Trying to bleed ABS System with VCDS Lite

baselineb · Jun 5, 2014

Hello,
I'm a new purchaser of the VCDS-Lite software using a third party interface. I seem to have gotten the interface working, below is my most recent Auto-Scan

Code:

VCDS-Lite Version: Release 1.2
Thursday, 05 June 2014, 20:10:50:20439


Chassis Type: 3B - VW Passat B5
Scan: 01,02,03,08,15,16,17,19,35,36,37,46,47,55,56,57,58,75,76,77
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine       Labels: Redir Fail!
   Controller: 4B0 906 018 DA
   Component: 1.8L R4/5VT     G   0006
   Coding: 0016551
   Shop #: WSC 05311
   VCID: 63B96358E24D
3 Faults Found:
16684 -  Random/Multiple Cylinder Misfire Detected
            P0300 - 008 -  Implausible Signal
16686 -  Cylinder 2: Misfire Detected
            P0302 - 008 -  Implausible Signal
18057 -  Powertrain Data Bus: Missing Message from ABS Controller
            P1649 - 008 -  Implausible Signal - Intermittent
Readiness: 0000 0000

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 02: Auto Trans       Labels: 01V-927-156.LBL
   Controller: 3B0 927 156 AH
   Component: AG5 01V 1.8l5VT USA 0810
   Coding: 0001104
   Shop #: WSC 05311
   VCID: 6CAB08640F93
2 Faults Found:
17086 -  Transm. Control Module Electrical Malf. (SAE) or Control Module Defective (VAG)
            P0702 - 003 -  Mechanical Failure - Intermittent
17086 -  Transm. Control Module Electrical Malf. (SAE) or Control Module Defective (VAG)
            P0702 - 003 -  Mechanical Failure - Intermittent

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Address 03: ABS Brakes       Labels: 4B0-614-517.LBL
   Controller: 4B0 614 517 P
   Component: ABS/ESP front       2330
   Coding: 04277
   Shop #: WSC 12345
   VCID: 2E2FC26CF90F
1 Fault Found:
01486 -  System Function Test Activated
            35-00 -   -

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Address 15: Airbags       Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.LBL
   Controller: 1C0 909 605 C
   Component: 09 AIRBAG VW61 04   0001
   Coding: 12345
   Shop #: WSC 05311
   VCID: 243B2044A7C3
1 Fault Found:
00532 -  Supply Voltage B+
            07-10 -  Signal too Low - Intermittent

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Address 17: Instruments       Labels: 3B0-920-xx5-17.LBL
   Controller: 3B0 920 927 B
   Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRSP VDO V08
   Coding: 07235
   Shop #: WSC 00000
   VCID: 243B2044A7C3
   WVWVD63B23E321538     VWZ7Z0B6604124
1 Fault Found:
01316 -  ABS Control Module
            49-10 -  No Communications - Intermittent

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Address 19: CAN Gateway       Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.LBL
   Controller: 6N0 909 901 
   Component: Gateway K<->CAN    0001
   Coding: 00006
   Shop #: WSC 05311
   VCID: F0939C14A3BB
1 Fault Found:
01316 -  ABS Control Module
            49-10 -  No Communications - Intermittent

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Address 46: Central Conv.       Labels: 1C0-959-799.LBL
   Controller: 1C0 959 799 C
   Component: 80 Komfortgerát HLO 0003
   Coding: 00258
   Shop #: WSC 05311
   VCID: 3701E7080655
5 Faults Found:
01330 -  Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393)
            53-10 -  Supply Voltage Too Low - Intermittent
01331 -  Door Control Module; Driver Side (J386)
            53-10 -  Supply Voltage Too Low - Intermittent
01332 -  Door Control Module; Passenger Side (J387)
            53-10 -  Supply Voltage Too Low - Intermittent
01333 -  Door Control Module; Rear Left (J388)
            53-10 -  Supply Voltage Too Low - Intermittent
01334 -  Door Control Module; Rear Right (J398)
            53-10 -  Supply Voltage Too Low - Intermittent

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Address 56: Radio       Labels: 3B7-035-1xx-56.LBL
   Controller: 3B7 035 180 E
   Component:    Radio NP2        0008
   Coding: 00031
   Shop #: WSC 05311
   VCID: 2237265CBDD7
No fault code found.

End   --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Yesterday I was getting fault code: 01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded within the 03 ABS Brakes but I followed the steps on the WIKI to enter my login (analyzed it to be 09577) and soft code (analyzed it to be 04277).

My problem now (and yesterday too) is when I go into Basic Settings within the ABS Brakes and choose a group, they all say "ERROR not available" except for Group 3. I am trying to go through the process of bleeding the ABS and I can't seem to be able to get to the group necessary to do this.

Thank you for any assistance you can provide.

Regards
Bob

Uwe · Jun 5, 2014

Welcome aboard. We appreciate you introducing yourself by posting an Auto-Scan.

I'd like the techs to confirm this, but if you check the repair manual for your, I think you'll find that they a bled conventionally (ostensibly using pressure bleeder) and there's no scan tool involved in the process.

And the '01486 - System Function Test Activated' fault code should be taken care of as described here in our Wiki.

-Uwe-

Jack@European_Parts · Jun 5, 2014

This unit should be bled conventionally with the engine running.

After completed you can purge the system of additional air using VCDS and running the outputs. 0x03-03-GO and follow the brake pedal depress and release procedures.
Pay attention to the feel of the pedal of each wheel and have second tech verify the release/lock of each wheel vehicle raised.
Listen to the way the sounds of the ABS valves....... if you pay attention you will hear and feel which may still have air or require additional bleeding.

baselineb · Jun 6, 2014

Thank you for the guidance!

I will try this and report back and let you know how it worked.

Jef · Jun 6, 2014

I would not want to use a scan tool to bleed brakes. All the cool kids are using pressure bleeders these days. You can purchase small units for personal use, or make your own.

searches YouTube for 30 seconds....

Here we go:

baselineb · Jun 10, 2014

My update is a little discouraging.
I was originally trying to bleed the ABS pump because I could not get any fluid to the calipers. I was thinking that if I could use VCDS to run the pump that would get the system clear of air then could finish through conventional bleeding. I do not own a pressure bleeder but I do have a vacuum bleeder and also a helper with the brake peddle. I'm still not getting fluid to the calipers but have another bigger issue I need to tackle now.

I stripped the threads within the ABS pump for one of the brake lines coming from the master cylinder. Now, every time I press on the brake there fluid is coming up from the coupling to the ABS pump and can't get a tight seal. I'm prepared next to remove the ABS pump and try to find a used one but had a few questions.

How do I know exactly which pump I need and that I can replace that will still work with my existing control module. The numbers at the top are 4BO614517P and O265225180. Do I need to match them exactly, and also, will I have any problems with VCDS recognizing the new pump and/or control module if they come together.

Thanks
Bob

Jack@European_Parts · Jun 10, 2014

Maybe try a tread chaser on both sides to see if you can save the pump and line........

The other question is the microfiche/EPC or calling the dealer with all your PR codes and VIN #

baselineb · Jun 10, 2014

Thanks, that is a great idea about using a thread chaser on the pump and fitting. I'd really like to try that but my question on that is does anybody know what size I would need.

Jack@European_Parts · Jun 11, 2014

Measure with thread gage and caliper.

I imagine it will be 12MM x1.0 from master to pump and 10MM x1.0 for the lines from pump to flex.

The EPC doesn't state so its a guess.

dafrazi · Jun 11, 2014

I always lay the tap against the male threads prior chasing. The tap and male threads should mate up perfectly. The threads at the ends should also match up.

baselineb · Jun 21, 2014

Here is my newest Auto Scan

Code:

VCDS-Lite Version: Release 1.2
Saturday, 21 June 2014, 12:41:06:20439


Chassis Type: 3B - VW Passat B5
Scan: 01,02,03,08,15,16,17,19,35,36,37,46,47,55,56,57,58,75,76,77
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine       Labels: Redir Fail!
   Controller: 4B0 906 018 DA
   Component: 1.8L R4/5VT     G   0006
   Coding: 0016551
   Shop #: WSC 05311
   VCID: 63B96358E24D
3 Faults Found:
16684 -  Random/Multiple Cylinder Misfire Detected
            P0300 - 008 -  Implausible Signal - Intermittent
16686 -  Cylinder 2: Misfire Detected
            P0302 - 008 -  Implausible Signal - Intermittent
18057 -  Powertrain Data Bus: Missing Message from ABS Controller
            P1649 - 008 -  Implausible Signal - Intermittent
Readiness: 0000 0000

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 02: Auto Trans       Labels: 01V-927-156.LBL
   Controller: 3B0 927 156 AH
   Component: AG5 01V 1.8l5VT USA 0810
   Coding: 0001104
   Shop #: WSC 05311
   VCID: 6CAB08640F93
2 Faults Found:
17086 -  Transm. Control Module Electrical Malf. (SAE) or Control Module Defective (VAG)
            P0702 - 003 -  Mechanical Failure - Intermittent
17086 -  Transm. Control Module Electrical Malf. (SAE) or Control Module Defective (VAG)
            P0702 - 003 -  Mechanical Failure - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes       Labels: 4B0-614-517.LBL
   Controller: 4B0 614 517 P
   Component: ABS/ESP front       2330
   Coding: 00000
   Shop #: WSC 00000
   VCID: 2E2FC26CF90F
2 Faults Found:
01044 -  Control Module Incorrectly Coded
            35-00 -   -
00778 -  Steering Angle Sensor (G85)
            66-10 -  Not Matched - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags       Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.LBL
   Controller: 1C0 909 605 C
   Component: 09 AIRBAG VW61 04   0001
   Coding: 12345
   Shop #: WSC 05311
   VCID: 243B2044A7C3
1 Fault Found:
00532 -  Supply Voltage B+
            07-10 -  Signal too Low - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments       Labels: 3B0-920-xx5-17.LBL
   Controller: 3B0 920 927 B
   Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRSP VDO V08
   Coding: 07235
   Shop #: WSC 00000
   VCID: 243B2044A7C3
   WVWVD63B23E321538     VWZ7Z0B6604124
1 Fault Found:
01316 -  ABS Control Module
            49-10 -  No Communications - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 19: CAN Gateway       Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.LBL
   Controller: 6N0 909 901 
   Component: Gateway K<->CAN    0001
   Coding: 00006
   Shop #: WSC 05311
   VCID: F0939C14A3BB
1 Fault Found:
01316 -  ABS Control Module
            49-10 -  No Communications - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 46: Central Conv.       Labels: 1C0-959-799.LBL
   Controller: 1C0 959 799 C
   Component: 80 Komfortgerát HLO 0003
   Coding: 00258
   Shop #: WSC 05311
   VCID: 3701E7080655
5 Faults Found:
01330 -  Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393)
            53-10 -  Supply Voltage Too Low - Intermittent
01331 -  Door Control Module; Driver Side (J386)
            53-10 -  Supply Voltage Too Low - Intermittent
01332 -  Door Control Module; Passenger Side (J387)
            53-10 -  Supply Voltage Too Low - Intermittent
01333 -  Door Control Module; Rear Left (J388)
            53-10 -  Supply Voltage Too Low - Intermittent
01334 -  Door Control Module; Rear Right (J398)
            53-10 -  Supply Voltage Too Low - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 56: Radio       Labels: 3B7-035-1xx-56.LBL
   Controller: 3B7 035 180 E
   Component:    Radio NP2        0008
   Coding: 00031
   Shop #: WSC 05311
   VCID: 2237265CBDD7
No fault code found.

End   --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I tried the thread chaser. Thanks for the idea on that. It was a M12x1.0 . Unfortunately, they don't seem to have that size anywhere that I could find so I made my own with some brake fittings I bought and then cut length wise slits into them with a dremmel.

It didn't stop the leak, though so I went ahead and bought a used ABS pump and module (they are combined on my car)

Above is the newest auto scan and now I don't know how to code this ABS unit. I tried entering the login as 09577 and soft code as 04277 like before but it is giving me 01044 fault code that it is incorrectly coded.

I also tried again to bleed the brakes with this new ABS module in (both with the pedal and vacuum pump while running the car) but no fluid is coming out at the right rear. I'm willing to buy the pressure bleeder if anyone feels that would really solve my problem of getting the air out of the system and that I don't first need to run the ABS pump.

Thanks again for everyone's help and advice.

Bob

Jack@European_Parts · Jun 22, 2014

Go to ABS

0x03 ( ABS ) -07 ( code controller ) -Input 04277 save/done.

Make sure your VCDS has in config screen..............tester #, WSC, and importer # saved.

Then do all your ADP's calibrations.

NEtech · Jun 22, 2014

You perform every step described here, then first deactivate ignition.

baselineb · Jun 22, 2014

Thanks once again. Got it to accept the coding for the new ABS pump. Here is the latest auto-scan

Code:

VCDS-Lite Version: Release 1.2
Sunday, 22 June 2014, 13:42:33:20439


Chassis Type: 3B - VW Passat B5
Scan: 01,02,03,08,15,16,17,19,35,36,37,46,47,55,56,57,58,75,76,77
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine       Labels: Redir Fail!
   Controller: 4B0 906 018 DA
   Component: 1.8L R4/5VT     G   0006
   Coding: 0016551
   Shop #: WSC 05311
   VCID: 63B96358E24D
3 Faults Found:
16684 -  Random/Multiple Cylinder Misfire Detected
            P0300 - 008 -  Implausible Signal - Intermittent
16686 -  Cylinder 2: Misfire Detected
            P0302 - 008 -  Implausible Signal - Intermittent
18057 -  Powertrain Data Bus: Missing Message from ABS Controller
            P1649 - 008 -  Implausible Signal - Intermittent
Readiness: 0000 0000

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 02: Auto Trans       Labels: 01V-927-156.LBL
   Controller: 3B0 927 156 AH
   Component: AG5 01V 1.8l5VT USA 0810
   Coding: 0001104
   Shop #: WSC 05311
   VCID: 6CAB08640F93
2 Faults Found:
17086 -  Transm. Control Module Electrical Malf. (SAE) or Control Module Defective (VAG)
            P0702 - 003 -  Mechanical Failure - Intermittent
17086 -  Transm. Control Module Electrical Malf. (SAE) or Control Module Defective (VAG)
            P0702 - 003 -  Mechanical Failure - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes       Labels: 4B0-614-517.LBL
   Controller: 4B0 614 517 P
   Component: ABS/ESP front       2330
   Coding: 04277
   Shop #: WSC 12345
   VCID: 2E2FC26CF90F
1 Fault Found:
01486 -  System Function Test Activated
            35-00 -   -

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags       Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.LBL
   Controller: 1C0 909 605 C
   Component: 09 AIRBAG VW61 04   0001
   Coding: 12345
   Shop #: WSC 05311
   VCID: 243B2044A7C3
1 Fault Found:
00532 -  Supply Voltage B+
            07-10 -  Signal too Low - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments       Labels: 3B0-920-xx5-17.LBL
   Controller: 3B0 920 927 B
   Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRSP VDO V08
   Coding: 07235
   Shop #: WSC 00000
   VCID: 243B2044A7C3
   WVWVD63B23E321538     VWZ7Z0B6604124
1 Fault Found:
01316 -  ABS Control Module
            49-10 -  No Communications - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 19: CAN Gateway       Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.LBL
   Controller: 6N0 909 901 
   Component: Gateway K<->CAN    0001
   Coding: 00006
   Shop #: WSC 05311
   VCID: F0939C14A3BB
1 Fault Found:
01316 -  ABS Control Module
            49-10 -  No Communications - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 46: Central Conv.       Labels: 1C0-959-799.LBL
   Controller: 1C0 959 799 C
   Component: 80 Komfortgerát HLO 0003
   Coding: 00258
   Shop #: WSC 05311
   VCID: 3701E7080655
5 Faults Found:
01330 -  Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393)
            53-10 -  Supply Voltage Too Low - Intermittent
01331 -  Door Control Module; Driver Side (J386)
            53-10 -  Supply Voltage Too Low - Intermittent
01332 -  Door Control Module; Passenger Side (J387)
            53-10 -  Supply Voltage Too Low - Intermittent
01333 -  Door Control Module; Rear Left (J388)
            53-10 -  Supply Voltage Too Low - Intermittent
01334 -  Door Control Module; Rear Right (J398)
            53-10 -  Supply Voltage Too Low - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 56: Radio       Labels: 3B7-035-1xx-56.LBL
   Controller: 3B7 035 180 E
   Component:    Radio NP2        0008
   Coding: 00031
   Shop #: WSC 05311
   VCID: 2237265CBDD7
No fault code found.

End   --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Now I'm back to where I started at the beginning of this discussion. When I go into 03-ABS Brakes and then 04-Basic Settings I am getting the "Error Not Available" except for group 3. Also, when I go into the 03-Output Tests I press on "start/next" and the system immediately tells me it is finished testing. I am unable to choose a specific test like I think you can with the full version of VCDS.

Bob

Jack@European_Parts · Jun 22, 2014

Yay! its coded...........

No............. VCDS LITE the licensed version, should work just fine.

It seems that this controller just doesn't support that procedure you are attempting.
It is recommended to use PSI bleeder, mighty vac pull at bleeders........ or pump hold and dump repeating,
( While engine running ) the good old fashioned way.

It is recommended to do a gravity bleed at each bleeder first.

baselineb · Jun 24, 2014

Jack, you were right again.
I tried a gravity bleed (to be honest I never knew what it was before). Opened all the bleeder screws and it worked. It was very exciting to see that fluid come out each caliper again. Then used the vacuum bleeder to get clean fluid throughout and tightened everything up.

Still not finished, though, because now I have a hard peddle until starting the engine and running where the peddle becomes soft again and sinks to the floor. I'm pretty sure I got the air out through all the calipers and am thinking that I must have damaged the master cylinder prior and could have been the reason for not being able to bleed with the peddle. The next step will be to replace the MC unless anyone thinks it might be something else.

DrPeter · Jun 24, 2014

The next step will be to replace the MC unless anyone thinks it might be something else.

Master cylinders do go bad eventually, it is plausible the seals could be failing, you would need to disassemble it to be sure, or replace it.

Some people like to bench bleed the 'New replacement' master cylinder before they install it, I think that is a good idea too.
- Internet search 'bench bleed master cylinder' and you will see what I mean.

Hope that helps,

drpeter

Jack@European_Parts · Jun 24, 2014

The best way to verify a master is bled............. is to pump fluid in reverse through each zone until the tank refills.
The use of a mighty vac is recommended.
or

Quick and dirty poor mans way.
Fill reservoir and open one line at the master and gravity bleed after you pumped the pedal like 10 times.

Do twice for each zone if unsure and don't forget to have a rag or container collecting the dripping fluid.

Like Peter said............. masters do go........they must be verified!

Dana · Jun 25, 2014

I agree with the possibility that the internal seals in the master itself could be faulty but make sure the brake pads, rotors and mechanical sliders/pad anchor surfaces are OK. For example, a vehicle with the pad lining worn down in all 4 corners can make the pedal low. Likewise, frozen sliders and rusted outboard pads can make the pedal feel low.

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