2.0 TDI CR engine CFHF - sometimes only failing to start when hot

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Can anybody help with engine 2.0 TDI CR (engine code CFHF) intermittent P0016 fault code?

I observe an interesting problem on my engine.

Engine cranks reliable when engine is cold. When I arrive home the engine is hot after any journey, I switch the engine off. When I want to start the engine again in a while after couple of minutes, engine cranks, but it stops itself immediately.

Then the specific fault code appears, see below. This story occurs just only when engine is hot and only sometimes. For example ten times no problem to crank hot engine, then eleventh attempt fails.

Cam belt was exchanged by authorized dealer two years ago.
Otherwise everything works fine when car is running, fuel consumption is pretty low as expected, idle consumption is 0,4l/hour as expected, power is very good and unchanged, no other problems appear.

Just only small suspicion, the measured value IDE00182 - Camshaft adaptation intake bank 1: phase position is between -2,5° … -3,0° what can be (?) slightly less then expectable.

Anyway, engine runs very very well, the fault code never appears when engine runs, but just after hot unsuccessful ignition.



1 Fault Found: 4096 - Bank 1: CMP Sensor (G40) / Engine Speed Sensor (G28)

P0016 00 [036] - Incorrect Correlation

Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear

Freeze Frame:

Fault Status: 00000001

Fault Priority: 2

Fault Frequency: 1

Mileage: 207299 km

Date: 2021.02.23

Time: 15:53:14



Engine RPM: 923.00 /min

Normed load value: 9.0 %

Vehicle speed: 0 km/h

Coolant temperature: 88 °C

Intake air temperature: 25 °C

Ambient air pressure: 990 mbar

Voltage terminal 30: 11.840 V

Unlearning counter according OBD: 40

Engine start: start synchronization: EPM_MODE_VERIFY

Engine start: start synchronization-Test_Program_Epm st Op Mode State t UBYTE: 33



Any idea what the last line of the failure description means? Any start synchronization test did not go correctly when hot?

It smels like any thermic dependent problem (?)
Many, many thanks for any experience, hint, recommendation ...

Mike
 
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There is my Autoscan:

Code:
Tuesday,23,February,2021,15:55:43:00929
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 20.12.0.1 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4529.4
Data version: 20201125 DS322.1
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: TMBHN61Z2D2026534   License Plate:
Mileage: 207290km-128804mi   Repair Order: 2



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Chassis Type: 1Z-SK35 (7N0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 52 56 69

VIN: TMBHN61Z2D2026534   Mileage: 207290km-128804miles

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
69-Trailer -- Status: OK 0000
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (J623-CFHA)       Labels:. 03L-906-018-CFF.clb
   Part No SW: 03L 906 018 NR    HW: 03L 906 018 BR
   Component: R4 2,0L EDC   H25 0970 
   Revision: 42H25---    Serial number:              
   Coding: 00190012042400080000
   Shop #: WSC 73430 031 00090
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TDI01103L906018NR 003002
   ROD: EV_ECM20TDI01103L906018MT.rod
   VCID: 074A6559CFAD0E23328-8052

1 Fault Found:
4096 - Bank 1: CMP Sensor (G40) / Engine Speed Sensor (G28)
          P0016 00 [036] - Incorrect Correlation
          Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 207299 km
                    Date: 2021.02.23
                    Time: 15:53:14

                    Engine RPM: 923.00 /min
                    Normed load value: 9.0 %
                    Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
                    Coolant temperature: 88 °C
                    Intake air temperature: 25 °C
                    Ambient air pressure: 990 mbar
                    Voltage terminal 30: 11.840 V
                    Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
                    Engine start: start synchronization: EPM_MODE_VERIFY
                    Engine start: start synchronization-Test_Program_Epm st Op Mode State t UBYTE: 33

Readiness: 0 0 0 0 1

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 BK    HW: 1K0 907 379 BK
   Component: ESP MK60EC1   H31 0152 
   Revision: 00H31001   
   Coding: 113B401C09240000881002E7901D0042300000
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00090
   VCID: 7CA00AB586EB5DFB2FA-8028

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels:| 5K0-907-044.clb
   Part No SW: 3T0 907 044 BR    HW: 3T0 907 044 BR
   Component: Climatronic   H19 0606 
   Revision: 00001007   
   Coding: 0010000002
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00090
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Climatronic A01010
   ROD: EV_ClimaAutoBasis_SK35.rod
   VCID: 03527149FB9522036E0-8056

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 1K0-937-08x-09.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 937 087 AE    HW: 1K0 937 087 AE
   Component: BCM PQ35  H+  111 0709 
   Revision: AB111709   
   Coding: 40000AB8A005089040100080110001E4430000AE524D81605C8440000040
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00090
   VCID: 74B02295AEBB15BB67A-8020

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1Z1 955 119 D  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer 19061  26  0601
   Coding: 00D7B7

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 T    HW: 1K0 909 605 T
   Component: Q6 AIRBAG VW8   020 2300 
   Revision: 05020000    Serial number: 0038PD2X4TJ7 
   Coding: 0020790
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00090
   VCID: 3D26C7B1D17194F3584-8068

   Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332MSME6D152B15F

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342MSME6E730A3DS

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6351HSME2D436C2BK

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6361HSME2D4421712

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels:| 5K0-953-569.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 507 BA    HW: 5K0 953 549 C
   Component: Lenks.Modul   008 0080 
   Revision: --------    Serial number:  90440LFL00054
   Coding: 5080140000
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00090
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSNGKUDS A05001
   ROD: EV_SMLSNGKUDS_A05.rod
   VCID: 70B82E85DA23299B832-8024

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 1Z0 920 803 S    HW: 1Z0 920 803 S
   Component: KOMBI         H06 0608 
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 110A00
   Shop #: WSC 73430 031 00090
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04114
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_SK35.rod
   VCID: 44D0B255BE1BE53B17A-8010

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 7N0-907-530-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 7N0 907 530 R    HW: 7N0 907 530 H
   Component: J533  Gateway H42 1632 
   Revision:   H42       Serial number: 120612F1003008
   Coding: 352302
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00090
   VCID: 3FDABDB9D77D86E34A8-806A

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234
   Component: IMMO          H06 0608 
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03009
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_VW32.rod
   VCID: 6A8C3CEDFCFFD34BCD6-803E

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels:. 1K0-959-701-MIN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1T0 959 701 T    HW: 1T0 959 701 T
   Component: Tuer-SG         009 2119 
   Coding: 0000116
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00090
   VCID: 48C8A6658EB3C15BFB2-801C

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1K0-909-14x-GEN3.clb
   Part No: 1K0 909 144 P
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 69     3305 
   Revision: 00H22000   
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00090
   VCID: 372AD599F34DBEA3828-8062

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels:. 1K0-959-702-MIN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1T0 959 702 R    HW: 1T0 959 702 R
   Component: Tuer-SG         009 2119 
   Coding: 0000116
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00090
   VCID: 47CAA55983ADCE23F28-8012

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels:. 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb
   Part No SW: 1Z0 035 161 M    HW: 1Z0 035 161 M
   Component: Radio-SWING   002 0003 
   Revision: -----04S    Serial number: SKZ4Z2M1279514
   Coding: 050004000001
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00090
   VCID: 3828D6A5F253B1DB8B2-806C

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 69: Trailer (J345)       Labels:. 1K0-907-383-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 383 F    HW: 1K0 907 383 F
   Component: Anhaenger     H09 0100 
   Revision: 3A001001    Serial number: 00008030169861
   Coding: 0100000100000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 3038EE851A23699BC32-8064

No fault code found.

End----(Elapsed Time: 00:42, VBatt start/end: 13.9V/13.9V. VIgn 0.0V)------
 
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Old post, but did you find out anything? I got the same problem.
 
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Old post, but did you find out anything? I got the same problem.

Start a new thread with an AUTOSCAN !!

And Yes !! it can be fixed !
 
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Old post, but did you find out anything? I got the same problem.
Yes, I did! In the meantime I read a lot of recommendation on web which did not help me at all. Finally I decided to ask my repairing authorized dealer for fine tuning of the camshaft synchro. They unlocked the belt wheel and very slightly moved it into better position and locked it back again. And ... BINGO! ... no problem from that time. My conclusion is that it is not enoug just to block whell positions when you are changing new belt, but it is importatnt to crosscheck the sychno by using VCDS (or other diag) on running engine whether the value is still in good range, or not. If not, it is goood to fine re-tune it again. Cheers, Mike
 
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