2002 Passat 2.8L Missing Message from ABS Controller

jblue20th · Apr 21, 2016

A friend bought this car quite used with the ABS light on, among others. He brought it over and I scanned it, then cleared it. He got a new ABS controller, installed it, and we're still getting codes. I tried to login per the instructions in the wiki with no joy.

As was:

Code:

Thursday,25,February,2016,14:32:56:59113
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64
VCDS Version: 15.7.3.0 (x64)
Data version: 20151216
www.Ross-Tech.com
Chassis Type: 3B (3B - VW Passat B5 (1997 > 2005))

Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 19 35 36 37 46 47 55 56 57 58 75 76 77
VIN:    Mileage: 230010km-142921miles

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Address 01: Engine        Labels: 078-907-551-ATQ.lbl

   Part No: 3B0 907 551 CG

   Component: 2.8L V6/5V      G   0001  

   Coding: 07501

   Shop #: WSC 00028  

   VCID: 6ADB9F571699006ECF-5140

   WVWPH63B22P189333     VWZ7Z0A4249291



6 Faults Found:

17978 - Engine Start Blocked by Immobilizer 

            P1570 - 35-10 -  - Intermittent

18057 - Powertrain Data Bus 

            P1649 - 35-00 - Missing Message from ABS Controller

17819 - Secondary Air Injection System; Bank 2 

            P1411 - 35-00 - Insufficient Flow

17584 - Bank1: O2 (Lambda) Correction Behind Catalyst 

            P1176 - 35-10 - Control Limit Reached - Intermittent

16523 - Oxygen (Lambda) Sensor B1 S2 

            P0139 - 35-10 - Response too Slow - Intermittent

16826 - EVAP Emission Control Sys 

            P0442 - 35-10 - Small Leak - Intermittent

Readiness: 0000 0000



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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl

   Part No: 6Q0 909 605 C

   Component: 09 AIRBAG VW6  04   0004  

   Coding: 12345

   Shop #: WSC 00028  

   VCID: 377D762315AB6D8680-4AE8



1 Fault Found:

00532 - Supply Voltage B+ 

            07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent



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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 3B0-920-xx5-17.lbl

   Part No: 3B0 920 927 B

   Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRSP VDO V03  

   Coding: 07235

   Shop #: WSC 00000  

   VCID: 2447B16FB43D161E35-5124

   WVWPH63B22P189333     VWZ7Z0A4249291



2 Faults Found:

01176 - Key 

            07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent

01316 - ABS Control Module 

            49-00 - No Communications



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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl

   Part No: 6N0 909 901 

   Component: Gateway K<->CAN    0001  

   Coding: 00006

   Shop #: WSC 00028  

   VCID: 70EF8D3F3045FABE81-5106



1 Fault Found:

01316 - ABS Control Module 

            49-00 - No Communications



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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1C0-959-799.lbl

   Part No: 1C0 959 799 C

   Component: 08 Komfortgerát HLO 0001  

   Coding: 00258

   Shop #: WSC 00028  

   VCID: 377D762315AB6D8680-4AE8



   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1C1959801

   Component: 08 Tõrsteuer.FS KLO 0002  



   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1C1959802

   Component: 08 Tõrsteuer.BF KLO 0002  



   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1C0959811

   Component: 08 Tõrsteuer.HL KLO 0002  



   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 1C0959812

   Component: 08 Tõrsteuer.HR KLO 0002  



1 Fault Found:

00913 - Window Regulator Switch; Front Right Driver (E81) 

            29-00 - Short to Ground



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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 3B7-035-1xx-56.lbl

   Part No: 3B7 035 180 

   Component:    Radio NP2        0005  

   Coding: 00031

   Shop #: WSC 00028  

   VCID: 5DB1C48BD7D767D63A-5124



No fault code found.



End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 05:01)--------------------------

After clearing all:

Code:

Thursday,25,February,2016,16:57:40:59113
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64
VCDS Version: 15.7.3.0 (x64)
Data version: 20151216
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WVWPH63B22P189333   License Plate: 


Chassis Type: 3B (3B - VW Passat B5 (1997 > 2005))

Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 19 35 36 37 46 47 55 56 57 58 75 76 77

         

 

VIN: WVWPH63B22P189333   Mileage: 230010km-142921miles

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Address 01: Engine        Labels: 078-907-551-ATQ.lbl

   Part No: 3B0 907 551 CG

   Component: 2.8L V6/5V      G   0001  

   Coding: 07501

   Shop #: WSC 00028  

   VCID: 6ADB9F571699006ECF-5140

   WVWPH63B22P189333     VWZ7Z0A4249291



1 Fault Found:

18057 - Powertrain Data Bus 

            P1649 - 35-00 - Missing Message from ABS Controller

Readiness: 0110 1101



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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl

   Part No: 6Q0 909 605 C

   Component: 09 AIRBAG VW6  04   0004  

   Coding: 12345

   Shop #: WSC 00028  

   VCID: 377D762315AB6D8680-5124



No fault code found.



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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 3B0-920-xx5-17.lbl

   Part No: 3B0 920 927 B

   Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRSP VDO V03  

   Coding: 07235

   Shop #: WSC 00000  

   VCID: 2447B16FB43D161E35-5124

   WVWPH63B22P189333     VWZ7Z0A4249291



1 Fault Found:

01316 - ABS Control Module 

            49-00 - No Communications



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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl

   Part No: 6N0 909 901 

   Component: Gateway K<->CAN    0001  

   Coding: 00006

   Shop #: WSC 00028  

   VCID: 70EF8D3F3045FABE81-5124



No fault code found.



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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1C0-959-799.lbl

   Part No: 1C0 959 799 C

   Component: 08 Komfortgerát HLO 0001  

   Coding: 00258

   Shop #: WSC 00028  

   VCID: 377D762315AB6D8680-4B00



   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1C1959801

   Component: 08 Tõrsteuer.FS KLO 0002  



   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1C1959802

   Component: 08 Tõrsteuer.BF KLO 0002  



   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1C0959811

   Component: 08 Tõrsteuer.HL KLO 0002  



   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 1C0959812

   Component: 08 Tõrsteuer.HR KLO 0002  



No Faults Found

  or DTCs not supported by controller

  or a communication error occurred



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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 3B7-035-1xx-56.lbl

   Part No: 3B7 035 180 

   Component:    Radio NP2        0005  

   Coding: 00031

   Shop #: WSC 00028  

   VCID: 5DB1C48BD7D767D63A-5124



No fault code found.



End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 05:12)--------------------------

Then after replacing the ABS controller (and doing some regular maintenance):

Code:

VCDS Version: Release 15.7.4 (x64) Running on Windows 7 x64
Data version: 20160216
www.Ross-Tech.com

Thursday,21,April,2016,15:08:22:59113

Chassis Type: 3B (3B - VW Passat B5 (1997 > 2005))
Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 19 35 36 37 46 47 55 56 57 58 75 76 77
         
 
VIN: WVWPH63B22P189333   Mileage: 237100km-147327miles
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine        Labels: 078-907-551-ATQ.lbl
   Part No: 3B0 907 551 CG
   Component: 2.8L V6/5V      G   0001  
   Coding: 07501
   Shop #: WSC 00028  
   VCID: 6ADB9F571699006EC0-5140
   WVWPH63B22P189333     VWZ7Z0A4249291

1 Fault Found:
18057 - Powertrain Data Bus 
            P1649 - 35-00 - Missing Message from ABS Controller
Readiness: 0010 1001

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 8E0-614-111-EDS.lbl
   Part No: 8E0 614 111 A
   Component: ABS/EDS 5.3 QUATTRO D10  
   Shop #: BB 24334  
   VCID: 1C37898F8C4D2EDE82-5140

1 Fault Found:
00285 - ABS Wheel Speed Sensor; Front Right (G45) 
            30-00 - Open or Short to Plus

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
   Part No: 6Q0 909 605 C
   Component: 09 AIRBAG VW6  04   0004  
   Coding: 12345
   Shop #: WSC 00028  
   VCID: 377D762315AB6D868F-5124

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 3B0-920-xx5-17.lbl
   Part No: 3B0 920 927 B
   Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRSP VDO V03  
   Coding: 07235
   Shop #: WSC 00000  
   VCID: 2447B16FB43D161E3A-5124
   WVWPH63B22P189333     VWZ7Z0A4249291

2 Faults Found:
01176 - Key 
            07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent
01316 - ABS Control Module 
            49-00 - No Communications

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
   Part No: 6N0 909 901 
   Component: Gateway K<->CAN    0001  
   Coding: 00006
   Shop #: WSC 00028  
   VCID: 70EF8D3F3045FABE8E-5124

1 Fault Found:
01316 - ABS Control Module 
            49-00 - No Communications

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1C0-959-799.lbl
   Part No: 1C0 959 799 C
   Component: 08 Komfortgerát HLO 0001  
   Coding: 00258
   Shop #: WSC 00028  
   VCID: 377D762315AB6D868F-4B00

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1C1959801
   Component: 08 Tõrsteuer.FS KLO 0002  

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1C1959802
   Component: 08 Tõrsteuer.BF KLO 0002  

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1C0959811
   Component: 08 Tõrsteuer.HL KLO 0002  

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 1C0959812
   Component: 08 Tõrsteuer.HR KLO 0002  

1 Fault Found:
00928 - Locking Module for Central Locking; Front Driver Side (F220) 
            27-10 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent

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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 3B7-035-1xx-56.lbl
   Part No: 3B7 035 180 
   Component:    Radio NP2        0005  
   Coding: 00031
   Shop #: WSC 00028  
   VCID: 5DB1C48BD7D767D635-5106

No fault code found.

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 04:54)--------------------------

He replaced the wheel speed sensor, but that didn't fix it. Also I saw on a similar post Uwe request block 125. It's ABS 0 / Instruments 1. We checked and made sure the controller is properly plugged in, top and bottom, as well as the wheel speed sensor. Thanks for any help!

Jack@European_Parts · Apr 21, 2016

What about the harness from ABS 0x03 to sensor?

RTFB the WD please and conduct tests or swap pins from right to left at 0x03 to verify the fault moves or use jumper wire overlay.

Clear the DTC's in gateway 0x19 as they may be sending or preventing the message from vacating in 0x01 since the ABS has failed to complete a self test upon replacement.

Uwe · Apr 21, 2016

I *think* he has the wrong ABS controller. This appears to be a quattro/4-motion ABS module lacking ASR in a front-wheel drive car that's expecting an ABS with ASR (and maybe ESP as well).

-Uwe-

Jack@European_Parts · Apr 21, 2016

Well the cars did come in 4 motion stick 2x2 and yeah ESP......or ASR that ECU supports both coding tables.

Further it is with the same attributes as the 3B0-907-551BS; & that was an unwritten service action internal flash update for CATS and EVAP N80 + Sebastian would always yell at me about when I mentioned it.

Support was for Passat and Audi A6 or A6Q stick or auto.

Jef · Apr 21, 2016

Braking systems - 1AJ - Anti-spin regulation (ABS/ASR/EDL) with electronic differential lock (EDL)

Repair kit part number for this VIN is 8E0 998 375 J.
Complete kit part number is 8E0 614 111 AQ.

Those part numbers do not cross reference to the installed 8E0 614 111 A unit, so yeah, wrong ABS module has been installed.

jyoung8607 · Apr 21, 2016

Uwe said:
I *think* he has the wrong ABS controller. This appears to be a quattro/4-motion ABS module lacking ASR in a front-wheel drive car that's expecting an ABS with ASR (and maybe ESP as well).

Yep. Seen this on the forum five or six times now for the B5/B5.5 Passat, and I don't even follow all threads anymore, it's gotten too busy.

Elaborating on that: every single time we've seen a mismatched module, it's been paired with a front-right ABS sensor code. I don't know what's different about them, but we've seen it with an AWD module in FWD car and also a FWD module in AWD car. I think it's worth adding an annotation to the 00285 article in the Ross-Tech Wiki, something to the effect of "stop and check for ABS module FOD before doing any other diagnostics." I can try to dig up some old examples for evidence if you want.

Jason

jblue20th · Apr 21, 2016

Thanks for the info, all of you! We'll change out the controller with the right part number and go from there. Damn "Q."

Jack@European_Parts · Apr 21, 2016

This is what happens when you go down the FOD fork in the road.

You know what ..........?
This bullshit is happening so often lately, I think it's time to start requesting pictures of white tag in trunk, to determine build against auto-scan data as a cross check.
It's what I do in shop.

Jacks Professional Problem Solver Guide. "JPPSG"

Make / Model / Year / and edition.

Step 1 Tag of PR-Build data picture ( Last 6 of VIN can be omitted for privacy )

Step 2 Status of car stock or modified in any way? If so list!

Step 3 "VCDS" COMPLTETE Auto-Scan in code tags!

Step 4 Describe recent repairs or services, problem at hand, and attempts at repair.

Step 5 Are parts OEM or AFT? If so, what and what origin?

Step 6 Identify specific issues to be addressed/concerned about, or say ALL.

Good Information Guideline.

1 Focus discussion on symptom description!

2 Ask questions that clarify what, when, where, and frequency.

3 Summarize your understanding and get agreement in forum.

4 Explain what you will do to proceed and get forum acknowledgement.

5 Do you have a proper repair manual? If not get one!

6 Do you know how to read a schematic? If not see "How to read WD section" or link to Jef.

7 Check part #s are accurate and firmware versions of VCDS + respective controllers are of latest release.

Diagnosing, Brain storming, & the Final Solution!

1 Describe problem ( List known symptoms ) Nix opinions or disguised solutions

2 Verify & Analyze ( Duplicate if possible & list possible causes RTFB the tree & TSB )3 Locate the problem ( Prioritize and identify work times + safety limits and chemicals or tool requirements )

4 Repair the Problem ( Determine the cause & not just treat and effect )

5 Conduct a quality Check of your work and verify you fixed it!
Always follow up reporting back to the Forum to help the next guy.

Jef · Apr 22, 2016

I'll go with a shorter than than Jack:

http://forums.ross-tech.com/showthread.php?1997-Can-I-go-with-used-parts-Maybe

2002 Passat 2.8L Missing Message from ABS Controller

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