VCDS Ver:19.6.1 vs ODIS VW (VAS 6154) on Fault Code: 28269-Gear Selector-VW Golf '18

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Here it is my first Post that is bringing VCDS vs ODIS on a Fault Code 28269 - Gear Selector - in my new VW Golf Sportwagen 2018.

Here are some details:
- Purchased New in June 2018
- Never scanned my New VW until now....do not ask me why. Probably, I was scared to see something.... und I never escaped my fear!
- The VW Dealer software tool ODIS does not see the Fault Code 28269. Therefore they won't fix it.
- VW Dealer complaints: "The Fault Code is incomplete" + "Ask Ross-Tech why it is showing" .
- Instrument Malfunction w/Fault Code. VW tech said it was a miscommunication and is not that important...but still needs to be fix/cleared.

Hope you guys have experienced a similar issue and know how I can solve it with the VW.

VW w/ODIS result:

Code:
8/9/2019 Diagnostic Log
https://www.vwhub.com/gffjct/gffPaperless/
Offboard Diagnostic
Information System
Diagnostic Log(Long) 07.08.2019 15:18
XML_to_HTML_Main.xsl Version: 5.60.0 from 25.04.2018
General Information
RO Number: --- Log type: Guided Fault Finding
Log
status: Temporary log
Workshop information Diagnostic tester serial number: de5be967c0188e1242b39b0f183ca02b
Hardware platform: STD PC (DellInc. / Inspiron15-3567)
Operating system: Windows 10
VCI type: VAS 6154 (5171535)
VCI connection type: Wi-Fi (infrastructure)
Communication path: CAN/K line
Importer number: 444
Dealer/facility number: 
Facility ID: 
(manual specification)
Contract status: Authorized dealer

Address: 0002 System name: 02 - 6-speed automatic transmission 09G Log versions: UDS/ISOTP (Results: 0)
Data source: Vehicle
Hardware part number: 09G927158
Part number: 09G927158AR
Hardware version number: 202
Software version number: 3198
Production date: 22.12.2017
Coding: 01 02 00 00 0C 00 00 00 0
0 00 00 00 00 00 00 [...]
Coding: 010200000C000000000000000
000000000000000
Ability to flash: Unknown
System name: AISIN AG6 G3
ASAM base version: BV_TransContrModulUDS
ASAM 2D/ODX data set: EV_TCMAQ250031
ASAM 2D/ODX data set
version: 002009
ASAM/ODX control module
version being used: EV_TCMAQ250031_002
Equipment code: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
System abbreviation: J217

Now full VCDS :vc results:

Code:
Thursday,08,August,2019,16:43:36:00711
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 19.6.1.0 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4508.4
Data version: 20190529 DS308.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: 3VWD17AUXJMXXXXX   License Plate: 
Mileage: 23633km-14684mi   Repair Order: 


Chassis Type: AU-VW37 (3Q0)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 42 44 52 5F

VIN: 3VWD17AUXJMXXXXX   Mileage: 23633km-14684miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: Malfunction 0010
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine (J623-CXBB)       Labels:. 06K-907-425-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 8V0 906 264 K    HW: 06K 907 425 B
   Component: 1.8l R4 TFSI  H13 0003  
   Revision: --H13---    
   Coding: 091A00122424002F0000
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00072
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM18TFS0208V0906264K 001004
   ROD: EV_ECM18TFS0208V0906264K.rod
   VCID: 44D1B0585E1BF357AE1-8010

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 02: Auto Trans (J217)       Labels: 09G-927-749-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 09G 927 158 AR    HW: 09G 927 158 
   Component: AISIN AG6 G3  202 3198  
   Coding: 010200000C000000000000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00072
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMAQ250031 002009
   ROD: EV_TCMAQ250031_002_VW37.rod
   VCID: 035373441B95346FD7B-8056

1 Fault Found:
28269 - Gear Selector 
          P17C5 00 [096] - Implausible Signal
          Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:* 5Q0-907-379-ESP-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 614 517 CS    HW: 5Q0 614 517 AF
   Component: ESC           H62 0973  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 50288000000149
   Coding: 04FA6AA12426097040790206A0C72920562490024005943400405050C002430B00000012121212B835351919323200
   Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100ESP 037009
   ROD: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100ESP_037_VW37.rod
   VCID: 045170581E9B3357EE1-8050

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J301)       Labels:| 5G0-907-426.clb
   Part No SW: 5GM 907 426 F    HW: 5GM 907 426 F
   Component: AC Manuell    H03 2001  
   Revision: 00001K05    
   Coding: 02020004200110000000000000000002
   Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ACManueBHBVW37X 004134
   ROD: EV_ACManueBHBVW37X_004.rod
   VCID: 4BC39B6473453C2F6FB-801E

   Fresh Air Blower Front: 

   Geber für Kältemitteldruck/Kältemitteltemperatur: 

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 5Q0 937 087 AQ    HW: 5Q0 937 087 AM
   Component: BCM PQ37BOSCH 034 0246  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: C86419021802KT
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00395
   ASAM Dataset: EV_BodyContrModul1UDSBosc 018001
   ROD: EV_BCMBOSCH_018.rod
   VCID: 0A4D5E603CBF652794D-805E

   Control Unit For Wiper Motor: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5G1 955 119 A    HW: 5G1 955 119   Labels: 5QX-955-119-V1.CLB
   Component: WWS    171229  043 0551 
   Serial number: 97022066180105130432
   Coding: 0E4DDD

   Rain Light Recognition Sensor: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5Q0 955 559 B    HW: 5Q0 955 559 B  Labels: 5Q0-955-547.CLB
   Component: RLS  047 0105 
   Serial number: S2Y18M02D19H22M14S03
   Coding: 00A8DD

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5Q0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 959 655 J    HW: 5Q0 959 655 J
   Component: AirbagVW20    010 0830  
   Serial number: 003GCR091U0C
   Coding: 8CCCFC00000000005000001AC24800000065
   Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW20SMEVW37X 002144
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW20SMEVW37X.rod
   VCID: 47CBA7546F2DD84F4B3-8012

   Occupant Detection: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 4M0 959 339 B    HW: 4M0 959 339 B
   Component: BF-Gewichtss.  H13 0022 
   Serial number: IBH000000000008HZ55U
   Coding: 303133

   Side Sensor Driver Front: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 001 301 18
   Component: SideSensor_Df  001 0887 
   Serial number: 35700000000C3A6CBA2 
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Side Sensor Passenger Front: 
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 001 301 18
   Component: SideSensor_Pf  001 0887 
   Serial number: 3580000000044A6CBA2W
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Side Sensor Driver Rear: 
   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 401 901 18
   Component: SideSensor_Dr  000 6149 
   Serial number: 35100019D288860543A0
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Side Sensor Passenger Rear: 
   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 402 012 17
   Component: SideSensor_Pr  000 6149 
   Serial number: 3520001C728CC3D20501
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Front Sensor Driver: 
   Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 401 001 18
   Component: FrontSensor_D  001 6149 
   Serial number: 3550002B725325B2905Y
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Front Sensor Passenger: 
   Subsystem 7 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 401 001 18
   Component: FrontSensor_P  001 6149 
   Serial number: 3560002B725325B3B04.
   Coding: 2D2D2D

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels:| 5Q0-953-549.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 953 507 GH    HW: 5Q0 953 549 E
   Component: Lenks. Modul  003 0140  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 18011808491437
   Coding: 0410
   Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSKLOMQB 020002
   ROD: EV_SMLSKLOMQB_020_VW37.rod
   VCID: 025D7640048F3D67DCD-8056

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5G0-920-XXX-17.clb-SRI3
   Part No SW: 5G1 920 840 C    HW: 5G1 920 840 C
   Component: KOMBI         242 0310  
   Coding: 0BB4110AA180CF0502082A001000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00072
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB 009060
   ROD: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB_009_VW37.rod
   VCID: 270B07D4CF6D384FAB3-8072

1 Fault Found:
16777020 - Function Restricted due to Interrupted Communications 
          U1110 00 [008] - -
          [BAP_TEL_0x28 keine Kommunikation]
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 135
                    Reset counter: 99
                    Mileage: 15656 km
                    Date: 2019.04.12
                    Time: 14:52:32


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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:| 3Q0-907-530-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 3Q0 907 530 K    HW: 3Q0 907 530 B
   Component: GW MQB Mid    517 5323  
   Serial number: 16021800841260
   Coding: 0101000830085900FA0000081C0F00000001070000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 07025
   ASAM Dataset: EV_GatewNF 013023
   ROD: EV_GatewNF.rod
   VCID: 372BD7941FCDA8CF3B3-8062

   Alternator: 

   Multi Function Steering Wheel Control Module: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5G0 959 442 P    HW: 5G0 959 442 P  Labels: 3C8-959-537.CLB
   Component: E221__MFL-DC1  H17 0103 
   Serial number: 28180000049020101439
   Coding: 31FFFF

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels:| 5QX-959-X93-42.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q4 959 393 E    HW: 5Q4 959 393 B
   Component: TSG FS        011 0032  
   Serial number: 7038805101145 
   Coding: 003003200000020000000000
   Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMAXCONT 006001
   ROD: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMAXCONT.rod
   VCID: 45D7AD5C5521CA5FB9F-8010

   Drivers Door Rear Control Module: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5Q4 959 811 F    HW: 5Q4 959 811 F  Labels: 5QX-959-81X-V1.CLB
   Component: Fond FHSG DRV  010 0004 
   Serial number: 00000000000000215860
   Coding: 011000

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist (J500)       Labels:| 5Q0-909-144.clb
   Part No SW: 5QM 909 144 B    HW: 5QM 909 144 B
   Component: EPS_MQB_ZFLS  172 1081  
   Coding: 010A0000
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00072
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SteerAssisMQB 015157
   ROD: EV_SteerAssisMQB_015.rod
   VCID: 50F98C089A631FF71A9-8004

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels:| 5QX-959-X92-52.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q4 959 392 E    HW: 5Q4 959 392 B
   Component: TSG BFS       011 0032  
   Serial number: 8038802400927 
   Coding: 003003200000020000000000
   Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMAXCONT 006001
   ROD: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMAXCONT.rod
   VCID: 44D1B0585E1BF357AE1-8010

   Passengers Rear Door Control Module: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5Q4 959 812 F    HW: 5Q4 959 812 F  Labels: 5QX-959-81X-V1.CLB
   Component: Fond FHSG PSG  010 0004 
   Serial number: 00000000000000213016
   Coding: 091000

No fault code found.

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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:| 5G0-035-MIB-ENT2.clb
   Part No SW: 5G6 035 868     HW: 5G6 035 868 
   Component: MU-E--ER      671 8732  
   Serial number: 04011800021558
   Coding: 02730200FF00000041220001001000009F0000D40000010000
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 07025
   ASAM Dataset: EV_MUEnt4CGen2LGE 001041
   ROD: EV_MUEnt4CGen2LGE_VW37.rod
   VCID: 70B92C883A233FF73A9-8024

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:10, VBatt start/end: 12.2V/12.4V)-----------
 
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The fault code is Intermittent
Try and make an Auto-Scan without UDS Aggressive Mode.

See explanations here an here.
Thank you NEtech, I've Auto-scanned it without UDS Aggressive Mode and it is not showing, as you suggested. Also, I've found more info about it:

"The UDS Aggressive Mode box is checked by default. In this mode VCDS will try to retrieve all fault codes, even ones that may not be shown by the factory scan tool, depending on which mode the factory technician is using. You can uncheck this box to more closely correlate your results with what would be seen by the factory scan tool in "Self Diagnostics" mode compared to their more aggressive checking in "Guided Fault Finding" mode."

As, the VW Dealership did not want to recognize it, I will have to inform the Technician to perform then a more aggressive scan in "Guided Fault Finding" mode.

Here it is the scan for review:

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Address 02: Auto Trans (J217) Labels: 09G-927-749-V2.clb
Part No SW: 09G 927 158 AR HW: 09G 927 158
Component: AISIN AG6 G3 202 3198
Coding: 010200000C000000000000000000000000000000
Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00072
ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMAQ250031 002009
ROD: EV_TCMAQ250031_002_VW37.rod
VCID: 035373441B95346FD7B-8056

No fault code found.

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you probably have a defective DSG selector, it happened a lot in the Golf. it will escalate and eventually show up on the cluster. at that point the dealer will replace it, if still under warranty.
 
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you probably have a defective DSG selector, it happened a lot in the Golf. it will escalate and eventually show up on the cluster. at that point the dealer will replace it, if still under warranty.
Also very common in the DSG versions of the MQB Octavia III - same problem with some dealers claiming there is no fault code visible despite the message on the cluster saying not to leave the vehicle unless the handbrake is on.
 
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In the morning received a response from the dealer mentioning that the ODIS scan had been done in "Guided Fault Finding" mode equivalent to UDS Aggressive Mode .
Checked the log that I've got and posted above and it is GFF scanned.

Now, the question shall be address by Ross-Tech, really. SO, why it is VDCS throwing a transmission Fault Code???

1 Fault Found:
28269 - Gear Selector
P17C5 00 [096] - Implausible Signal
Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
 
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VCDS does not "throw" faults. VCDS queries your control modules. They report faults.

The fact that ODIS isn't showing that fault doesn't mean it isn't there; just that ODIS doesn't consider it reportable yet.

If you wish VCDS to to pull the wool over its eyes in a manner similar to ODIS, un-check "Use Aggressive Mode".

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If I used a harsh word (throw) I apologize Benevolent Dictator :rolleyes: ... but, in this case it might just did reported a fault code that was not detected by ODIS with checked "Aggressive Mode".

I mention that if I uncheck "Use Aggressive Mode" it does have a blind eye and does not see it. Scans are available in earlier posts.

In conclusion, VW considers the following: "we performed two complete Gff's (Guided Fault Findings). Not interested in scanning the vehicle any further or trying to figure out why your scanner is pulling inaccurate data. If your vehicle recognizes any faults and sets a check engine light or other warning light we will then be able to scan and diagnose it.

Uwe, are you suggesting "that ODIS isn't showing that fault doesn't mean it isn't there; just that ODIS doesn't consider it reportable yet". Or VW does hides fault codes like these on purpose!?

I am looking forward to hear informed opinions that it can explains more in detail... as, I can report this issue for further investigations with NHTSA.
 
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Uwe, are you suggesting "that ODIS isn't showing that fault doesn't mean it isn't there; just that ODIS doesn't consider it reportable yet". Or VW does hides fault codes like these on purpose!?
I am suggesting that whether control module reports a fault to the scan tool depends on exactly how the scan tool asks. I have not played much with ODIS myself, but have definitely seen it with the previous generation of dealer software, "VAS PC". If you just went into a control module directly and queried fault codes, it did the query in a manner equivalent to having "Aggressive Mode" off in VCDS, and no fault codes are shown, yet if you went in via Guided Fault Finding, it would do so in a manner equivalent to have "Aggressive Mode" on in VCDS and presto, those faults would show up. We've never found the reasoning behind this, so by default, VCDS uses the aggressive mode, but you can de-select it if you wish.

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Many thanks Uwe for pointing to the right direction.

You are too politically correct, and I can see ....your reasons. But, I see an opportunity here to say it as it is and gain more trust from your present and future user base.

Whenever, I'll have updates I'll post it....
 
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You are too politically correct.
I'm rarely accused of that!

Let me re-phrase: By default, VCDS shows every fault code stored in a module, whether the module has decided it's significant yet or not. The dealers' tool doesn't do that, at least not under all circumstances.

I'll also point out that there have been plenty of real problems with those gear selectors. But given that you have a 6-year warranty, I wouldn't worry about it too much yet. If/when it shows up as a fault that the module considers significant (and I bet at some point it will), then let VW deal with it.

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I'm rarely accused of that!

-Uwe-
Then this is a very rare compliment to a such straight shooter! I really appreciate your input and I hope anyone that is looking for this kind of valuable information.
 
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i just got started messing around with ODIS 4.4.10 to look into programmming some ODIS specific items like lane assist, acc, component protection, etc. my opinion thus far it is not all that great. at minimum i certainly much now appreciate the speed and simplicity of VCDS that much more and will continue to use it as my primary tool if not just for productivity. i can start, diagnose and fix problems in VCDS (and fill up a tank of gas), before ODIS gets past the startup screen... :)
 
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ODIS is THE way to go if you have Geko access. for simple stuff, VCDS is way better. I did 90% of my retrofits with VCDS.
 
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