Different values in VCDS mobile compared to VCDS desktop

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Good day!

I'm new to this forum! I own a VW Up! TSI 90 HP and I hope you guys can help me with below?

See screenhots and autoscan below. Both on mobile and desktop the exact same values are checked in advanced measurements.

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Friday,24,April,2020,18:27:19:18439
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 20.4.0.1 (x64)  HEX-NET CB: 0.4508.4
Data version: 20200331 DS317.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WVWZZZAAZHD054805   License Plate: G120BD
Mileage: 64420km-40028mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: AA-VW12 (1S0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 10 15 17 19 25 44 47 5F 61 69 AD

VIN: WVWZZZAAZHD054805   Mileage: 64420km-40028miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
61-Battery Regul. -- Status: OK 0000
69-Trailer -- Status: OK 0000
AD-Brake Sensors -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine (J623-CHZA)       Labels:. 04E-907-309-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 04C 906 026     HW: 04C 907 309 AG
   Component: R3 1.0l TFS   X22 3537  
   Revision: WTX22---    
   Coding: 00110032232401000000
   Shop #: WSC 92521 052 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM10TFS01104C906026 001004
   ROD: EV_ECM10TFS01104C906026_VW12.rod
   VCID: DEF03FFEC17F1276D0-808A

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 1S0-614-517.clb
   Part No SW: 1S0 614 517 L    HW: 1S0 614 517 L
   Component: EBC 460 ESP   H16 0023  
   Serial number: A01DGCG
   Coding: 12BF247129B202F5480224F594AE40515FB300
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1ESPEBC460TRW 002004
   ROD: EV_Brake1ESPEBC460TRW_002_VW25.rod
   VCID: B83C8966031B0C467A-80EC

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 1S0 907 044     HW: 1S0 907 044 
   Component: Climatronic   H05 0101  
   Revision: K0000000    
   VCID: EC9465360FC370E64E-80B8

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 1S0 937 090 F    HW: 1S0 937 090 
   Component: BCM PQ25 1MX4 H81 0744  
   Revision: BW081001    Serial number: 0978 004170826
   Coding: 7AB82BA700010000090807D06CEB8ED079C0706D60CF2D602101000B0900
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
   VCID: B620875E010FFA3668-80E2

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 5K7 955 559 C  Labels: 5K7-955-559.CLB
   Component: RLS 110117 04  42  0106 
   Coding: 0228DD

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 591 D    HW: 6R0 959 591 D
   Component: J245 PS72.405  H03 0004 
   Serial number: 0000FST001DDIR000000
   Coding: 181100

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 2H0 959 442     HW: 2H0 959 442   Labels: 3C8-959-537.CLB
   Component: E221__MFL-DC1  H02 0103 
   Serial number: 27160003200130016486
   Coding: A4FFFF

No fault code found.

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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels:| 1Sx-919-475.clb
   Part No SW: 1S0 919 475 B    HW: 1Q0 919 475 
   Component: PARKHILFE 3K  H03 0013  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 32961701102569
   Coding: 108004
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
   ASAM Dataset: EV_EPHVA14VW1200000 001009
   ROD: EV_EPHVA14VW1200000.rod
   VCID: B93A8C623811154E85-80EC

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 1S0 959 655 C    HW: 1S0 959 655 C
   Component: VW10Airbag02N H03 0007  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 003UB000B2DR
   Coding: 00000000000000000000000000000000324E
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW12X 001001
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVN750.rod
   VCID: BE309F7E213F3276B0-80EA

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 3497ARB400257J239JBN

   Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 3507ARB401E598PARJGT

   Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 3557BRB405R45P4EI82D

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 1Sx-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 1S0 920 870     HW: 1S0 920 870 
   Component: KOMBI         H05 0010  
   Revision: X0005001    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 114A010000
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
   ASAM Dataset: EV_KombiUDSMM9RM10 A05808
   ROD: EV_KombiUDSMM9RM10_A05_VW12.rod
   VCID: EE906F3E31DF82F660-80BA

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 1S0 909 901     HW: 1S0 937 090 
   Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 H81 0744  
   Revision: BW081001    
   Coding: 001201
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
   VCID: F0AC714623EB940672-80A4

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 1S0 920 870 
   Component: IMMO          H05 0010  
   Revision: X0005001    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ImmoUDSMM9RM10 A01702
   ROD: EV_ImmoUDSMM9RM10_VW12.rod
   VCID: EA98632E0D376ED63C-80BE

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist (J792)       Labels:| 6Rx-909-144-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 6R1 909 144 AM    HW: 6R1 909 144 E
   Component: EPS_TRW_ALow  313 3142  
   Serial number: CH1L1400
   Coding: 000700
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SteerAssisUDSTRW 016134
   ROD: EV_SteerAssisUDSTRW.rod
   VCID: 82482B8E1547969694-80D6

No fault code found.

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Address 47: Sound System (R12)       Labels: 5K0-035-456.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 035 456 E    HW: 5K0 035 456 E
   Component: KonzernAmp 8K H09 6631  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: EAA101C0071191
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AudioVerst8KanalSTT3 001003
   ROD: EV_AudioVerst8KanalSTT3.rod
   VCID: AC14A536C743B0E60E-80F8

No fault code found.

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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:| 5G0-035-MIB-ENT2.clb
   Part No SW: 1S0 035 869 B    HW: 1S0 035 869 B
   Component: MU-E-D-EU     068 7288  
   Serial number: 01121600020889
   Coding: 02210000AA00000041111103008002001F0005C40001010001
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
   ASAM Dataset: EV_MUEnt4CGen2LGE 001032
   ROD: EV_MUEnt4CGen2LGE_VW12.rod
   VCID: B52280521409F12E61-80E0

No fault code found.

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Address 61: Battery Regul. (J840)       Labels:. 1K0-907-534.clb
   Part No SW: 1S0 907 534     HW: 1S0 937 090 
   Component: Batt.regelung H81 0744  
   Serial number: 0978 004170826
   Coding: 032B7856
   Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
   VCID: F0AC714623EB940672-80A4

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 1S0 915 181 D    HW: 1S0 915 181 D
   Component: J367-BDM  H08 0270 
   Serial number: 53328750486061927980

No fault code found.

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Address 69: Trailer (J345)       Labels:. 1K0-907-383-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 383 F    HW: 1K0 907 383 F
   Component: ConWysTrailer H07 0100  
   Revision: 3A001001    Serial number: 00000132425721
   Coding: 0100000100000000
   Shop #: WSC 00007 223 174336
   VCID: B02CB146E36BD40632-80E4

No fault code found.

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Address AD: Brake Sensors (J939)       Labels: 1S0-907-201.clb
   Part No SW: 1S0 907 201 A    HW: 1S0 907 201 A
   Component: CV-SENSOR     H08 0460  
   ASAM Dataset: EV_CVSen 001001
   ROD: EV_CVSen.rod
   VCID: A81C5926D3BB9CC6EA-80FC

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:27, VBatt start/end: 12.4V/12.4V)-----------

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Almost every value is different and this is measured at the exact same day and time, without the (cold) engine being started in between.

Please note that the adaptation for lower stop and upper stop are at about 35 mV higher on the desktop (same as uncond volt) than on the mobile. This is because I did a IDE03869-Test: charge pressure actuator in between the readings. The readings will go down by about 35 mV again once I start driving (is that normal btw?). Those are the only ones that are the same displayed on mobile as on desktop.

All the other values are completely different. I hope someone can help me with this. Thank you.
 
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Alexander91 said:
Almost every value is different and this is measured at the exact same day and time,

This is because I did a IDE03869-Test: charge pressure actuator in between the readings.
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I did wonder how you managed to connect with both VCDS and VCDS-Mobile concurrently?

But I agree that doesn't explain some of the very different readings...
 
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PetrolDave said:
I did wonder how you managed to connect with both VCDS and VCDS-Mobile concurrently?

But I agree that doesn't explain some of the very different readings...
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Haha yeah ok, you're right. First I did the mobile and after I took a desktop screenshot. Can't do it both at the same time ;) I basically meant, engine hasn't been started in between the readings ;)
 
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Alexander91 said:
Good day!


Please note that the adaptation for lower stop and upper stop are at about 35 mV higher on the desktop (same as uncond volt) than on the mobile. This is because I did a IDE03869-Test: charge pressure actuator in between the readings. The readings will go down by about 35 mV again once I start driving (is that normal btw?). Those are the only ones that are the same displayed on mobile as on desktop.

All the other values are completely different. I hope someone can help me with this. Thank you.
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Alexander: Hi.

hmm........... are the variations in readings really of concern given the time required to change from mobile to desktop? Some variations appear to be not unreasonable as a percentage of the underlying value and in others (like turbine inlet: offset - open), the difference may well be within acceptable limits over the switch-across time?

Perhaps a method for determining what is an acceptable variation with time - is to graph the suspect variable on desktop mode first (VCDS has a really neat facility for doing this) - maybe?

Once you understand the permissible rate-of-change of the metric ("first derivative" if you are a maths nerd-like me) -the difference in values across the switch-over time to the alternative VCDS-mode will make more sense (I think)

Don
 
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DV52 said:
hmm........... are the variations in readings really of concern given the time required to change from mobile to desktop? Some variations appear to be not unreasonable as a percentage of the underlying value and in others (like turbine inlet: offset - open), the difference may well be within acceptable limits over the switch-across time?
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I have that reaction to some of them, but others are different enough to bother me.

I'm confident this will get looked at.

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Alexander: Hi.

hmm........... are the variations in readings really of concern given the time required to change from mobile to desktop? Some variations appear to be not unreasonable as a percentage of the underlying value and in others (like turbine inlet: offset - open), the difference may well be within acceptable limits over the switch-across time?

Perhaps a method for determining what is an acceptable variation with time - is to graph the suspect variable on desktop mode first (VCDS has a really neat facility for doing this) - maybe?

Once you understand the permissible rate-of-change of the metric ("first derivative" if you are a maths nerd-like me) -the difference in values across the switch-over time to the alternative VCDS-mode will make more sense (I think)

Don
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Thank you for your reply!
The values in both mobile and desktop stay pretty much the same as shown in the screenshots. I've been keeping an eye on them for a couple of weeks now (I use mobile vcds when I go to work to monitor some values during driving) and there's not much of a difference when I log in to desktop vcds when I'm home. I mean, the 'desktop values' stay the same and the 'mobile values' stay the same. So the differences between them also stay the same (pretty much).

But as I don't like the readings on them both anyway, I'm going to try a new wastegate actuator, see if that brings some normal readings with it.

I have that reaction to some of them, but others are different enough to bother me.

I'm confident this will get looked at.
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Thanks! I'll keep an eye on it!
 
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One thing:

I went back to VCDS 19.6.2 today. Result:

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Slightly difference at IDE4302. Seems to be in a different order.

Label file is still 04E-907-309-V1.clb

Code: 
Tuesday,28,April,2020,16:58:18:18439
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 19.6.2.0 (x64)  HEX-NET CB: 0.4508.4
Data version: 20190930 DS308.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WVWZZZAAZHD054805   License Plate: G120BD



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                Address 01: Engine
Control Module Part Number: 04C 906 026 
  Component and/or Version: R3 1.0l TFS   X22 3537
           Software Coding: 00110032232401000000
            Work Shop Code: WSC 92521
                      VCID: DEF03FFEC17F12BF75-808A

Advanced Identification/FAZIT
     Identification: BPG-810
     Revision: WTX22---
     Date: 12.12.16
     Manufacturer number: 1320
     Test stand number: 0214
Flash Status
     Programming Attempts(application): 3/2/2/2
     Flash Date: 00.00.00
Misc.
     Hardware number: 04C 907 309 AG
     Workshop System Name: J623
     ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM10TFS01104C906026
     ASAM Dataset Revision: 001004
Car Info
     Chassis Number: WVWZZZAAZHD054805
     Engine code: CHZA
VCDS Info:
       VCID: DEF03FFEC17F12BF75-808A
       Labels: 04E-907-309-V1.clb
       Readiness: No script available
       ROD: EV_ECM10TFS01104C906026.rod

Mobile still shows the same as in screenshot above.

Hope this helps, otherwise ignore this post.
 
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Niels has helped us compare some simulated data to ODIS (the manufacturer's reference tool) and it looks like VCDS desktop is correct. We'll be working on a fix for mobile.
 
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