09 rabbit 2.5 abs coding issue

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Replaced abs module with used one. Copied coding from old one thought it took but then all went back as before.

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Any advice and/or assistance appreciated!!!!

Before:

Code:
Friday,18,August,2017,08:52:37:56657
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64
VCDS Version: 17.8.0.1 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4401.4
Data version: 20170721 DS276.2
www.Ross-Tech.com

VIN: WVWAA71K09W005316   License Plate:

Chassis Type: 1K (1K0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 52 56 65
VIN: WVWAA71K09W005316   Mileage: 192660km-119713miles
01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
65-Tire Pressure -- Status: OK 0000
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (CBT)       Labels: 07K-906-055-CBT.clb
   Part No SW: 07K 906 055 Q    HW: 07K 906 055 M
   Component: 2,5l R5/4V      G   9971  
   Revision: G6H01---    Serial number: VWX7Z0H43N28H1
   Coding: 0000071
   Shop #: WSC 59277 001 1048576
   VCID: 3C223C9EDA6672F7472-8068
1 Fault Found:
049441 - No Communication with ABS Brake Control Module 
               U0121 - 000 -  - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 28
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 192620 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 12:20:20
             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 0 /min
                    Load: 0.0 %
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Temperature: 30.0°C
                    Temperature: 31.0°C
                    Absolute Pres.: 990.0 mbar
                    Voltage: 11.684 V
Readiness: 0000 0100
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes (-----)       Labels:. 1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 CD    HW: 1K0 907 379 AD
   Component: ESP MK60EC1   H35 0120  
   Coding: 113B400D492200FF880E02E5921F00413000
   Shop #: WSC 57415 001 1048576
   VCID: 76B6EEB6A8CAE8A7716-8022
No Faults Found
  or DTCs not supported by controller
  or a communication error occurred
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 1K0-820-047.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 820 047 HS    HW: 1K0 820 047 HS
   Component: Climatic PQ35   142 1111  
   Revision: 00142031    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 7CA2FC9E9AE6B2F7072-8028
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels:. 3C0-937-049-30-M.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C8 937 049 D    HW: 3C8 937 049 D
   Component: Bordnetz-SG     H54 2602  
   Revision: 00H54000    Serial number: 00000008262727
   Coding: 108D8F214004150047140000001400000008730B5C000100000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 01287 785 00200
   VCID: 323E12A60822B4879DE-8066
   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K1 955 119 E  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer 090508 021  0501  
   Coding: 00038805
   Shop #: WSC 01287 
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 AB    HW: 1K0 909 605 AB
   Component: 6K AIRBAG VW8R  034 8000  
   Revision: 05034000    Serial number: 003B6D0B7TE8  
   Coding: 0013899
   Shop #: WSC 01269 785 00200
   VCID: 6C82CCDEEA862277972-8038
   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 959 339 G
   Component: BF-Gewichtsens. 007 0007
   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6332MSME27235322/
   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6342MSME294173424
   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6352QSME65702D0DN
   Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 6362QSME63421221%
   Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 63727SME1638123D/
   Subsystem 7 - Serial number: 63827SME1638242D0
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 BN    HW: 1K0 953 549 BN
   Component: J0527           051 0101  
   Coding: 0000022
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 7F580B928BF0A9EF220-802A
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 920 954 S    HW: 1K0 920 954 S
   Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDD 1222  
   Revision: V0003000    Serial number: VWX7Z0H43N28H1
   Coding: 0007203
   Shop #: WSC 01287 785 00200
   VCID: 3C223C9EDA6672F7472-8068
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels:. 1K0-907-530-V3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 Q    HW: cï
   Component: J533__Gateway   cï 0202  
   Revision:   cï       Serial number: 0000K0851510A9
   Coding: E9801F070002020000
   Shop #: WSC 65536 002 1048824
   VCID: 353429BAF94CA3BFB8C-8060
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 920 954 S    HW: 1K0 920 954 S
   Component: IMMO            VDD 1222  
   Revision: V0003000    Serial number: VWX7Z0H43N28H1
   Shop #: WSC 57415 001 1048576
   VCID: 3C223C9EDA6672F7472-8068
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels:. 1K0-959-701-MIN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 M    HW: 1K0 959 701 M
   Component: Tuer-SG         006 1207  
   Coding: 0001077
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 382A208EEE5E5ED7A3A-806C
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-144-G2V3.clb
   Part No: 1K1 909 144 M
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.069 H08 1901  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 028 00001
   VCID: 353429BAF94CA3BFB8C-8060
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels:. 1K0-959-433-MAX.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CT    HW: 1K0 959 433 CT
   Component:    KSG PQ35 RDK 052 0221  
   Revision: 00052000    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 139006885103281B0904058FB0080A04889C80
   Shop #: WSC 57415 001 1048576
   VCID: 0452847EE216CA377F2-8050
   Subsystem 1 - Component:   Sounder n.mounted    
   Subsystem 2 - Component:       NGS n.mounted    
   Subsystem 3 - Component:      IRUE n.mounted    
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels:. 1K0-959-702-MIN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 702 M    HW: 1K0 959 702 M
   Component: Tuer-SG         006 1207  
   Coding: 0001076
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 392C258AD55447DF5C4-806C
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 56: Radio
Cannot be reached
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 65: Tire Pressure        Labels: 3C0-959-433-65.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CT    HW: 1K0 959 433 CT
   Component:    RDK              0450  
   Revision: 00052000    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 0100101
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 0452847EE216CA377F2-8050
No fault code found.
End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:16, VBatt start/end: 14.0V/14.0V)-----------

After:

Code:
Monday,04,September,2017,08:50:04:56657
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64
VCDS Version: 17.8.0.1 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4401.4
Data version: 20170721 DS276.2
www.Ross-Tech.com

VIN: WVWAA71K09W005316   License Plate:

Chassis Type: 1K (1K0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 52 56 65
VIN: WVWAA71K09W005316   Mileage: 192960km-119899miles
01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
65-Tire Pressure -- Status: OK 0000
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (CBT)       Labels: 07K-906-055-CBT.clb
   Part No SW: 07K 906 055 Q    HW: 07K 906 055 M
   Component: 2,5l R5/4V      G   9971  
   Revision: G6H01---    Serial number: VWX7Z0H43N28H1
   Coding: 0000071
   Shop #: WSC 59277 001 1048576
   VCID: 3C223C9EDA6672F7472-8068
1 Fault Found:
049441 - No Communication with ABS Brake Control Module 
               U0121 - 000 -  - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 28
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 192620 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 12:20:20
             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 0 /min
                    Load: 0.0 %
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Temperature: 30.0°C
                    Temperature: 31.0°C
                    Absolute Pres.: 990.0 mbar
                    Voltage: 11.684 V
Readiness: 0000 0000
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes (-----)       Labels:. 1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AE    HW: 1K0 907 379 AE
   Component: ESP MK60EC1   H35 0106  
   Revision: 00H35001    
   Coding: 000000000000000000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 75B4E9BAB5CCE3BF78C-8020
10 Faults Found:
01130 - ABS Operation 
            008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101000
                    Fault Priority: 1
                    Fault Frequency: 3
                    Reset counter: 5
                    Mileage: 99519 km
                    Time Indication: 0
             Freeze Frame:
                    Count: 4416
                    Count: 0
                    Count: 4608
                    Count: 125
                    Count: 48945
                    Count: 4391
                    Count: 512
                    Count: 0
01276 - ABS Hydraulic Pump (V64) 
            014 - Defective - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101110
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Reset counter: 5
                    Mileage: 100460 km
                    Time Indication: 0
             Freeze Frame:
                    Count: 71
                    Count: 32768
                    Count: 4608
                    Count: 104
                    Count: 50962
                    Count: 12114
                    Count: 512
                    Count: 0
00283 - ABS Wheel Speed Sensor; Front Left  (G47) 
            008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101000
                    Fault Priority: 1
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 5
                    Mileage: 100472 km
                    Time Indication: 0
             Freeze Frame:
                    Count: 16391
                    Count: 32768
                    Count: 13824
                    Count: 41
                    Count: 50255
                    Count: 65039
                    Count: 511
                    Count: 0
01314 - Engine Control Module 
            013 - Check DTC Memory - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101101
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 5
                    Mileage: 100472 km
                    Time Indication: 0
             Freeze Frame:
                    Count: 3
                    Count: 12
                    Count: 12544
                    Count: 8193
                    Count: 43264
                    Count: 0
                    Count: 0
                    Count: 0
01309 - Power Steering Control Module (J500) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 5
                    Mileage: 100472 km
                    Time Indication: 0
             Freeze Frame:
                    Count: 1
                    Count: 12
                    Count: 12544
                    Count: 8213
                    Count: 42752
                    Count: 0
                    Count: 0
                    Count: 0
01279 - Longitudinal Acceleration Sensor (G251) 
            005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100101
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 5
                    Mileage: 192963 km
                    Time Indication: 0
             Freeze Frame:
                    Count: 7
                    Count: 3
                    Count: 12288
                    Count: 212
                    Count: 38144
                    Count: 0
                    Count: 0
                    Count: 0
01435 - Brake Pressure Sensor 1 (G201) 
            005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100101
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 220
                    Mileage: 192963 km
                    Time Indication: 0
             Freeze Frame:
                    Count: 3
                    Count: 2
                    Count: 12288
                    Count: 279
                    Count: 44544
                    Count: 0
                    Count: 0
                    Count: 0
00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85) 
            005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100101
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 220
                    Mileage: 192963 km
                    Time Indication: 0
             Freeze Frame:
                    Count: 3
                    Count: 2
                    Count: 12288
                    Count: 295
                    Count: 44544
                    Count: 0
                    Count: 0
                    Count: 0
01423 - Lateral Acceleration Sensor (G200) 
            005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100101
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 220
                    Mileage: 66051 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2001.04.03
                    Time: 00:28:12
             Freeze Frame:
                    Count: 2314
                    Count: 16
                    Count: 1280
                    Count: 270
                    Count: 768
                    Count: 32000
                    Count: 104
                    Count: 1282
01042 - Control Module; Not Coded 
            000 -  - 
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 220
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2001.04.00
                    Time: 16:01:10
             Freeze Frame:
                    Count: 0
                    Count: 35093
                    Count: 256
                    Count: 195
                    Count: 8193
                    Count: 0
                    Count: 52997
                    Count: 288

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 1K0-820-047.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 820 047 HS    HW: 1K0 820 047 HS
   Component: Climatic PQ35   142 1111  
   Revision: 00142031    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 7CA2FC9E9AE6B2F7072-8028
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels:. 3C0-937-049-30-M.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C8 937 049 D    HW: 3C8 937 049 D
   Component: Bordnetz-SG     H54 2602  
   Revision: 00H54000    Serial number: 00000008262727
   Coding: 108D8F214004150047140000001400000008730B5C000100000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 01287 785 00200
   VCID: 323E12A60822B4879DE-8066
   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K1 955 119 E  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer 090508 021  0501  
   Coding: 00038805
   Shop #: WSC 01287 
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 AB    HW: 1K0 909 605 AB
   Component: 6K AIRBAG VW8R  034 8000  
   Revision: 05034000    Serial number: 003B6D0B7TE8  
   Coding: 0013899
   Shop #: WSC 01269 785 00200
   VCID: 6C82CCDEEA862277972-8038
   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 959 339 G
   Component: BF-Gewichtsens. 007 0007
   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6332MSME27235322/
   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6342MSME294173424
   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6352QSME65702D0DN
   Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 6362QSME63421221%
   Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 63727SME1638123D/
   Subsystem 7 - Serial number: 63827SME1638242D0
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 BN    HW: 1K0 953 549 BN
   Component: J0527           051 0101  
   Coding: 0000022
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 7F580B928BF0A9EF220-802A
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 920 954 S    HW: 1K0 920 954 S
   Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDD 1222  
   Revision: V0003000    Serial number: VWX7Z0H43N28H1
   Coding: 0007203
   Shop #: WSC 01287 785 00200
   VCID: 3C223C9EDA6672F7472-8068
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels:. 1K0-907-530-V3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 Q    HW: cï
   Component: J533__Gateway   cï 0202  
   Revision:   cï       Serial number: 0000K0851510A9
   Coding: E9801F070002020000
   Shop #: WSC 65536 002 1048824
   VCID: 353429BAF94CA3BFB8C-8060
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 920 954 S    HW: 1K0 920 954 S
   Component: IMMO            VDD 1222  
   Revision: V0003000    Serial number: VWX7Z0H43N28H1
   Shop #: WSC 57415 001 1048576
   VCID: 3C223C9EDA6672F7472-8068
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels:. 1K0-959-701-MIN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 M    HW: 1K0 959 701 M
   Component: Tuer-SG         006 1207  
   Coding: 0001077
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 382A208EEE5E5ED7A3A-806C
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-144-G2V3.clb
   Part No: 1K1 909 144 M
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.069 H08 1901  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 028 00001
   VCID: 353429BAF94CA3BFB8C-8060
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels:. 1K0-959-433-MAX.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CT    HW: 1K0 959 433 CT
   Component:    KSG PQ35 RDK 052 0221  
   Revision: 00052000    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 139006885103281B0904058FB0080A04889C80
   Shop #: WSC 57415 001 1048576
   VCID: 0452847EE216CA377F2-8050
   Subsystem 1 - Component:   Sounder n.mounted    
   Subsystem 2 - Component:       NGS n.mounted    
   Subsystem 3 - Component:      IRUE n.mounted    
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels:. 1K0-959-702-MIN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 702 M    HW: 1K0 959 702 M
   Component: Tuer-SG         006 1207  
   Coding: 0001076
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 392C258AD55447DF5C4-806C
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 56: Radio
Cannot be reached
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 65: Tire Pressure        Labels: 3C0-959-433-65.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CT    HW: 1K0 959 433 CT
   Component:    RDK              0450  
   Revision: 00052000    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 0100101
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 0452847EE216CA377F2-8050
No fault code found.
End----(Elapsed Time: 01:01, VBatt start/end: 11.8V/11.8V. VIgn 11.8V)-----
 
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Are you certain that 1K0-907-379-AE is an appropriate/suitable/compatible replacement for 1K0-907-379-CD?

Did you perform all the steps indicated in the Replacement section at the bottom of this page?

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Not sure if it's an appropriate replacement... do know it came from an 09 rabbit 2.5.

And doesn't the ABS module have take coding before you continue with the rest of the coding?

Thanks,
 
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They are known not to retain the coding if you don't go through the other steps.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (-----) Labels:. 1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb
Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 CD HW: 1K0 907 379 AD
Component: ESP MK60EC1 H35 0120


Address 44: Steering Assist Labels: 1Kx-909-144-G2V3.clb
Part No: 1K1 909 144 M
Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.069 H08 1901
Shop #: WSC 00000 028 00001
VCID: 353429BAF94CA3BFB8C-8060
No fault code found.

OP copy over coding and while in the same session please proceed with all 04 basic setting adaptions for the SAS etc. via security access in captions & in 0x03 ABS and 0x44 Steering even though there are no faults present and when complete, key cycled..... it should then save!

Failing to preform the adaptions in both modules when the ABS module has been swapped will result in this hoop of fire being required & even if someone states to the contrary.
 
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