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    We're working on reproducing this locally, possibly today. In the meantime, have you tried switching the computer to performance mode, and turning off power savings for the wifi card? Beta should be a little bit faster on that Asus too, but that's already a nice time
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    I think i reproduced the problem on a surface 4. It appears the network card disconnects and reconnects while in use. VCDS will try to restore the session if possible. I think thats whats happening with your 20+ min autoscan.

    Do you have other network issues?


    Code:
    Friday,06,May,2016,14:05:23:35435
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
    VCDS Version: 16.3.1.1 (x64)
    Data version: 20160325
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    VIN: WVWED71K58W330910   License Plate:
    Mileage: 162540km-100997mi   Repair Order:
     
     
    Chassis Type: 1K (1K0)
    Scan: 01 03 08 09 0F 15 16 17 19 1C 25 42 44 46 52 55 56 65 77
     
    VIN: WVWED71K58W330910   Mileage: 162540km-100997miles
     
    01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
    04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
    0F-Digital Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    1C-Position Sensing -- Status: OK 0000
    25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
    44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
    55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
    56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    65-Tire Pressure -- Status: OK 0000
    77-Telephone -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine (CBF)       Labels: 06J-907-115-CBF.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 907 115 AD    HW: 1K0 907 115 AD
       Component: 2.0l R4/4V TFSI     0060  
       Revision: E3H12---    Serial number: **** *** ****!
       Coding: 0403010818070160
       Shop #: WSC 03738 444 38140
       VCID: E89CF9EFDBF9307C9C-80BC
     
    No fault code found.
    Readiness: 0010 1000
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-F.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AC    HW: 1K0 907 379 AC
       Component: ESP FRONT MK60      0101  
       Revision: 00H11001    
       Coding: 0021122
       Shop #: WSC 01269 785 00200
       VCID: F3A69E83923FC3A439-80A6
     
    No fault code found.
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 1K0-820-047.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 820 047 HS    HW: 1K0 820 047 HS
       Component: Climatic PQ35   142 1111  
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: FCB4B5BFBF618CDC68-FFFE
     
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 09: Cent. Elect.
    Cannot be reached
    Unable to communicate with address 09. Are you sure the doors are unlocked?
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 0F: Digital Radio        Labels: 8E0-035-593-SIR.lbl
       Part No SW: 8E0 035 593 M    HW: 8E0 035 593 M
       Component: SDAR SIRIUS     H07 0150  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: AUZ4Z7H0303069
       Coding: 0000000
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: B3265E83D2BF83A4F9-80E6
     
    1 Fault Found:
    02635 - Tuner Not Enabled/Activated
                000 -  -
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100000
                        Fault Priority: 7
                        Fault Frequency: 24
                        Reset counter: 220
                        Mileage: 161756 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2000.00.00
                        Time: 13:03:25
     
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 AB    HW: 1K0 909 605 AB
       Component: 6K AIRBAG VW8R  034 8000  
       Revision: 05034000    Serial number: 003B6D0B39V1  
       Coding: 0013899
       Shop #: WSC 01269 785 00200
       VCID: EC9485FFCF011C5CF8-80B8
     
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 959 339 G
       Component: BF-Gewichtsens. 007 0007
     
       Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6332MSME3B6110351
     
       Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6342MSME28144F7ER
     
       Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6352QSME5D777927Y
     
       Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 6362QSME6033445DG
     
       Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 63727SME15590326Y
     
       Subsystem 7 - Serial number: 63827SME15584D625
     
    No Faults Found
      or DTCs not supported by controller
      or a communication error occurred
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: None
       Part No HW: 1K0 953 549 BP
       VCID: D5E2C01B3C8BBD9437-8080
     
    No fault code found.
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K6 920 974 A    HW: 1K6 920 974 A
       Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDD 2216  
       Revision: V0002000    Serial number: VWX7Z0H33NP7VV
       Coding: 0005403
       Shop #: WSC 06417 444 54452
       VCID: B2285B872DA58AACF2-80E6
     
    No fault code found.
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 1K0-907-530-V3.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 L    HW: 1K0 907 951
       Component: J533  Gateway   H07 0052  
       Revision:   H07 01    Serial number: 180408F1008767
       Coding: E9811F070017020000
       Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
       VCID: B02C518F23A9B8BC84-80E4
     
    1 Fault Found:
    01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded
                000 -  -  - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00100000
                        Fault Priority: 1
                        Fault Frequency: 3
                        Reset counter: 255
                        Mileage: 149944 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2000.00.00
                        Time: 18:59:26
     
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 1C: Position Sensing        Labels: 1Kx-919-xxx-1C.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K6 919 879     HW: 1K6 919 879
       Component: Kompass         001 0003  
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: FDB2B8BBA47B85D45F-80A8
     
    No fault code found.
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
       Part No SW: 1K6 920 974 A    HW: 1K6 920 974 A
       Component: IMMO            VDD 2216  
       Revision: V0002000    Serial number: VWX7Z0H33NP7VV
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: B2285B872DA58AACF2-80E6
     
    No fault code found.
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MIN3.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 M    HW: 1K0 959 701 M
       Component: Tuer-SG         006 1207  
       Coding: 0001077
       Shop #: WSC 01269 785 00200
       VCID: B83C69AFCBD960FCCC-80EC
     
    No fault code found.
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
       Part No: 1K1 909 144 M
       Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.074 H08 1901  
       Shop #: WSC 00000 028 00001
       VCID: B522609BDCCB9D94D7-80E0
     
    No fault code found.
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1K0-959-433-MAX.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CT    HW: 1K0 959 433 CT
       Component:    KSG PQ35 RDK 052 0221  
       Revision: 00052000    Serial number: 00000000000000
       Coding: 1B9006885103083F7D040D8FB0080A04889C00
       Shop #: WSC 12345 785 00200
       VCID: 8444CD5FC791F41C10-80D0
     
       Subsystem 1 - Component:   Sounder n.mounted    
     
       Subsystem 2 - Component:       NGS n.mounted    
     
       Subsystem 3 - Component:      IRUE n.mounted    
     
    No fault code found.
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MIN3.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 959 702 M    HW: 1K0 959 702 M
       Component: Tuer-SG         006 1207  
       Coding: 0001076
       Shop #: WSC 01269 785 00200
       VCID: B93A6CABF0D379F433-80EC
     
    No fault code found.
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 1T0-907-357.lbl
       Part No: 1T0 907 357
       Component: Dynamische LWR      0003  
       Coding: 0000003
       Shop #: WSC 01269 785 00200
       VCID: F4A49D9F9731C49C20-80A0
     
    No fault code found.
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels: 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb
       Part No SW: 3AD 035 190 A    HW: 3AD 035 190 A
       Component: RCD510USBRVC  003 0003  
       Revision: -----001    Serial number: VWZ4Z3N8141478
       Coding: 01000424040005
       Shop #: WSC 00079 790 12345
       VCID: AB1646E3CA8FDB64B1-80FE
     
    1 Fault Found:
    01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
                004 - No Signal/Communication
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100100
                        Fault Priority: 6
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 20
                        Mileage: 142330 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2000.00.00
                        Time: 17:46:27
     
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 65: Tire Pressure        Labels: 3C0-959-433-65.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CT    HW: 1K0 959 433 CT
       Component:    RDK              0450  
       Revision: 00052000    Serial number: 00000000000000
       Coding: 0100101
       Shop #: WSC 01269 785 00200
       VCID: 8444CD5FC791F41C10-80D0
     
    No fault code found.
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 77: Telephone (J738)       Labels: 1K8-035-730.clb
       Part No SW: 1K8 035 730 C    HW: 1K8 035 730 C
       Component: Telefon       H08 6600  
       Revision: 00008000    Serial number: 20389520286508
       Coding: 412100
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       VCID: A91ABCEBC073C97443-80FC
     
    1 Fault Found:
    01526 - Emergency Call Button (E276)
                009 - Open or Short to Ground
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01101001
                        Fault Priority: 3
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 49
                        Mileage: 149944 km
                        Time Indication: 0
     
     
    End----------(Elapsed Time: 04:02, VBatt start/end: 13.9V/13.8V)-----------
    Last edited by Santos; 05-06-2016 at 02:27 PM.

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    It doesnt appear to be network card specific. I tried another USB network card and ran into the same issue. I also modded the registry to bring back high performance mode in the power settings, no change as well.

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    ^^^^ Santos: Hi . Sorry that I haven't replied sooner - the tyranny of distance and our out-of-sync sleeping hours, alas! Many thanks for your efforts (and those of the rest of the RT crew) on my behalf.

    I'm surprised that this problem hasn't become evident sooner - the Surface series laptops aren't new and they are "mainstream" - surely I can't be the first to have hooked-up a HEX-NET to one of these laptops?

    Anyhow, My Surface Pro 3 has not, and does not show any symptoms of malfunction - I have set-up a home based LAN (both Ethernet and WIFI) and everything works OK. I have lousy internet speed here, but this is because of our 4th world ISP infrastructure - Australia uses carrier pigeons to deliver the data packets!!

    Since last night's problems have become evident, I have downloaded Microsoft's latest Windows 10 driver pack for the Surface laptop (which has a new driver specific to the Marvell network card) - still no difference. Without wanting to disclose any RT secrets - in layman's words - what's special about the HEX-NET's protocols that doesn't happen in normal WIFI connected devices?
    Don
    PS: It's OK if the Surface Pro problem can't be fixed - the increased speed of the HEX-NET is so good, I'm more than happy to use it in cable mode, or with the Asus. It's a great evolution to the HEX+CAN!
    Last edited by DV52; 05-06-2016 at 07:30 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DV52 View Post
    the Surface series laptops aren't new and they are "mainstream" - surely I can't be the first to have hooked-up a HEX-NET to one of these laptops?
    They're dang expensive for what they are, so they tend to be rare among our customers.

    Quote Originally Posted by DV52 View Post
    Without wanting to disclose any RT secrets - in layman's words - what's special about the HEX-NET's protocols that doesn't happen in normal WIFI connected devices?
    We're wondering that ourselves right now! We certainly hope to find out. But that won't be happening today. We'll looking into it more next week.

    -Uwe-
    The engineering problems are likely insurmountable. It would be like proposing to land a rocket booster section on a barge floating in the middle of the ocean.

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    I'm sure Shaun will have interesting insight when he comes in Monday; Santos and I saw a couple puzzling things on Wireshark already, but how that leads us to a fix remains to be seen. In the meantime, feel free to play with the new Beta (via USB if you don't have all day! ) and post some autoscans
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe View Post
    We're wondering that ourselves right now! We certainly hope to find out.
    The newer ones have hardware assisted power management trickery, Connected Standby / InstantGo among other things I forget, that I think is fairly rare.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    I'm sure Shaun will have interesting insight when he comes in Monday; Santos and I saw a couple puzzling things on Wireshark already, but how that leads us to a fix remains to be seen.
    What is it you're seeing?

    I should have access to a Surface 3 (non-Pro) in a couple more weeks. It came out of a cereal box. No joke. I think they were dumping old inventory.

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    Wow: The speed of the HEX-NET just keeps getting faster!!


    AUTOSCAN SPEED TEST
    VCDS Type Elapsed Time (mins) ver: Beta 16.3.1.1 Elapsed Time (Mins) ver: Beta 16.5.0.4
    HEX+CAN (Cable) 03:10 03:12
    HEX-NET (Cable) 01:28 01:15
    HEX-NET (WIFI) 01:47 01:25
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    Shaun and I found a way to make it work. The issue appears to be Microsoft pinging the mothership and delaying HEX-NET packets up to 8 seconds. I was able to get it to scan by stopping the " Network location Awareness " service and leaving the surface plugged into the wall.

    This is not an acceptable fix. We are still looking into it.


    Update: After a reboot it looks to be broken again, disabling the service now makes no difference.
    Last edited by Santos; 05-09-2016 at 04:41 PM.

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    Santos: Again, appreciate your (and Shaun's) valiant endeavours, but I'm reminded of the "principal of factor scarcity" - with 20% effort, you both have probably found 80% of the likely result! If the investigations prove time-consuming (as I suspect that they wil bel), I'm more than happy to just use my old Asus laptop when I want to connect HEX NET in AP mode.

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