345)       Labels:. 1K0-907-383-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 383 F    HW: 1K0 907 383 F
   Component: Anhaenger     H12 0100  
   Revision: 3A001001    Serial number: 00000492663969
   Coding: 010D000100000000
   Shop #: WSC 02776 790 00000
   VCID: 3038E6D56A2589372EB-8064

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 02:13, VBatt start/end: 12.1V/12.1V)-----------

Uwe · Dec 27, 2018

Hi and welcome to our forum.

I don't know the Amarok well enough to offer any suggestions on the start/stop question.

However, I need to make an "Admin Request": Please don't use the PRINT function in VCDS to post scans or other data here; the formatting it produces is good for a sheet-fed printer but is quite hard to read here. Please just copy & paste the original, plain text that VCDS produces when you use the COPY or SAVE functions.

-Uwe-

RichardS · Dec 27, 2018

Uwe said:
Hi and welcome to our forum.

I don't know the Amarok well enough to offer any suggestions on the start/stop question.

However, I need to make an "Admin Request": Please don't use the PRINT function in VCDS to post scans or other data here; the formatting it produces is good for a sheet-fed printer but is quite hard to read here. Please just copy & paste the original, plain text that VCDS produces when you use the COPY or SAVE functions.

-Uwe-

Sorry about that. I can see the problem now so I've reformatted the auto scan and re-posted it above.

It's much better, I hope.

Richard

golfi_vend · Dec 27, 2018

RichardS said:
Sorry about that. I can see the problem now so I've reformatted the auto scan and re-posted it above.

It's much better, I hope.

Richard

Better, but somehow spaces and whitespace is still lost.

RichardS · Dec 27, 2018

golfi_vend said:
Better, but somehow spaces and whitespace is still lost.

OK .... tried again.

Richard

Uwe · Dec 27, 2018

RichardS said:
OK .... tried again.

It's pretty legible now. :thumbs:

Pro-Tip: If you've done an Auto-Scan, even if you didn't explicitly save it in its native text format, VCDS did so surreptitiously in its Scans sub-folder. :cool:

-Uwe-

RichardS · Dec 28, 2018

Uwe said:
It's pretty legible now.

Pro-Tip: If you've done an Auto-Scan, even if you didn't explicitly save it in its native text format, VCDS did so surreptitiously in its Scans sub-folder.

-Uwe-

Now that's a great tip Uwe, many thanks.

I've now inserted the genuine article into my OP.

Richard

darkchina811 · Dec 28, 2018

go on the bay and buy the interface that will "press" your S&S button every time you switch the ignition on. that's the cleanest way to get rid of it.

RichardS · Dec 31, 2018

I'm still playing around with VCDS and trying to understand things better.

I stumbled upon this today:

I don't have the option listed to disable stop/start using the HVAC temperature parameters often mentioned on the web but this option looks as if it might have a similar effect. However, the language leaves me confused so I haven't tried it yet.

If I select it I will change "stop release for stop-start function" from "according to function requirements" to "always" .... but what does "always stop release" mean in plain English, I wonder? If "release" means "operation" then it might work providing it doesn't reset every engine start like some of the stop/start options do.

Has anyone tried this option?

Richard

OK, I've tried the "Always" setting and the good news is that the control module the remembers the setting but the bad news is that it doesn't disable stop/start. I don't know what it does .... maybe it sets stop/start so that it always engages without checking the HVAC function requirements .... but, either way, it's not what I'm hoping for.

BavarianCare · Jan 3, 2019

Try this...
---

VAG Stop/Start Adaption – 2018.08.23
1. 09-Central Electrics
2. Security Access (16) – 20113
3. Adaption 10
4. Channel 34
Values:
4: Standard, Default ON, light when off
-4 Default OFF, light when off
+32 Default LAST USED SETTING, light when off
+64 Reverses warning indicator, light when on

RichardS · Jan 3, 2019

BavarianCare said:
Try this...
---

VAG Stop/Start Adaption – 2018.08.23
1. 09-Central Electrics
2. Security Access (16) – 20113
3. Adaption 10
4. Channel 34
Values:
4: Standard, Default ON, light when off
-4 Default OFF, light when off
+32 Default LAST USED SETTING, light when off
+64 Reverses warning indicator, light when on

I've tried something like that Audi process (I believe that my engine was used in Audis) although I didn't go through Security Access / 20113. Does this mean that my way would never have worked?

What I did was go straight from 09-Cent. Elect. to Adaptation 10 and then select Channel 34. I took the following screenshot:

8%20Central%20Electrics%20Channel%2034%20Undocumented.png

My value in Channel 34 is currently stored as 30, so I increased it to 94 and then clicked "Test". I hoped that at this point the yellow light on the Stop/start switch would come on to indicate that its operation has been reversed but nothing happened, so I exited out without Saving in case I was going to mess something up.

I might have got that wrong and perhaps that's not how the "Test" function would operate in this circumstance?

Also, I wasn't sure whether I was supposed to add 64 or change the value to 64, so I "Tested" both but neither did anything.

Any advice you could give me would be most welcome.

Many thanks

Richard

BavarianCare · Jan 3, 2019

You need to login

RichardS · Jan 3, 2019

BavarianCare said:
You need to login

I see. I'm learning all the time. I'll try again tomorrow and report back.

Thanks again.

Richard

RichardS · Jan 8, 2019

BavarianCare said:
You need to login

I finally had time today to try and login to 09-Central Electrics / 16-Security Access using 20113 but this is all that happens:

09%20Cent%20Elect%20Security%20Access%20Error.png

I don't seem to get locked out or anything bad .... just the error message and then I back out to the start.

This is the full list of documented adaptations in Cent Electrics. There's nothing about Start/Stop in there so presumably Channel 34, if it has anything to do with Stop/Start, is undocumented. There is a value of 30 in Channel 34 so presumably it does something but we just don't know what?

I'd be happy to try any further ideas.

Richard

NEtech · Jan 8, 2019

RichardS said:
I finally had time today to try and login to 09-Central Electrics / 16-Security Access using 20113 but this is all that happens:

The procedure from BavarianCare, is not for your controller!
So that login is not used here.

Channel 34 in your 09-Central Electrics, is some turning light angle.

RichardS · Jan 8, 2019

NEtech said:
The procedure from BavarianCare, is not for your controller!
So that login is not used here.

Channel 34 in your 09-Central Electrics, is some turning light angle.

I see. Thank you. Maybe it's the "Cornering Fog Lights" which come on when the steering wheel is turned more than a certain angle.

I wonder why that option does not appear in the drop-down list with the other documented adaptations? Having said that, I don't really understand what most of this VCDS stuff means anyway.

Do you know if there is a channel which relates to Start/Stop?

Richard

PS I think my Amarok is actually a 2019 model year if that makes any difference.

RichardS · Jan 15, 2019

I've been trying to explore VCDS and my Amarok 2H and gain more understanding of these coding bytes and bits and, with the help of a binary - hex calculator, it's beginning to make more sense.

This is where I think I have got to now but I'd be grateful if someone could advise me whether I've grasped the basics.

Firstly, my 2H truck scan includes the following:

09 Cent Elect (J519)
Component: BCM PQ25 MMI4 H82 0762
Coding: 240002380C63140093380F316CCB96D4B280654F60CE7160310000030803 (30 bytes)

I think I am right in saying that the Amarok is therefore built on the PQ25 platform and will be similar, in terms of VCDS tweaks, to other PQ25 vehicles.

The second controller which seems to be often mentioned in the context of start-stop is the CAN Gateway. My scan shows:

19: CAN Gateway (J533)
Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 H82 0762
Coding: 742303 (3 bytes)

I have looked at other scans on this forum which include 09 Cent Elect (J519) Component: BCM PQ25 and they all seem to have 30 bytes in this module although with different bits, of course. These scans also seem to show 19: CAN Gateway (J533) Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 and they also seem to have only 3 bytes in use.

Am I therefore correct that if I could find an example of a car which has a Cent Elect (J519) BCM PQ25 and a CAN Gateway (J533) GW-K-CAN TP20 where start-stop has been modified by changing bits in Cent Elec or CAN Gateway, then I would be able to do the same .... or is it even more complicated than that?

From my searches so far, it does appear, as mentioned above, that there is no known way to modify start-stop with these two particular controllers but, if my logic above is correct, at least I know what I'm looking for.

Many thanks for any help.

Richard

Amarok_2019 · Apr 24, 2024

Hi Richard!
How did it go for you were you able to disconnect the start/stop function?
I have a Amarok V6 190 kW 2019 and have tried to find how to do this.
I have original Ross-tech tools and SW.
Thanks in advance
Kaj

AINils · Apr 24, 2024

In 2019 Aamrok BCM it won't work anymore, but in Controller 61 -> Adaption -> Channel 13 it should be possible

1SVK1 · Apr 24, 2024

amarok 61-battery regulation, go to adaptation select item Start/Stop stored value 10 new value 3D

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