1.8T AMU/AEB: 17748 - Camshaft Position Sensor (G40) / Engine Speed Sensor (G28)

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17748 - Camshaft Position Sensor (G40) / Engine Speed Sensor (G28) P1340 - 35-00 - Incor. Correlation
after engine build.

2001 Audi TT225
AMU block. New bearings, rods, rings, seals, oil pump.
Rebuild AEB head.
New VVT cam chain tensioner (not connected).
AMU valve cover (has vent, vs AEB no vent).
Existing Single Mass Flywheel (CM/Ringer Racing) and clutch.
New timing kit.
Existing Wideband O2 conversion to newer Golf ECU 8N0 906 018 K.

Replaced AEB cam timing plate (one window) to 4 window plate from AMU head.
Replaced AEB cam sprocket with AMU sprocket.

Done sofar:
- switched cam sensor 2 times
- test unplug cam sensor shows code
- test unplug crank sensor with engine running shut engine down (I am normally expect engine to run (off the cam sensor in limp mode) until shut off, but won't restart). Indicates to me that ECU cannot use or is not using cam sensor at all).
- verified timing. Cylinder (passenger side) physically at TDC, crank pulley TDC mark lines up. Cam sprocket mark lines up with valve cover mark. Camshaft 'squares' line up the cam holder bracket triangles.
- cam chain tensioner chain link count "15.5" see photo
- tried to find TDC mark on flywheel cut did NOT find (current waiting for Ringer Racing to inform if their Clutchmaster single mass flywheel have a TDC mark and how it looks like)

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17748 - Camshaft Position Sensor (G40) / Engine Speed Sensor (G28) P1340 - 35-00 - Incor. Correlation
after engine build.

2001 Audi TT225
AMU block. New bearings, rods, rings, seals, oil pump.
Rebuild AEB head.
New VVT cam chain tensioner (not connected).
AMU valve cover (has vent, vs AEB no vent).
Existing Single Mass Flywheel (CM/Ringer Racing) and clutch.
New timing kit.
Existing Wideband O2 conversion to newer Golf ECU 8N0 906 018 K.

Replaced AEB cam timing plate (one window) to 4 window plate from AMU head.
Replaced AEB cam sprocket with AMU sprocket.

Done sofar:
- switched cam sensor 2 times
- test unplug cam sensor shows code
- test unplug crank sensor with engine running shut engine down (I am normally expect engine to run (off the cam sensor in limp mode) until shut off, but won't restart). Indicates to me that ECU cannot use or is not using cam sensor at all).
- verified timing. Cylinder (passenger side) physically at TDC, crank pulley TDC mark lines up. Cam sprocket mark lines up with valve cover mark. Camshaft 'squares' line up the cam holder bracket triangles.
- cam chain tensioner chain link count "15.5" see photo
- tried to find TDC mark on flywheel cut did NOT find (current waiting for Ringer Racing to inform if their Clutchmaster single mass flywheel have a TDC mark and how it looks like)

photos (note: in some photos, cam square mark is off the triangle because TDC moved a bit and/or chain tensioner compressed):

https://drive.google.com/open?id=19p5SpKqemoSbMMVCgI3nvWRY2hn4cPyR
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1YdmKjVZTJy10WYmLRN-GF6bIkxbsAUNB
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1rpmhVCMNjyrDgiiLfFvAo0Igk7NX4lEc
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1hqWXZMEc_gKOse632hwB5PnfSF0HDo4S
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1BC-P43OcFj30j_Qv_SirIEPsk8KHQ1mf
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1wDt6UQ9pbaudeAbcIARN7IFFES9at_8r
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1RVYek9XCrgCHGIjSZSSEeXp8H4z4arTb


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LOL two posts for the price of one and a retrofit........

Not a qualified repair........wrong head, most likely wrong cams and or reluctor or out of time matched to later wrong ECU! :rolleyes:


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LOL two posts for the price of one and a retrofit........

Not a qualified repair........wrong head, most likely wrong cams and or reluctor or out of time matched to later wrong ECU! :rolleyes:


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"wrong head": Jack, you never heard of big port head swap? Wow. Its pretty much a standard performance swap on all small port 1.8T.
Cams: I think AMU and AEB cams are the same? I think all 1.8T cams from the various engines are the same, or?

Also forgot to mention: wrong turbo (large billet K04 hybrid), wrong injectors (currently 550cc Bosch EV14, Bosch 970cc standing by), wrong flywheel (single mass), wrong clutch (full face stage 5, cerametallic), wrong wheels (18x8.5), wrong tires (sticky Federal 595RS-RR), wrong shocks/springs (Bilstein), wrong Haldex (using aftermarket controller), wrong brakes, wrong pads (awesome Carbotech pads), wrong MAF (82mm ID, stock was at end of measuring range long time ago), wrong downpipe and exhaust.

What is a 'reluctor'? If it is 'wrong', what is the 'right' one? Block is AMU (same as old one/stock). Is that the trigger wheel on the crank? Used the one that was on the AMU engine.
 
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"wrong head": Jack, you never heard of big port head swap? Wow. Its pretty much a standard performance swap on all small port 1.8T.
Cams: I think AMU and AEB cams are the same? I think all 1.8T cams from the various engines are the same, or?

Also forgot to mention: wrong turbo (large billet K04 hybrid), wrong injectors (currently 550cc Bosch EV14, Bosch 970cc standing by), wrong flywheel (single mass), wrong clutch (full face stage 5, cerametallic), wrong wheels (18x8.5), wrong tires (sticky Federal 595RS-RR), wrong shocks/springs (Bilstein), wrong Haldex (using aftermarket controller), wrong brakes, wrong pads (awesome Carbotech pads), wrong MAF (82mm ID, stock was at end of measuring range long time ago), wrong downpipe and exhaust.

What is a 'reluctor'? If it is 'wrong', what is the 'right' one? Block is AMU (same as old one/stock). Is that the trigger wheel on the crank? Used the one that was on the AMU engine.
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Existing Wideband O2 conversion to newer Golf ECU 8N0 906 018 K.
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Your information is inconsistent.... :rolleyes:

Where is the auto-scan?

This ECU normally is not a wide band OXS ECU.....are you sure that is a Golf part number, because I show it as TT AMU?

Thread is cheesy for sure and don't you know how to setup timing being a standard performance requirement when building a motor?

http://forums.ross-tech.com/showthr...chain-with-adjuster-before-installing-a-bellt!

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I listed the wrong ECU part number (the listed one was the original AMU). The correct (current, and has not been installed prior to engine upgrade):
06A 906 032 LP

I don't have an 'auto' scan since the engine swap.

Here is recent engine scan, and below is an auto scan before engine swap (same configuration):

Code: 
Friday,27,July,2018,15:50:01:03761
VCDS Version: Release 18.2.1 (x64) Running on Windows 7 x64
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                Address 01: Engine       Labels: 06A-906-032-AWP.lbl
Control Module Part Number: 06A 906 032 LP
  Component and/or Version: 1.8L R4/5VT     G   0005
           Software Coding: 07500
            Work Shop Code: WSC 87119  
           Additional Info: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX     XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
                      VCID: 77FC663B55C3F5FC16-5140
1 Fault Found:

17748 - Camshaft Position Sensor (G40) / Engine Speed Sensor (G28) 
            P1340 - 35-00 - Incor. Correlation

Readiness: 0110 1000


Auto Scan before engine swap (ECU etc no change):

Code: 
Saturday,27,May,2017,11:17:59:36008
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64
VCDS Version: 17.1.3.0 (x64)
Data version: 20170320 DS267.7
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VIN: TRUWT28N711019949   License Plate: 


Chassis Type: 8N (8N - Audi TT (1999 > 2007))
Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 17 22 35 37 45 55 56 76 77

VIN: TRUWT28N711019949   
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Address 01: Engine        Labels: 06A-906-032-AMU.lbl
   Part No: 8N0 906 018 K
   Component: 1.8L R4/5VT     G   0003  
   Coding: 06710
   Shop #: WSC 87119  
   VCID: 3979957523D53A89EE-5140
   TRUWT28N711019949     AUZ5Z0Y9182139

2 Faults Found:
17544 - Fuel Trim: Bank 1 (Add) 
            P1136 - 35-00 - System too Lean
17978 - Engine Start Blocked by Immobilizer 
            P1570 - 35-10 -  - Intermittent
Readiness: 0100 0000

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 8N0-907-379-MK20-E.lbl
   Part No: 8N0 907 379 E
   Component: ESP     20    CAN  V005   
   Coding: 18446
   Shop #: WSC 01236  
   VCID: 3E7386693AFB1DB1DB-4AD2

2 Faults Found:
00287 - ABS Wheel Speed Sensor; Rear Right (G44) 
            35-00 -  - 
00287 - ABS Wheel Speed Sensor; Rear Right (G44) 
            16-10 - Signal Outside Specifications - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 8N0-820-043.lbl
   Part No: 8N0 820 043 A
   Component: TT-KLIMAVOLLAUTOMAT D03  
   Coding: 00140
   Shop #: WSC 01236  
   VCID: 285F4031C87FB30181-2570

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 8N8-909-601.lbl
   Part No: 8N8 909 601 
   Component: Airbag Front+Seite 2008  
   Coding: 10103
   Shop #: WSC 03055  
   VCID: 77FD534D5541ECF9D8-517C

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 8Nx-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No: 8N1 920 930 J
   Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. M73 D52  
   Coding: 07244
   Shop #: WSC 00000  
   VCID: 387F907118DF238111-4AD2
   TRUWT28N711019949     AUZ5Z0Y9182139

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 22: AWD        Labels: 02D-900-554.lbl
   Part No: 02D 900 554 D
   Component: HALDEX LSC  ECC     0011  
   VCID: 21495D15AB454249C6-4AEC

1 Fault Found:
01316 - ABS Control Module 
            79-10 - Please Check Fault Codes - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 35: Centr. Locks        Labels: 8Nx-962-267.lbl
   Part No: 8N8 962 267 A
   Component: Central Lock/Alarm  D04  
   Coding: 15884
   Shop #: WSC 01236  
   VCID: 3F8DFB6D3DF114B9D0-4E98

1 Fault Found:
01370 - Alarm triggered by Interior Monitoring 
            35-00 -  - 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 45: Inter. Monitor        Labels: 8E0-951-177.lbl
   Part No: 8N8 951 177 
   Component: Innenraumueberw.    D09  
   Coding: 00001
   Shop #: WSC 03055  
   VCID: 7CF74C616C67CFA1B5-515E

2 Faults Found:
01463 - Alarm triggered by Sensor for anti-theft alarm System 
            35-00 -  - 
01462 - Anti-theft alarm ultra sonic Sensor (G209) 
            53-10 - Supply Voltage Too Low - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 4B0-907-357-AUT.lbl
   Part No: 4B0 907 357 
   Component: LEUCHTWEITEREGLER  D004  
   Coding: 00010
   Shop #: WSC 01236  
   VCID: 65C10905FFED6E697A-51B6

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 56: Radio        Labels: 8D0-035-1xx-56.lbl
   Part No: 8N0 035 186 A
   Component:  Radio              D05  
   Coding: 00517
   Shop #: WSC 01236  
   VCID: 2E53B629EA9BED314B-4AD2
   Note: Excessive Comm Errors


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I listed the wrong ECU part number (the listed one was the original AMU). The correct (current, and has not been installed prior to engine upgrade):
06A 906 032 LP

I don't have an 'auto' scan since the engine swap.

Here is recent engine scan, and below is an auto scan before engine swap (same configuration):
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You mean downgrade & since with deletes of AECD's......... Tomato/Tamoto!

Okay, so what exact cam components are in the AEB head and is the reluctor attached from what engine or cam set and are you actually now running the adjustable camshaft with adjuster or are you negating this and using the manual one from the AEB/AMU?

Certainly not a qualified repair or permitted conformity being still inconsistent! :rolleyes:

Did you read the aforementioned link?

That's why JPPSG!

http://forums.ross-tech.com/showthr...essional-Problem-Solver-Guide-quot-JPPSG-quot

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You're OUT!

I see you stripped the bolt holding down the cam adjuster!

American car clamps and bolts to plug holes says half ass all the way!



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Jack@European_Parts said:
Okay, so what exact cam components are in the AEB head and is the reluctor attached from what engine or cam set and are you actually now running the adjustable camshaft with adjuster or are you negating this and using the manual one from the AEB/AMU?
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Cam components in AEB head: AEB cam, AEB cam chain, VVT cam chain tensioner (not connected; for future use). AMU exhaust cam sprocket. AMU four window intake cam sensor indicator plate. AMU cam sensors.
 
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You're OUT!

I see you stripped the bolt holding down the cam adjuster!

American car clamps and bolts to plug holes says half ass all the way!
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Why don't you just say "I don't know" (or just don't answer/post at all if you have nothing to contribute) and let others who have dealt with modified engines chime in?
Plastering non related comments and opinions is not helping me.

So either TRY to contribute, or stay off this thread.
 
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Why don't you just say "I don't know" (or just don't answer/post at all if you have nothing to contribute) and let others who have dealt with modified engines chime in?
Plastering non related comments and opinions is not helping me.

So either TRY to contribute, or stay off this thread.
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Oh I'm indeed contributing, you are not listening!

Sure no broken key-ways..........?

If you do shit work I point it out so you can correct it.

Do you know how to count?

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No symptoms for that AFAIK. Engine runs perfectly smooth.
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Ahhh ahhh did you know because you clearly dont know that when a timing key-way is broken or set wrong possibly "retarded" it idles smoother typically?

You are not listening to me or VCDS and only showing your skill level right?

When timing is over advanced doesn't VCDS report it in the positive deviation & did you read my aforementioned links?
But error codes returns consistently, and block 093 shows -23 KW "idle stabilization".
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1e8...DGdyPGYwGUM_U4
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You don't say? -23 what does a minus (-) sign mean?


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The exhaust cam sprocket keyway is confirmed good.
I don't know the condition of the of the crank sprocket keyway. When piston 1 is at TDC, the crank pulley timing mark (bolts to the crank sprocket) lines up with the TDC timing mark on the cover.
I cannot verify flywheel TDC since the single mass flywheel from CM does not have a TDC mark.
 
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Jack@European_Parts said:
You don't say? -23 what does a minus (-) sign mean?
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You are almost there. Lets just rephrase YOUR question and we are back at MY original question: what might be causing the -23 (and the error code)? See top of post.
 
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Can someone check the photos and do a chain link 'count' for me; maybe I am counting wrong?


https://drive.google.com/open?id=1EnxA-J-m5ryqBBKeIVK7x7_pFxAZ7Afr


https://drive.google.com/open?id=19p5SpKqemoSbMMVCgI3nvWRY2hn4cPyR

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1YdmKjVZTJy10WYmLRN-GF6bIkxbsAUNB

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1rpmhVCMNjyrDgiiLfFvAo0Igk7NX4lEc

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1hqWXZMEc_gKOse632hwB5PnfSF0HDo4S

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1BC-P43OcFj30j_Qv_SirIEPsk8KHQ1mf

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1wDt6UQ9pbaudeAbcIARN7IFFES9at_8r

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1RVYek9XCrgCHGIjSZSSEeXp8H4z4arTb
 
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The exhaust cam sprocket keyway is confirmed good.
I don't know the condition of the of the crank sprocket keyway. When piston 1 is at TDC, the crank pulley timing mark (bolts to the crank sprocket) lines up with the TDC timing mark on the cover.
I cannot verify flywheel TDC since the single mass flywheel from CM does not have a TDC mark.
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You can take the pan off and observe the G28 reluctor window at 6 o'clock position & verify rock point of piston to triangulate the crank gear/harmonic or remove it to inspect it.

Who makes a flywheel or installs one without making such critical marks?....."seems very dumb no"?

You are almost there. Lets just rephrase YOUR question and we are back at MY original question: what might be causing the -23 (and the error code)? See top of post.
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Exactly what I aforementioned in questions and you keep dismissing instead of listening!

Can someone check the photos and do a chain link 'count' for me; maybe I am counting wrong?
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https://forums.ross-tech.com/showth...d-Sensor-(G28)&p=136655&viewfull=1#post136655
 
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