VW 2.0 TDI Common Rail Injection Quantity Deviation - Tolerances

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Hello forum.

Not sure if I need to post a full autoscan for this but I will do anyway, just for the sake of it :)

Car is a VW Passat 2.0 TDI DSG 2011 - Engine Code : CFFB , Gearbox : MSV


So here it is.
Code:
Tuesday,29,November,2016,19:49:20:43630
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x86
VCDS Version: 16.8.3.1
Data version: 20161010 DS267.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: xxxx License Plate: 


Chassis Type: 3C (7N0)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 10 15 16 17 19 25 37 42 44 46 4F 52 53 56 57
          61 62 69 72 77

VIN: xxx Mileage: 188300km-117004miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
37-Navigation -- Status: Malfunction 0010
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: Malfunction 0010
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
4F-Centr. Electr. II -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
57-TV Tuner -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
61-Battery Regul. -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
69-Trailer -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000
 
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Address 01: Engine (J623-CFFB)       Labels: 03L-906-018-CFF.clb
   Part No SW: 03L 906 018 BG    HW: 03L 907 309 N
   Component: R4 2.0l TDI   H24 9978  
   Revision: 47H24---    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 001D0012042401080000
   Shop #: WSC 30058 181 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TDI01103L906018BG 003010
   ROD: EV_ECM20TDI01103L906018BG.rod
   VCID: 70E5CD92AB097DC24C-8024

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 0 0 1 

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 02E-927-770.clb
   Part No SW: 02E 300 054 J    HW: 02E 927 770 AL
   Component: GSG DSG AG6     511 2604  
   Revision: 05351112    Serial number: 00001101031170
   Coding: 0000020
   Shop #: WSC 99999 666 45725
   VCID: 1D3BC426C41BA0AAB7-8048

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 3AA-614-109.clb
   Part No SW: 3AA 614 109 N    HW: 3AA 614 109 N
   Component: J104   C2 450M VD88 0005  
   Revision: --H07---    Serial number: 00000003724336
   Coding: 0007603
   Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
   VCID: 387535B24BF9E58244-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: 5K0-907-044.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 907 044 EA    HW: 5K0 907 044 EA
   Component: Climatronic   H17 1010  
   Revision: 00003001    
   Coding: 0000000003
   Shop #: WSC 00015 115 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Climatronic A01010
   ROD: EV_ClimaAutoBasis_VW36.rod
   VCID: 6ED9D3EAB13D6B325E-803A

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: 3AA-937-087.clb
   Part No SW: 3AA 937 087 A    HW: 3AA 937 087 A
   Component: BCM PQ47 H    413 0452  
   Revision: BB413001    
   Coding: 000000000000000000180080740081E443710088436D85606488C7200041
   Shop #: WSC 05311 123 12345
   VCID: 387535B28BF9E58244-806C

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 3AB 955 419     HW: 3AB 955 419   Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer 22011  10  0603 
   Coding: 00B795

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 AH  Labels: 1K0-955-559-AG.CLB
   Component: RLS 270111 05  54  0403 
   Coding: 073028

No fault code found.

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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels: 3AE-919-475.clb
   Part No SW: 3AE 919 475     HW: 7N0 919 475 
   Component: PARKHILFE 8K  H04 0009  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 77601102901863
   Coding: 118102
   Shop #: WSC 99999 102 209715
   ASAM Dataset: EV_EPHVA18VW47X0000 001003
   ROD: EV_EPHVA18VW4280000.rod
   VCID: 7CFDE9A2F74109A2E0-8028

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 5N0-959-655.lbl
   Part No SW: 5N0 959 655 R    HW: 5N0 959 655 R
   Component: J234__101 VW10 HI   1918  
   Revision: 22014000    Serial number: 003K0P19JFFL  
   Coding: 0012337
   Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
   VCID: 4C9D79622F61792210-8018

   Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332MTS617520031 

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342MTS635900061 

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6351HTS61MP6M9KR 

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6361HTS6O6M5M9KR 

   Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 00000000000000000

   Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 00000000000000000

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels: 3C0-953-569.clb
   Part No SW: 3C9 953 501 BG    HW: 5K0 953 569 T
   Component: LENKS.MODUL   009 0136  
   Revision: FF010039    Serial number: 20110127200391
   Coding: 1992250000
   Shop #: WSC 00015 115 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_VW360SteerWheelUDS A03004
   ROD: EV_VW360SteerWheelUDS.rod
   VCID: 6FE7CEEEB637623A55-803A

   Multifunction steering wheel control module: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 3C8 959 537 D    HW: 3C8 959 537 D  Labels: 3C8-959-537.CLB
   Component: E221__MFL-TK6  H06 0022 
   Coding: E30000

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels: 3C8-920-xxx-17.clb
   Part No SW: 3AA 920 880 A    HW: 3AA 920 880 A
   Component: KOMBI         H02 0206  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 161F01
   Shop #: WSC 05314 115 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04089
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW25.rod
   VCID: 31630896608334CA03-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: 7N0-907-530-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 7N0 907 530 G    HW: 1K0 907 951 
   Component: J533  Gateway H41 1614  
   Revision:   H41       Serial number: 020211F2000092
   Coding: 462006
   Shop #: WSC 05314 000 00000
   VCID: 346D0182979101E268-8060

1 Fault Found:
00467 - TV Tuner (R78) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 18
                    Reset counter: 136
                    Mileage: 188229 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2016.11.29
                    Time: 00:58:30


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Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 3C0-959-433-25.clb
   Part No SW: 3AA 959 433     HW: 3AA 959 433 
   Component:    IMMO         043 0399  
   Revision: 00043000    Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
   Shop #: WSC 39108 001 1048576
   VCID: 76E9FB8A016D53F296-8022

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3C0 905 861 J
   Component:    ELV          029 0380
   3C0905861J     ELV          029 0380   

No fault code found.

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Address 37: Navigation (J0506)       Labels: 1T0-035-680.clb
   Part No SW: 1T0 035 680 D    HW: 1T0 035 680 B
   Component: RNS-MID       H02 4020  
   Revision: AB001001    Serial number: VWZ6Z7H8151012
   Coding: 06000402040000A80000
   Shop #: WSC 00800 011 00002
   VCID: 2F670EEE7EB7223A15-807A

1 Fault Found:
00857 - CD Changer Unit (R41) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 51
                    Reset counter: 136
                    Mileage: 188224 km
                    Time Indication: 0


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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels: 3C0-959-70X-GEN4.clb
   Part No SW: 3AA 959 701 A    HW: 3C0 959 793 C
   Component: TUER-SG FT    002 0529  
   Revision: 12110009    Serial number: 0002190955
   Coding: 0200F7
   Shop #: WSC 05311 115 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TSGFPQ35BRFVW46X A04001
   ROD: EV_TSGFPQ35BRFVW46X.rod
   VCID: 356B3C8694EB18EA5F-8060

   Slave Driver: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 3C0 959 703     HW: 3C0 959 795   Labels: 1K0-959-70X-GEN4.CLB
   Component: J388__TSG-HL  004 0407 
   Serial number: 00000001915109      
   Coding: 0000D0

1 Fault Found:
66048 - Motor for Front Window Regulator 
          B11EC 54 [008] - Missing Calibration / Basic Setting
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 7
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 174
                    Mileage: 188229 km
                    Date: 2016.11.29
                    Time: 00:58:20


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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 5N1-909-144.clb
   Part No SW: 5N1 909 144 L    HW: 5N1 909 148 G
   Component: J500__APA-BS KL.310 0802  
   Revision: 1AH03729    Serial number: 00110140123901
   Coding: 0000258
   Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
   VCID: 3B7F2ABE7ACFCE9AA9-806E

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 3C0-959-433-46.clb
   Part No SW: 3AA 959 433     HW: 3AA 959 433 
   Component:    KSG PQ47 ELV 043 0631  
   Revision: 00043000    Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
   Coding: 0091020052830E76300095157C084F0B607901
   Shop #: WSC 39108 001 1048576
   VCID: 76E9FB8A016D53F296-8022

   Subsystem 1 - Component:   Sounder n.mounted     

   Subsystem 2 - Component:       NGS n.mounted     

   Subsystem 3 - Component:      IRUE n.mounted     

No fault code found.

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Address 4F: Centr. Electr. II (J520)       Labels: 1K0-907-532.clb
   Part No SW: 7N0 907 532     HW: 1K0 907 951 
   Component: EZE_2         H41 1614  
   Revision:   H41       Serial number: 020211F2000092
   Coding: 00000008
   Shop #: WSC 05314 000 00000
   VCID: 6FE7CEEEBE37623A55-803A

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 3AA 919 204     HW: 3AA 919 204 
   Component: Analoguhr  003 0003 

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels: 3C0-959-70X-GEN4.clb
   Part No SW: 3AA 959 702 A    HW: 3C0 959 792 C
   Component: TUER-SG BT    002 0529  
   Revision: 14110009    Serial number: 0002181460
   Coding: 0200F6
   Shop #: WSC 05311 115 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TSGBPQ35BRFVW46X A04001
   ROD: EV_TSGBPQ35BRFVW46X.rod
   VCID: 36693B8A89ED13F256-8062

   Slave Passenger: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 3C0 959 704     HW: 3C0 959 794   Labels: 1K0-959-70X-GEN4.CLB
   Component: J389__TSG-HR  004 0407 
   Serial number: 00000001921350      
   Coding: 0000D0

1 Fault Found:
66048 - Motor for Front Window Regulator 
          B11EC 54 [008] - Missing Calibration / Basic Setting
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 7
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 174
                    Mileage: 188229 km
                    Date: 2016.11.29
                    Time: 00:58:18


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Address 53: Parking Brake        Labels: 3AA-907-801.clb
   Part No SW: 3AA 907 801 E    HW: 3AA 907 801 E
   Component: J540 EPB4  VW-55183 0007  
   Revision:   H18       Serial number: 00000000152805
   Coding: 0022067
   Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
   VCID: 336F029E529F06DA71-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (J0506)       Labels: 1T0-035-680.clb
   Part No SW: 1T0 035 680 D    HW: 1T0 035 680 B
   Component: RNS-MID       H02 4020  
   Revision: AB001001    Serial number: VWZ6Z7H8151012
   Coding: 06000402040000A80000
   Shop #: WSC 00800 011 00002
   VCID: 2F670EEE7EB7223A15-807A

1 Fault Found:
00857 - CD Changer Unit (R41) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 52
                    Reset counter: 136
                    Mileage: 188224 km
                    Time Indication: 0


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Address 57: TV Tuner
Cannot be reached

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Address 61: Battery Regul. (J840)       Labels: 1K0-907-534.clb
   Part No SW: 7N0 907 534     HW: 1K0 907 951 
   Component: Batt.regelung H41 1614  
   Serial number: 020211F2000092
   Coding: 030B185A
   Shop #: WSC 05314 000 00000
   VCID: 71E3C896A80374CA43-8024

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 1K0 915 181 F    HW: 1K0 915 181 A
   Component: J367-BDM  H07 0150 
   Serial number: 00000000009370452410

No fault code found.

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Address 69: Trailer (J345)       Labels: 7N0-907-383.clb
   Part No SW: 7N0 907 383     HW: 7N0 907 383 
   Component: Anhaenger     H09 0101  
   Revision: 3I001002    Serial number: 00000150088582
   Coding: 4106040000000000
   Shop #: WSC 05311 000 08193
   VCID: 73EFC29ED21F46DAB1-8026

No fault code found.

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Address 77: Telephone (J412)       Labels: 7P6-035-730.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 035 730 A    HW: 5K0 035 730 A
   Component: TELEFON       H09 1020  
   Revision: 1B001001    Serial number: 00007660771495
   Coding: 0200000000010110
   Shop #: WSC 00748 204 97393
   ASAM Dataset: UHVNA A01009
   ROD: UHVNA.rod
   VCID: 234FF2DE2A7F965A81-8076

No fault code found.

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Now, the question is :
I have changed all 4 injectors on my car , and long story short , I need to know what are the tolerances for the Injection Quantity Deviation ?

If I make some logging I can see some figures like :

Loc. IDE00021 Engine speed /min 830
Loc. IDE00102 Control Module temperature °C 2
Loc. IDE00196 Engine oil temperature °C 84
Loc. IDE00351 Main injection: start of activation ° -1.98
Loc. IDE00352 Main injection: duration of activation µs 597.2
Loc. IDE00365 Injection amount deviation cylinder 1 mg/stroke -0.06
Loc. IDE00366 Injection amount deviation cylinder 2 mg/stroke -0.55
Loc. IDE00367 Injection amount deviation cylinder 3 mg/stroke 0.21
Loc. IDE00368 Injection amount deviation cylinder 4 mg/stroke 0.36




Loc. IDE00021 Engine speed /min 834
Loc. IDE00102 Control Module temperature °C 4
Loc. IDE00196 Engine oil temperature °C 86
Loc. IDE00351 Main injection: start of activation ° -1.98
Loc. IDE00352 Main injection: duration of activation µs 574.8
Loc. IDE00365 Injection amount deviation cylinder 1 mg/stroke -0.24
Loc. IDE00366 Injection amount deviation cylinder 2 mg/stroke -0.3
Loc. IDE00367 Injection amount deviation cylinder 3 mg/stroke -0.01
Loc. IDE00368 Injection amount deviation cylinder 4 mg/stroke 0.56

Cylinder 4 will always be on the positive side up to some values like 0.6-0.7 at idle, but as I drive it can go up to 1.7-1.9 or more.

Is this normal or not ?
First 3 injectors are from same series with maximum 5000km driven , but the 4th one seems to be a bit older with maybe 15000km on it.
Injectors are not refurbished, just used.

So on a Common Rail of this type, what would be the max / min Injection Quantity Deviation allowed ?

If the number 4 is out of spec (maybe I should have changed in pairs) then I would order 2 more injectors from same series and replace the number 3 and 4 again just to have them from same series.

Thanks in advance.
 
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I don't have a specification for you but this data was from a brand new 2.0TDI in a NAR NMS. The VCDS version dates to 2012 so the IDEs didn't apply yet:

Idle:
198-0:Engine speed 832 /min
118-0:Main injection; start of activation -3.91 °
119-0:Main injection; duration of activation 579.6 µs
74-0:Injection amount deviation cylinder 1 -0.04 mg/stroke
75-0:Injection amount deviation cylinder 2 -0.03 mg/stroke
76-0:Injection amount deviation cylinder 3 0.04 mg/stroke
77-0:Injection amount deviation cylinder 4 0.04 mg/stroke
KOEO:
198-0:Engine speed 0 /min
118-0:Main injection; start of activation 0.00 °
119-0:Main injection; duration of activation 0.0 µs
74-0:Injection amount deviation cylinder 1 0.00 mg/stroke
75-0:Injection amount deviation cylinder 2 0.00 mg/stroke
76-0:Injection amount deviation cylinder 3 0.00 mg/stroke
77-0:Injection amount deviation cylinder 4 0.00 mg/stroke
Due to the wear factor (calibration changes) used fuel injectors don't match properly .. but the idea of getting used ones that match each other sounds like the next best step if you are avoiding entirely new parts.

http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/2.0L_CR_TDI#Special_Functions
 
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Thank you for the log and reply.

This does tell me what I believed, that new ones should adjust close to 0 but does not help me to much in what I am looking for.
My concern is that my number 4 could be out of the tolerated values, and I just needed to know what are the min / max values accepted and what can ECU compensate for and what not.

The problem is that the car vibrates at idle and while in gear , D or R. I can feel the vibration of the engine in my steering wheel and brake pedal.
This does not happen all the time so it is hard to diagnose.
Changing DMF , engine mounts , bushings , filters and all the other things did not help.

So I am trying to determine if the vibration comes from the idle stabilization or if it comes from somewhere else, and until now the injectors are the last thing I need to be sure of.

New injectors are a bit to expensive right now , somewhere around 5-600eur / piece while the used ones can be found for around 100.

Anyway I did order 2 other injectors from the same series and I will try to replace the last 2 so at least would balance 2 with 2.

Do you happen to have some values for such car under load / while driving ?

Thanks in advance.
 
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Hey Dana.

What about the Main injection: start of activation ?
Is this in the specs ?
I was thinking that can also be the damn cam belt that stretched and might need to be adjusted ?

I had it changed at VW for a few months ago.

Regards
 
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