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Hi All,

My 2010 Audi 2.0T is in need of carbon buildup removal in the near future and the local German Auto Repair house quoted me $690 to walnut blast the intake valves.

They are using a setup they put together that consists of a blaster and vacuum. I have seen some YouTube videos that make this look pretty doable for the shade tree mechanic.

Any advice, warnings, or "Don't be an idiot, pay the professionals" comments are appreciated.

Thanks,

Greg
 
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You can buy adapters and tools to do it... or go full backyard:

I used a plastic scraper, small wire brush some petrol and some old toothbrushes. It doesn't have to be immaculate, just the chunks gone - but you can get it pretty good.
 
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Yeah well is carbon cleaning a listed requirement of a conformity certificate application, service book or RTFB procedure?

What's the miles on this car and have you considered submitting such a bill to the OEM for useful life warranty?

Do you have an MIL as a result of said carbon?

Ever read the JPPSG?

Post an auto-scan if you like & so we can see what it's made of?
 
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Yeah well is carbon cleaning a listed requirement of a conformity certificate application, service book or RTFB procedure?

What's the miles on this car and have you considered submitting such a bill to the OEM for useful life warranty?

Do you have an MIL as a result of said carbon?

Ever read the JPPSG?

Post an auto-scan if you like & so we can see what it's made of?

OK, it's been a long long while since my I started this thread. I'm back to considering this cleaning.

Jack, I think you are getting at whether this should be needed, now or ever.

I don't know if this is a recommended activity, I just read a lot about the carbon build up and the potential effects.

Car now has 166K miles.

No, I don't have an MIL that I think is attributed. Yes, I did read your JPPSG (but quite a while ago).

Do you think this activity is a waste of time? Would it be prudent to replace the fuel injectors at the same time? They are wear parts that eventually will fail right?

Recent scan is below:

Code:
Saturday,19,June,2021,16:01:59:43616
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 21.3.0.0 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4543.4
Data version: 20210226 DS325.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WAULFAFR9AA0XXXXX   License Plate: XXXXXXX
Mileage: 266540km-165620mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: FR-AU48 (8T0)
Scan: 01 02 03 05 06 08 09 15 16 17 19 2E 36 42 46 47 52 53 55 56
          77

VIN: WAULFAFR9AA0XXXXX   Mileage: 266540km-165620miles

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
06-Seat Mem. Pass -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
2E-Media Player 3 -- Status: OK 0000
36-Seat Mem. Drvr -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine (DL0MA-CAEB)       Labels:| 06H-907-115-CAB.clb
   Part No SW: 8K2 907 115 AL    HW: 8K2 907 115 D
   Component: 2.0l R4/4V TF H15 0001  
   Revision: E1H15---    
   Coding: 0114010A190F0160
   Shop #: WSC 09211 444 182470
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TFS0118K2907115AL 001001
   ROD: EV_ECM20TFS0118K2907115AL.rod
   VCID: 79AFEFA0A953F4C3C8D-802C

1 Fault Found:
4106 - Bank 1; System too Rich at Idle 
          P2188 00 [237] - -
          MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 266278 km
                    Date: 2021.06.14
                    Time: 09:29:10

                    Engine RPM: 814.00 /min
                    Normed load value: 16.5 %
                    Vehicle speed: 2 km/h
                    Coolant temperature: 86 °C
                    Intake air temperature: 34 °C
                    Ambient air pressure: 980 mbar
                    Voltage terminal 30: 14.112 V
                    Unlearning counter according OBD: 40

Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 02: Auto Trans (J217)       Labels:| 0B6-927-156.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 927 158 J    HW: 0B6 927 156 
   Component: 0B6 20TFSIUSA H05 0008  
   Revision: --H05---    
   Coding: 001012
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMAL651 A01006
   ROD: EV_TCMAL651.rod
   VCID: 3D273BB0FDFB08E3A45-8068

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 8K0-907-379-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 379 CA    HW: 8K0 907 379 CA
   Component: ESP8 quattro  H04 0010  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 150D18
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 7AADF0ACACD5FFDBC17-802E

No fault code found.

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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J393)       Labels:. 8K0-907-064-05.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 DG    HW: 8K0 907 064 DG
   Component: BCM2 1.1      H02 0324  
   Revision: 00002001    
   Coding: 090000
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 78A9EAA492D9EDCBB73-802C

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8T0 959 754 A    HW: 8T0 959 754 A
   Component: FBSAUDIB8 IDG  H37 0060 
   Serial number: 0509000049953018    

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 905 852 D    HW: 8K0 905 852 D
   Component: J764 ELV MLB  H37 0042 
   Serial number: 0209000063527007    

No fault code found.

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Address 06: Seat Mem. Pass (J521)       Labels:. 8T0-959-760.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 959 760 C    HW: 8T0 959 760 C
   Component: MEM-BFS       H10 0074  
   Revision: AA000000    Serial number: 00001010004295
   Coding: 08017025002400001000
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 43D34D489B9F7E13D21-8016

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels:. 8Tx-820-043-3Z.clb
   Part No SW: 8T1 820 043 AQ    HW: 8T1 820 043 AQ
   Component: KLIMA 3 ZONEN H08 0171  
   Revision: C1000000    Serial number: 01150920090294
   Coding: 64022000
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 00598244CA09A50B8F3-8054

1 Fault Found:
01330 - Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 12
                    Reset counter: 32
                    Mileage: 255205 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2020.08.11
                    Time: 19:07:10

             Freeze Frame:
                    Temperature: 30.0°C
                    Voltage: 11.80 V
                    Output: 0 W
                    Output: 0 W
                    Temperature: 26.0°C


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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 8K0-907-063.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 063 P    HW: 8K0 907 063 P
   Component: BCM1 1.0      H25 0380  
   Revision: 10025001    Serial number: 00000000340407
   Coding: 26001091063CAF010000080300003D3D0F1C528800010161000000
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 3C2136B4E66101EB93B-8068

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8T1 955 119 D    HW: 8J1 955 119   Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: WWS 120909  H14 0070 
   Serial number: SWF09090125441      
   Coding: 00FD11

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 955 559     HW: 8K0 955 559   Labels: 8K0-955-559.CLB
   Component: RLS  H04 0003 
   Serial number: 10596177            
   Coding: 02532C

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8K0 941 531 AN    HW: 8K0 941 531 AN
   Component: E1 - LDS  H08 0090 
   Serial number: 00000000002807091472

   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 8K0 907 410 B    HW: 8K0 907 410 B
   Component: HOMELINK  H01 0010 

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 8K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 655 H    HW: 8K0 959 655 H
   Component: AirbagVW-AU10 H37 0520  
   Serial number: 003EGD02CYY%  
   Coding: 303333334330303030304A55304C38543053
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaECUVWAUDI010 003010
   ROD: EV_AirbaECUVWAUDI010_003_AU48.rod
   VCID: 42DD484C8405771BD97-8016

   Seat occupied recognition: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 339     HW: 8K0 959 339 
   Component: BF-Gewichtss.  H01 0050 
   Serial number: 5810000R0900004E33

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 6334MSME4B754319H

   Front Passenger's Side Airbag Crash Sensor: 
   Serial number: 6344MSME4B4101511

   Rear Side Airbag Crash Sensor (on driver's side): 
   Serial number: 6352QSME6A3A0D02L

   Passenger side rear thorax airbag crash sensor: 
   Serial number: 6362QSME153B1228B

   Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 63732SME0D390C2E9

   Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 63832SME0539240AX

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels:. 8K0-953-568.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 953 568 F    HW: 8K0 953 568 F
   Component: Lenks.Modul   H16 0014  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 90319II8000EE 
   Coding: 000036
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 3D273BB0FD7B08E3A45-8068

   Component: E221 - MFL  H02 0003 

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:. 8T0-920-xxx-17.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 920 950 Q    HW: 8T0 920 950 Q
   Component: KOMBIINSTR.   H33 0255  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: CHU22J299     
   Coding: 8B1701000300D705020000
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 46D5545CA8AD4B3BF5F-8012

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 8T0-907-468.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 907 468 R    HW: 8T0 907 468 H
   Component: GW-BEM 5CAN   H06 0105  
   Revision: GB600050    Serial number: 5000G0990383BB
   Coding: 00C303
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 50F972045AE9958B5F3-8004

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 915 181 E    HW: 8K0 915 181 E
   Component: J367-BDM  H06 0170 
   Serial number: 1908C051250809      

No fault code found.

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Address 2E: Media Player 3 (R199)       Labels:. 8T0-035-785.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 035 785 A    HW: 8T0 035 785 
   Component: SG ext.Player H08 0280  
   Revision: 00000000    
   Coding: 020302
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 392F2FA0E95334C388D-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr (J136)       Labels:. 8T0-959-760.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 959 760 C    HW: 8T0 959 760 C
   Component: MEM-FS        H10 0074  
   Revision: AA000000    Serial number: 00001010004226
   Coding: 08017025002400001000
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 43D34D489B9F7E13D21-8016

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels:. 8K0-959-793.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 959 793 J    HW: 8T0 959 793 D
   Component: TSG FA        H07 1301  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 011C03224000120102
   Shop #: WSC 09211 444 175787
   VCID: 50F972045AE9958B5F3-8004

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv. (J393)       Labels:. 8K0-907-064-46.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 DG    HW: 8K0 907 064 DG
   Component: BCM2 1.1      H02 0324  
   Revision: 00002001    Serial number: 0121269251    
   Coding: 0106029A007A440400B0000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 06342 000 00000
   VCID: 78A9EAA492D9EDCBB73-802C

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 719     HW: 8K0 959 719 
   Component: GTO BF  H06 0050 
   Serial number: 00000000000000166955

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
   Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H03 1301 

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8R0 959 591 A    HW: 8R0 959 591 
   Component: J245EE19SKB12  H01 0220 
   Serial number: 0123456789ABCDEFGHIJ

3 Faults Found:
00218 - Humidity Sensor (G355) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 190
                    Mileage: 255205 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2020.08.11
                    Time: 19:07:14

02615 - Fuel Tank Cap; Lock 
            009 - Open or Short to Ground
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Reset counter: 199
                    Mileage: 255234 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2020.08.12
                    Time: 07:28:36

02616 - Fuel Tank Cap; Unlock 
            009 - Open or Short to Ground
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 4
                    Reset counter: 9
                    Mileage: 255234 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2020.08.12
                    Time: 17:02:18


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Address 47: Sound System (J525)       Labels:. 8T0-035-223-BOC.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 035 223 AR    HW: 8T0 035 223 AJ
   Component: DSP Prem      H17 0320  
   Revision: 00017001    Serial number: 34834004493702
   Coding: 0203010302
   Shop #: WSC 09211 444 175787
   VCID: 7EA5FCBCB0FDD3FBFDF-802A

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels:. 8K0-959-792.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 959 792 J    HW: 8T0 959 792 D
   Component: TSG BF        H07 1301  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 011C03224000120102
   Shop #: WSC 09211 444 175787
   VCID: 4FFB717847D78A73469-801A

No fault code found.

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Address 53: Parking Brake (J540)       Labels: 8K0-907-801-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 801 H    HW: 8K0 907 801 H
   Component: EPB Audi B8   H09 0100  
   Revision: 00000003    Serial number: 10000000312954
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 34311E94CE31C9AB5BB-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 8K0-907-357.clb
   Part No: 8K5 907 357 
   Component: Dynamische LWR  H01 0010  
   Revision: 00000001    Serial number:               
   Coding: 0000002
   Shop #: WSC 06324 000 00000
   VCID: 77ABE99893C7E2B3BE9-8022

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels:. 8Tx-035-1xx-56.clb
   Part No SW: 8T1 035 186 R    HW: 8T1 035 186 R
   Component: Con3 Sirius   H04 0351  
   Revision: 00000006    Serial number: AUZ5Z6I1267629
   Coding: 040300020104850043D9070800
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 46D5545CA8AD4B3BF5F-8012

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8T0 919 603 E    HW: 8T0 919 603 E
   Component: Display  

1 Fault Found:
02635 - Tuner Not Enabled/Activated 
            000 - -
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 7
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 190
                    Mileage: 255205 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2020.08.11
                    Time: 19:07:20


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Address 77: Telephone        Labels: 8P0-862-335.lbl
   Part No SW: 8T0 862 336 D    HW: 8T0 862 336 D
   Component: FSE_256x BT     H37 0600  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 00000005051481
   Coding: 0010370
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 3C2136B4EA6101EB93B-8068

No fault code found.

End----(Elapsed Time: 01:39, VBatt start/end: 11.7V/11.9V. VIgn 11.9V)-----
 
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I'm sorry Jack is no longer with us.

 
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I'm sorry Jack is no longer with us.

Oh no, horrible news! He definitely helped a lot of people on this forum. Seemed to be very generous with his expertise.
 
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I think I would start with (click on "here")
1 Fault Found: 4106 - Bank 1; System too Rich at Idle P2188 00 [237] - -
Here is a couple of YT videos to get you orientated
And, Here.
 
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I think I would start with (click on "here")

Here is a couple of YT videos to get you orientated
And, Here.
Thanks stefdds,

I had not seen the first video, but am familiar with the second. I have successfully used this video to help me find leaks causing lean condition as described in the video. Should I perform the reset without and with dipstick air leak as shown, or is this just for demonstration sake, and not helpful or diagnostic?

I have checked my air filter and it is clean, so not sure where to go next on the rich condition, although that is in part why I was asking the original question about changing the fuel injectors when I had the intake manifold off.

Do those injectors have a normal useful life? If one is not shutting off completely, it could cause this rich condition.

My interest in removing the carbon build up pre-dates this current code. I was given the impression that it was a helpful thing to do, even if there are no codes, or running problems.

Do you have an opinion on this? I would love to hear it!

On the subject of fuel injector replacement, I am not clear on what is required when it comes to seals. It seems the new ones come with some but not all of the seals needed. And that a tool kit is required to properly seat and size the teflon seal. In new injectors are used, are these fitted seals not already in place?

TIA,

Greg
 
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Just cleared the long term fuel trim per the video and this is the result:

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VIN: WAULFAFR9AA0XXXXX   License Plate: XXXXXXX



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                Address 01: Engine  (8K2 907 115 AL)

19:12:19
  IDE00597   Long term adaptation of mixture formation bank 1 0.0 %
  IDE00604   Short term adaptation of mixture formation bank 1 -25.0 %

Should I keep driving it, or park it until resolved? (I have other vehicles).
 
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HI Greg, In your case regarding the dipstick, that is a unmetered air diagnostic (lean condition), so feel free to try it and monitor the MB's. You never know.

Regarding the fuel injectors, a contaminated/clogged fuel injector leaking down (when engine isn't running) will leak down and drip fuel into the cylinder and can cause difficult starting (flooded condition) not to mention leaking and diluting the oil !

Monitor the oil level and there is also a ross-tech video on fuel rail system pressure ; there is a MB for it:
You can monitor the fuel rail pressure live to get a base line number and make note ; then, engine warmed up (coolant temp. at least 80 C) , turn off engine, then turn ignition / power ON, monitor fuel rail system pressure and within several seconds or so it should climb (because of engine heat soak increasing fuel rail system pressure ; if it doesn't climb 10 bar or more, you have a fuel injector bleeding off pressure and leaking fuel into the cylinder(s).

If you have one not atomizing the fuel (ie squirting a stream) that may trigger a rich condition.

I personally run liqui-moly fuel system cleaner in the fuel (about one ounce per gallon of fuel) at least every other fuel up to keep the injectors clear! Maintenance is easier than replacement!

De-carb is always helpful, usually done when intake is removed for other repairs etc. I suppose if it were limiting air intake ,it could cause a rich code , but I would think you would also get misfire codes as well with severe to moderate carbon build up.

You will need to explore a exploded diagram regarding injectors ( only purchase oem Audi or the oem manufacturer (who makes them for Audi) ; new injectors come with some of the seals , but, I think there is one o-ring on the top that goes into the rail that it does not come with: check a Audi dealer web-site as they have exploded diagrams you can study or of course a factory manual for your vehicle. If you need to get the tool you mention, you can get one on ebay or ECS tuning ; they are not expensive.

You can also check the 02 sensor with a DVOM (see YT videos). You need to unplug it and test with meter.

But, you need to test first ; I don't recommend you start "throwing" parts at the problem ; that usually does not go well !!!

 
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Just finished testing the fuel pressure. Idling with a pressure around 4,000 kPa. Shut off engine once coolant temp above 80c. Fuel pressure rose to over 11,000 kPa before I stopped measuring. So no leaky injector?
 
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Hi, if the fuel pressure rises due to the 'heat soaking' effect the hot engine has on the fuel in the rail, then yes it would be a good indication there are no High Pressure Fuel system leaks at that time.


Also you may want to try "Baking Soda" blasting material. It can be washed away with soap and water and gives you a 'glass bead' like finish. Check out the forum post I made a while back when I cleaned the BPY intake ports! (below)

Oh, very important, do not take your mother's, wife's or grandmother's kitchen type Baking Soda to do this work.. For one, they will be pissed at you and you may never get your homemade chocolate chip cookies.

And two, the "Bicarbonate Soda Abrasive" that is used is a special "crystalized" version of baking soda, so do not use it for any other purpose too!


Before:



After:




Hope this helps,

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Hi, if the fuel pressure rises due to the 'heat soaking' effect the hot engine has on the fuel in the rail, then yes it would be a good indication there are no High Pressure Fuel system leaks at that time.


Also you may want to try "Baking Soda" blasting material. It can be washed away with soap and water and gives you a 'glass bead' like finish. Check out the forum post I made a while back when I cleaned the BPY intake ports! (below)

Oh, very important, do not take your mother's, wife's or grandmother's kitchen type Baking Soda to do this work.. For one, they will be pissed at you and you may never get your homemade chocolate chip cookies.

And two, the "Bicarbonate Soda Abrasive" that is used is a special "crystalized" version of baking soda, so do not use it for any other purpose too!


Before:



After:




Hope this helps,

drpeter

Thank you, no arguing a before and after improvement!

Do you think the carbon build up could be solely responsible for the code I have?

I wanted to do it, but did not realize that I need to replace the fuel injector seals in the process and also need a special tool set to properly seal the new teflon seal.

Should I next check the oxygen sensors to see if they have proper resistance in the heaters?

The car actually runs fine for the most part. It takes about 40 miles of driving for the CEL to come back on with the rich condition code.

Of course the computer is reducing the fuel output by 25% so something must be wrong.
 
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Hello,

Do you think the carbon build up could be solely responsible for the code I have?

My first thoughts are No, the P2188-Bank 1; System too Rich at Idle fault code would most likely be set due to extra fuel entering into the combustion chamber. This could be due to a few different things and each should be checked:

Fuel Pressure (too high)​
Leaking fuel injector​
Leaking N80-EVAP Canister Purge valve​
Mass Air Flow Meter incorrect readings​
Faulty Oxygen Sensor​


The Official Factory Repair Information has a Generic Scan Tool - Repair Manual that tells you how to test for all sorts of generic OBD-II engine fault codes.


Personally, I would clean the intake, you may never know what you may find when doing this job, vacuum leaks, etc...


Hope that helps and keep us posted!


drpeter
 
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HI G, I would watch a few youtube videos on bench testing a O2 sensor (four wire) ; purchase a DVOM from Home Depot in the Electrical dept. $40-70 dollars. You could unplug it and test it while the sensor is in situ (ie still placed into the exhaust) ; but if you have a O2 sensor(s) socket/tool see if you can back it out (they are usually quite tight). IF YOU CAN, try to remove them when the exhaust is nice and Hot! Be careful. Pre cat and Post cat sensors.
There are also some MAF sensor diagnostics as well. Start with the simple and easy items as this will teach you some basic diagnostics. Test,test,test.......
 
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Thanks guys! I am going to download the factory repair info this weekend and start some testing as recommended. (I already have a DVOM).

Since last report a new development: the car sat for about 2 days and upon restart was idling so rough that it kept dying. It threw this code:

16804/P0420/001056 - Catalyst System; Bank 1: Efficiency Below Threshold

Does this narrow my search? I could not get the car to start and run (5 or 6 starts). I let it sit and went back about 1 hour later and it started and idled with no problem.

I can smell a hug e difference in the exhaust the last few weeks, when it's at running temp.

Greg
 
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@Gmickey: Not discounting previous suggestions - but... this is not a car that's in it's first flush of youth!!

What is the condition of the catalytic converter?

And as others have suggested, a malfunctioning Oxygen sensor could be implicated in both the latest and earlier DTCs. If the car has multiple oxy sensors- perhaps swap them - do the fault characteristics change?

Don
 
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Thanks for your questions and suggestions.

I did not download the factory manuals because the web site said they were experiencing credit card processing difficulties and it could take one business day to process. But it's only a 24 hour access I was buying, so didn't want to chance it going through on Monday while at work.

I did educate myself a bit on o2 sensors.

I logged some info on my VCDS but am confused by the results. Sensor 2 is fluctuating nicely between .1 and .9V but sensor 1 just sits around 1.4V which is higher than I thought the operating range to be.

Any insight for someone learning?

Marker​
TIME​
Loc. IDE00558​
TIME​
Loc. IDE00560-MAS04121​
STAMP​
Voltage of oxygen sensor bank 1 sensor 1 (broadband sensor)​
STAMP​
Oxygen sensor bank 1 sensor 2 (jump sensor)-Voltage​
V​
V​
0.18​
1.47​
0.28​
0.235​
0.63​
1.455​
0.73​
0.725​
1.07​
1.45​
1.17​
0.695​
1.52​
1.431​
1.62​
0.745​
1.96​
1.436​
2.09​
0.705​
2.39​
1.455​
2.5​
0.21​
2.86​
1.494​
2.97​
0.09​
3.29​
1.489​
3.4​
0.11​
3.72​
1.475​
3.84​
0.275​
4.14​
1.465​
4.25​
0.67​
4.57​
1.455​
4.67​
0.73​
5.01​
1.436​
5.12​
0.715​
5.46​
1.455​
5.56​
0.665​
5.88​
1.47​
5.98​
0.15​
6.32​
1.465​
6.42​
0.565​
6.75​
1.475​
6.86​
0.11​
7.18​
1.479​
7.28​
0.11​
7.61​
1.475​
7.72​
0.14​
8.02​
1.465​
8.12​
0.365​
8.46​
1.475​
8.59​
0.15​
8.88​
1.445​
8.98​
0.735​
9.32​
1.44​
9.42​
0.725​
9.75​
1.445​
9.86​
0.665​
10.18​
1.45​
10.29​
0.725​
10.61​
1.455​
10.72​
0.58​
11.03​
1.47​
11.14​
0.155​
11.46​
1.475​
11.56​
0.1​
11.88​
1.484​
11.98​
0.105​
12.32​
1.484​
12.42​
0.09​
12.77​
1.47​
12.87​
0.665​
13.21​
1.47​
13.31​
0.165​
13.65​
1.465​
13.75​
0.645​
14.07​
1.46​
14.17​
0.68​
14.5​
1.445​
14.61​
0.715​
14.93​
1.465​
15.03​
0.52​
15.38​
1.455​
15.48​
0.715​
15.82​
1.45​
15.92​
0.695​
16.25​
1.46​
16.36​
0.605​
16.68​
1.465​
16.78​
0.27​
17.11​
1.47​
17.22​
0.12​
17.54​
1.47​
17.64​
0.18​
17.96​
1.455​
18.06​
0.695​
18.39​
1.455​
18.5​
0.7​
18.82​
1.465​
18.92​
0.34​
19.26​
1.45​
19.37​
0.715​
19.71​
1.465​
19.81​
0.34​
20.15​
1.475​
20.25​
0.24​
20.57​
1.475​
20.67​
0.14​
20.99​
1.465​
21.1​
0.25​
21.43​
1.431​
21.55​
0.76​
21.88​
1.416​
21.98​
0.725​
22.35​
1.436​
22.43​
0.69​
22.76​
1.475​
22.86​
0.085​
 
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Hi Gmickey,
I would need to check the specification of your engine code to be sure, but from what you say, the sensor 1 is wideband and wouldn't fluctuate, the sensor 2 (post cat) is a zirconia type and is fluctuating because the cat is not working and may have even lost its monolith.
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OK, there are like 15 or 20 advanced measuring blocks associated with oxygen sensors. Are there any others I can look at to rule out the oxygen sensors?

I only ask because the cat (refurb) is like $1,300 to $2,400 depending on where I buy it online. I only paid $5K for the car about 25K miles ago, so that's a pretty big investment :eek:

I would hate to replace it without exhausting (look a pun) all the testing options!
 
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