Disable fog light bulb warning?

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Car is a 2014 NMS Passat TDI SEL. I have looked around everywhere and cant find a definitive answer on this. I put LED headlights and foglights in my car and they work great but I kind of figured they would throw bulb warnings, and they do. Only at startup though. After starting, the warning goes away and everything works as it should, all the lights turn on and off like they should, throw no warnings, and the fogs even fade on and off like they should. I read that disabling an option called "Cold monitoring" for the bulbs will get rid of this startup check, but I cant seem to find it anywhere in my CECM. I know I can get a canbus adapter that should fix the issue, but I would like to solve it with coding if possible.

For the time being, I managed to turn off the headlight bulb warning by selecting Byte 14, Bit 4 in the CECM "Xenon Headlights (w/o shutter) installed". I believe this gets rid of the startup check based on the nature of xenon lights, and the LED headlights seem to work just fine with no issues at all with this selected.

I cant find any option like that for the foglights. If anyone knows a way to shut off the warning or trick the car into thinking everything is correct, please let me know. Here is a full auto scan if it is needed.

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Tuesday,30,November,2021,17:24:08:05267
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 21.9.0.2 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4555.4
Data version: 20210903 DS330.0
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VIN: 1VWCN7A33EC035442   License Plate:


Chassis Type: A3-VW41 (7N0)
Scan: 01 02 03 05 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 2B 2E 36 37 42 44 46 47 4F
          52 56 62 72 75 77

VIN: 1VWCN7A33EC035442   Mileage: 75740km-47062miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
2B-Steer. Col. Lock -- Status: OK 0000
2E-Media Player 3 -- Status: OK 0000
36-Seat Mem. Drvr -- Status: OK 0000
37-Navigation -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
4F-Centr. Electr. II -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
75-Telematics -- Status: Malfunction 0010
77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine (J623-CKRA)       Labels:. 03L-906-022-CFC.clb
   Part No SW: 03L 997 009 J    HW: 03L 907 309 S
   Component: R4 2.0l TDI   H24 9982
   Revision: 71H24---    Serial number:                CVN: D240C61F38D3FF82
   Coding: 001D0012042400008000
   Shop #: WSC 09459 444 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TDI01103L997009J 004005
   ROD: EV_ECM20TDI01103L997009J.rod
   VCID: 3B233361B3E4E9E3B23-806E
   VINID: 0669D37874430D54C00C51040803B054A7

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 0 1 1

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 02E-927-770.clb
   Part No SW: 02E 300 062 B    HW: 02E 927 770 AL
   Component: GSG DSG AG6     521 9437
   Revision: 05652104    Serial number: 00001307220582
   Coding: 0000020
   Shop #: WSC 09003 957 00200
   VCID: 1471B8DDF27AC69B139-8040

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 BL    HW: 1K0 907 379 BL
   Component: ESP MK60EC1   H31 0152
   Revision: 00H31001  
   Coding: C54BC0F5492500FFA30F03E8921B0042A71000
   Shop #: WSC 09003 957 00200
   VCID: 7DA7FD79EDF027D3CC7-8028

No fault code found.

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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J518)       Labels:| 5K0-959-434.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 959 434 B    HW: 5K0 959 434
   Component: VWKESSYPQ35GP 086 1101
   Revision: 00086000    Serial number: 0194023358
   Coding: 130C1C
   Shop #: WSC 09003 957 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_KESSYPQ35G A02013
   ROD: EV_KESSYPQ35G_A02_VW31.rod
   VCID: 3431185D9EBA269B739-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels:| 5K0-907-044.clb
   Part No SW: 561 907 044 AB    HW: 561 907 044 AB
   Component: Climatronic   H03 0505
   Revision: 00001K01  
   Coding: 0038019012
   Shop #: WSC 09003 957 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ACClimaBHBVW411 A01001
   ROD: EV_ACClimaBHBVW411_VW41.rod
   VCID: 57EB8FD12F8C2D83B6B-8002

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 1K0-937-08x-09.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 937 087 AE    HW: 5K0 937 087 AE
   Component: BCM PQ35 H+   122 0173
   Revision: BL122001  
   Coding: EF200E3FEC2B2AD409880201360091C802F1A00045A015B064806800BC70
   Shop #: WSC 04715 001 104857
   VCID: 78A9EC6DC2D202FB9F1-802C

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 AH  Labels: 1K0-955-559-AG.CLB
   Component: RLS 010615 05  54  0403
   Coding: 07300A

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 5C0 959 655 AE    HW: 5C0 959 655 AE
   Component: AirbagVW10G   014 0851
   Serial number: 003MWM032WD0
   Coding: 00004D4A
   Shop #: WSC 44082 004 1048576
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10SMEVW360 001026
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW10SMEVW360.rod
   VCID: 75B7E559D5407F93847-8020

   Seat occupied recognition:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5C6 959 339 B    HW: 5C6 959 339 B
   Component: BF-Gewichtss.  H10 0046
   Serial number: 6940000Y130000Y8L900
   Coding: 303047

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side:
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 354     HW: 5K0 959 354
   Component: S.Sens.Fahr.V  H02 ----
   Serial number: 3572MSME24124176ZZZK

   Front Passenger's Side Airbag Crash Sensor:
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 354     HW: 5K0 959 354
   Component: S.Sens.Beif.V  H02 ----
   Serial number: 3582MSME0046207DZZZQ

   Rear Side Airbag Crash Sensor (on driver's side):
   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 351 A    HW: 5K0 959 351 A
   Component: S.Sens.Fahr.H  H02 ----
   Serial number: 3516KSME70073527ZZZK

   Passenger side rear thorax airbag crash sensor:
   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 351 A    HW: 5K0 959 351 A
   Component: S.Sens.Beif.H  H02 ----
   Serial number: 3526KSME0D532327ZZZP

   Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side:
   Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 659 A    HW: 5K0 959 659 A
   Component: F.Sens.Fahr  H02 ----
   Serial number: 3556LSME570B3C27ZZZ+

   Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side:
   Subsystem 7 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 659 A    HW: 5K0 959 659 A
   Component: F.Sens.Beif  H02 ----
   Serial number: 3566LSME370A3C27ZZZ$

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels:| 5K0-953-569.clb
   Part No SW: 1K5 953 521 AR    HW: 5K0 953 569 E
   Component: LENKS.MODUL   016 0140
   Revision: FF010042    Serial number: 20130807300345
   Coding: 000A140000
   Shop #: WSC 09003 957 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSNGVOLWSXS A01004
   ROD: EV_SMLSNGVOLWS.rod
   VCID: 7DA7FD79ED7027D3CC7-8028

   Multifunction steering wheel control module:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 3C8 959 537 D    HW: 3C8 959 537 D  Labels: 3C8-959-537.CLB
   Component: E221__MFL-YVJ  H07 0022
   Coding: E20000

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5K0-920-XXX-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 561 920 970 G    HW: 561 920 970 G
   Component: KOMBI         H04 0811
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 031C00
   Shop #: WSC 09003 957 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04721
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW36.rod
   VCID: 1E65DAF500369CCBB5D-804A

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 7N0-907-530-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 7N0 907 530 AM    HW: 7N0 907 530 AM
   Component: J533  Gateway H55 1642
   Revision:   H55       Serial number: 13091303000858
   Coding: 461000
   Shop #: WSC 09003 957 00200
   VCID: 7BA3F361F3E429E3F23-802E

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234
   Component: IMMO          H04 0811
   Serial number:              
   Coding: 000007
   Shop #: WSC 09003 957 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03710
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_VW21.rod
   VCID: 6A8DC6258CFEA06B195-803E

No fault code found.

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Address 2B: Steer. Col. Lock (J764)       Labels:* 5K0-905-861.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 905 861 C    HW: 5K0 905 861 C
   Component: ELV-PQ35      H21 0240
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 13000151648003
   Coding: 4900000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 09003 957 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ELVMarquMPVW36X A01001
   ROD: EV_ELVMarquMPVW36X.rod
   VCID: 3039144D6AA21ABB171-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 2E: Media Player 3
Cannot be reached

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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr (J136)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 561 959 760 B    HW: 561 959 760 B
   Component: MEM-FS        H04 0182
   Revision: AA000000    Serial number: 00000073459481
   Coding: 00581B0000000000000021010100202020202120202020
   Shop #: WSC 09003 957 00200
   VCID: 221DEE0534CEB82B915-8076

No fault code found.

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Address 37: Navigation (J0506)       Labels:. 1T0-035-680.clb
   Part No SW: 3C0 035 684 Q    HW: 3C0 035 684 J
   Component: RNS-MID       H21 5382
   Revision: AB001001    Serial number: VWZ6Z7N3145019
   Coding: 04090042010000A4000B
   Shop #: WSC 09003 957 00200
   VCID: 313F1149612813B318F-8064

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7L6 919 859
   Component: NAR V12  8534

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels:| 3C0-959-70X-GEN4.clb
   Part No SW: 561 959 701 A    HW: 3C0 959 793 C
   Component: TUER-SG FT    002 0525
   Revision: 12110009    Serial number: 0007280237
   Coding: 0405FD
   Shop #: WSC 09003 957 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TSGFPQ25BRFVW46X A04001
   ROD: EV_TSGFPQ25BRFVW46X.rod
   VCID: 1C61D0FD162A8EDB5B9-8048

   Slave Driver:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 561 959 811 B    HW: 561 959 811 B  Labels: 1K0-959-70X-GEN4.CLB
   Component: J388__TSG_HL  006 5470
   Serial number: 14202630130913150408
   Coding: 800000

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1K0-909-14x-GEN3.clb
   Part No: 1K0 909 144 R
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 290    3501
   Revision: 00H22000  
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 392F2969B558DBF3A0F-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 47: Sound System (R12)       Labels: 5K0-035-456.clb
   Part No SW: 5C6 035 456 A    HW: 5C6 035 456 A
   Component: KonzernAmp10K H07 6813
   Revision: --------    Serial number: EAA098A0068833
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AudioVerst10KanalSTT3 S01001
   ROD: EV_AudioVerst10KanalSTT3_VW36.rod
   VCID: 2615F2155866440BFDD-8072

No fault code found.

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Address 4F: Centr. Electr. II (J520)       Labels:. 1K0-907-532.clb
   Part No SW: 7N0 907 532     HW: 7N0 907 530 AM
   Component: EZE_2         H55 1642
   Revision:   H55       Serial number: 13091303000858
   Coding: 01030108
   Shop #: WSC 09003 957 00200
   VCID: 6FBBD731B79C45434EB-803A

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 561 959 591     HW: 561 959 591
   Component: J245 P05 FFD7  H07 0004
   Serial number: 53388786011314501622
   Coding: 181100

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 561 919 204 B    HW: 561 919 204 B
   Component: Analoguhr  008 0005

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels:| 3C0-959-70X-GEN4.clb
   Part No SW: 561 959 702 A    HW: 3C0 959 792 C
   Component: TUER-SG BT    002 0525
   Revision: 14110009    Serial number: 0007299225
   Coding: 0405FC
   Shop #: WSC 09003 957 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TSGBPQ25BRFVW46X A04001
   ROD: EV_TSGBPQ25BRFVW46X.rod
   VCID: 1D67DDF90D3087D3AC7-8048

   Slave Passenger:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 561 959 812 B    HW: 561 959 812 B  Labels: 1K0-959-70X-GEN4.CLB
   Component: J389__TSG_HR  006 5470
   Serial number: 14102631130913172138
   Coding: 800000

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (J0506)       Labels:. 1T0-035-680.clb
   Part No SW: 3C0 035 684 Q    HW: 3C0 035 684 J
   Component: RNS-MID       H21 5382
   Revision: AB001001    Serial number: VWZ6Z7N3145019
   Coding: 04090042010000A4000B
   Shop #: WSC 09003 957 00200
   VCID: 313F1149612813B318F-8064

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7L6 919 859
   Component: NAR V12  8534

No fault code found.

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Address 75: Telematics (J949)       Labels:| 12E-035-284.clb
   Part No SW: 561 035 285     HW: 561 035 285
   Component: OCULowUSA     014 0086
   Serial number: 000003554140504
   Coding: 02140102C2423A007F1606000000
   Shop #: WSC 09003 957 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_OCULow 001010
   ROD: EV_OCULow_001.rod
   VCID: 53F37BC13B7401A34A3-8006

2 Faults Found:
9458195 - Control Module for Cellular Telephone
          B1052 13 [009] - Open Circuit
          [roofline module open load]
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 4
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 116
                    Mileage: 75745 km
                    Date: 2021.11.30
                    Time: 17:22:15

2103041 - Control Module
          B1788 F0 [009] - Start Prohibition Deactivated
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 8
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 116
                    Mileage: 75745 km
                    Date: 2021.11.30
                    Time: 17:22:15


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Address 77: Telephone (J412)       Labels:| 5N0-035-729.clb
   Part No SW: 5N0 035 729 A    HW: 5N0 035 729 A
   Component: TELEFON       H05 0315
   Revision: 1B001001    Serial number: 00007665082982
   Coding: 0A10030080010110
   Shop #: WSC 09003 957 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_UHVUMI 001007
   ROD: EV_UHVUMI.rod
   VCID: 2E050A3570960C4B05D-807A

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:21, VBatt start/end: 12.3V/12.3V)-----------
 
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PQ35 BCMs are not terribly flexible via the normal diagnostic methods when it comes to this stuff...

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PQ35 BCMs are not terribly flexible via the normal diagnostic methods when it comes to this stuff...

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That figures. I guess I will go with the canbus adapters then.

Do you happen to know if using the xenon option for the headlights will cause any issues? They seem to be working fine but I just want to make sure. I can’t use canbus adapters for the headlight bulbs because these are the vw specific leds that have the contacts built in on the led itself that way it twists right into the factory housing like an oem bulb. So there are no wires to connect a canbus harness to.
 
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Do you happen to know if using the xenon option for the headlights will cause any issues?
No, I do not know if that is likely to cause issues with your LED bulbs, sorry.

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No, I do not know if that is likely to cause issues with your LED bulbs, sorry.

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Oh I’m not too worried about the bulbs. I don’t expect you to troubleshoot them. I was wondering if there were any known issues/problems with having the bcm set to xenons without actual xenons installed. I’m assuming there probably isn’t since they’ve been fine so far. Just figured I’d check in case anyone has gone down this path before and had an issue at some point.

Thanks for taking the time to respond btw. You have an awesome forum here with so much useful information.
 
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There is LED out there that will not throw light bulb warning.
 
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There is LED out there that will not throw light bulb warning.
I saw those on another forum I’m on. I was thinking about ordering from them but $150 for a pair of fog light bulbs was a bit more than I wanted to spend. You get what you pay for though so I’m sure they work as they should.
 
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That figures. I guess I will go with the canbus adapters then.

Do you happen to know if using the xenon option for the headlights will cause any issues? They seem to be working fine but I just want to make sure. I can’t use canbus adapters for the headlight bulbs because these are the vw specific leds that have the contacts built in on the led itself that way it twists right into the factory housing like an oem bulb. So there are no wires to connect a canbus harness to.
What is a canbus adapter?? Are you referring to a load resister?
 
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There seems to be an awful lot of misleading information put out by manufacturers of aftermarket LED bulbs, specifically the claim that they are 'CAN bus compatible'.

Since AFAIK no actual bulb has CAN bus connected to it this is incorrect use of the term - what they actually mean is that the LED bulb has some extra circuitry in it that they HOPE will make halogen bulb failure detection systems think that a halogen bulb is still connected, which has nothing to do with being connected, or not, to the CAN bus.
 
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There seems to be an awful lot of misleading information put out by manufacturers of aftermarket LED bulbs, specifically the claim that they are 'CAN bus compatible'.

Since AFAIK no actual bulb has CAN bus connected to it this is incorrect use of the term - what they actually mean is that the LED bulb has some extra circuitry in it that they HOPE will make halogen bulb failure detection systems think that a halogen bulb is still connected, which has nothing to do with being connected, or not, to the CAN bus.
Yeah the terminology is definitely not correct. All they are is “try to keep the car happy” boxes lol. I’m sure someone just started with the term forever ago and it stuck.
 
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What is a canbus adapter?? Are you referring to a load resister?
“Canbus adapters” and “load resistors” are a bit different. Load resistors are pretty much what they sound like. Just an in-line resistor that increases load on the circuit to mimic having a halogen bulb connected, which tricks the car into thinking everything is fine. These typically get very hot and have to be mounted to metal.

Canbus adapters (which as we stated above aren’t really canbus related) are typically not a resistor but a bank of small capacitors and circuitry that also tries to mimic the load of a halogen, but differently than a load resistor. The capacitors also can get smooth out some bulb flicker. These usually don’t get near as hot.

Theoretically, a resistor may be what the car needs because the only time it throws a bulb warning is at startup, when the car goes around and kind of “pings” the bulbs to make sure they are there. I’m not sure a canbus adapter will solve this problem, but a resistor should. I just really don’t want to use a resistor.
 
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I saw those on another forum I’m on. I was thinking about ordering from them but $150 for a pair of fog light bulbs was a bit more than I wanted to spend. You get what you pay for though so I’m sure they work as they should.
Yes but you get also life time warranty . So to me it is worth .
 
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Just figured I’d update this thread in case anyone in the future is having issues as well.

The canbus adapters took care of the bulb out warning for the fog lights, and the headlights are still working fine with the xenon option selected in the CECM. So everything is working as it should with no warning lights whatsoever.
 
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