2008 T5 Transporter J519 failure?

andythechief · Jul 16, 2018

One fine day I opened my van to be met with flashing hazard lights, a wiper stalk which turns on the horn- I don't recall what the horn now does! Alarm going off constantly too. Central locking does still work fine. Engine starts no problem but still hazard lights, alarm etc continue to do what they want.

The van has had a genuine cruise control retrofitted by me some years ago.

Full scan:

Code:

Saturday,14,July,2018,10:40:30:61795
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64
VCDS Version: 18.2.1.5 (x64)
Data version: 20180518 DS287.2
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WV1ZZZ7HZ9H012117   License Plate: 
Mileage: 180980km-112455mi   Repair Order: 20180714_1



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Chassis Type: 7H (7H - VW Transporter/Multivan (2003 > 2010))
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 0B 0D 15 16 17 18 19 1C 22 2D 37 45 46 47 56
          57 6E 76 77 78 7D
 
VIN: WV1ZZZ7HZ9H012117   Mileage: 180980km-112455miles
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Address 01: Engine        Labels: 070-906-016-BPC.clb
   Part No SW: 070 906 016 EC    HW: 070 906 016 EC
   Component: R5 2,5L EDC G001SG  2539  
   Revision: --H06---    Serial number: VWZ7Z0H6765279
   Coding: 0001172
   Shop #: WSC 66565 257 00032
   VCID: 55A60D0AFFF035EC27-5168

1 Fault Found:
001384 - Cruise Control Switch (E45) 
               P0568 - 000 - Implausible Signal
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 180981 km
                    Time Indication: 0

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 0 /min
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Load: 0.0 %
                    Voltage: 11.02 V
                    Bin. Bits: 00001000
                    Bin. Bits: 11000000
                    (no units): 0.0

Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0 

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 7H0-907-37x-ABS.clb
   Part No SW: 7H0 907 379 S    HW: 7H0 907 379 S
   Component: (M)ABS MK25E        0103  
   Revision: 00H21001    
   Coding: 0000092
   Shop #: WSC 02736 790 00000
   VCID: 4586DD4A0F50856C57-512E

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No: 7H0 820 045 AM
   Component: CLIMA/AC            0303  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 70E85C9E605270C4D4-514A

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels:. 7H0-937-049.lbl
   Part No: 7H0 937 049 AD
   Component: BORDNETZ SGVER 1.0  2101  
   Coding: 0000102
   Shop #: WSC 02736 790 00000
   VCID: 74E0508E144A4CE430-514A

8 Faults Found:
00909 - Windshield Wiper Motor (V) Stage 1/2 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
00906 - Horn (H1) 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
00901 - Back-Up Lamps 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
00457 - Control Module for Network (J519) 
            014 - Defective
00920 - Heated Outside Mirrors; Driver Side (Z4) / Passenger Side (Z5) 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
02092 - Enabling Heated Seat 
            006 - Short to Plus
00886 - Turn Signal Switch (E2) 
            008 - Implausible Signal
00991 - Interior Lights 
            007 - Short to Ground - Intermittent

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
   Part No: 1C0 909 605 A
   Component: 3C AIRBAG VW51      0011  
   Coding: 13123
   Shop #: WSC 02736  
   VCID: 224C66D6AE3E925412-512E

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 7Hx-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No: 7H0 920 951 T
   Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRSP VDO V03  
   Coding: 00413
   Shop #: WSC 00373  
   VCID: 3D76B5AA3780CDAC0F-514A
   WV1ZZZ7HZ9H012117     VWZ7Z0H6765279

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
   Part No: 6N0 909 901 
   Component: Gateway K<->CAN    0001  
   Coding: 00022
   Shop #: WSC 02736  
   VCID: 70E85C9E305270C4D4-514A

No fault code found.

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Address 22: AWD        Labels: None
   Part No: 7H0 907 554 F
   Component: HALDEX 4Motion      2110  
   Coding: 0000002
   Shop #: WSC 02736 790 00000
   VCID: 3362939251C40BDCE9-512E

No fault code found.

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Address 45: Inter. Monitor        Labels: 7Hx-951-171.lbl
   Part No: 7H0 951 171 B
   Component: Innenraumueberw.    2920  
   Coding: 0000021
   Shop #: WSC 02737 790 00000
   VCID: 295E71FA8308410C53-51FC

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 7H0-959-433.lbl
   Part No: 7H0 959 433 B
   Component: C1W Komfortgerát     0004  
   Coding: 00020
   Shop #: WSC 02736  
   VCID: 326C9696FEDE02D4E2-4B28

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio        Labels: None
   Part No SW: 7H0 057 152 HX    HW: 7H0 057 152 HX
   Component: Radio LG3           0018  
   Revision: 00009000    Serial number: VWZCZ5I0100151
   Coding: 0020200
   Shop #: WSC 00461 210 87671
   VCID: 0302035241E47B5C39-514A

4 Faults Found:
00874 - Treble Speaker Front Left (R20) 
            011 - Open Circuit
00875 - Treble Speaker Front Right (R22) 
            011 - Open Circuit
00870 - Bass Speaker Front Left (R21) 
            011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
00871 - Bass Speaker Front Right (R23) 
            011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 05:55)--------------------------

I will of course check fuses and I've ordered a secondhand J519 (address 09) for a quick test once coded.

The power cable to the module under the drivers seat (address 46?) was sorted a few years ago.

From experience, I know J519 faults can lead you down abstract avenues....the last one being to a vacuum valve failure on the 4motion diff lock of all things.

I'm away for a few days so I am gathering info so that hopefully upon my return I can hit the ground running and get the van back on the road again.

Any thoughts/pointers appreciated.

DrPeter · Jul 19, 2018

Hello,

Any thoughts/pointers appreciated.

I bet it rains where you are...

I would check for possible water damage, corrosion, etc... with the connectors and the controller (that controller looks like the old Passat/A4 type, it lived in a swimming pool when it rained :P )

You can also check the Measuring Value Block group [015] in the [46-Central Conv.] to see the last 'Alarm Sources'.
Field 1 to 4 will show you the history of what triggered the alarm. Use the mouse to hover over the field you want more information about.

Of course this all depends if the source of the alarm was real.

Hope that helps,

drpeter

myounus · Jul 21, 2018

Oh dear it looks like your BCM is on its way out.

Jack@European_Parts · Jul 21, 2018

00457 - Control Module for Network (J519)
014 - Defective

Time for a BCM but before you change it............ take apart and tank it, bake it and re-flow solder after cleaning water ingress/corrosion FOD with sanding pen and give it a shot.....

DrPeter · Jul 23, 2018

Jack@European_Parts said:
Time for a BCM but before you change it............ take apart and tank it, bake it and re-flow solder after cleaning water ingress/corrosion FOD with sanding pen and give it a shot.....

- This absolutely works, well at least it did on my 1996 GTI ECM,

I would try that for sure!

Great suggestion - Let us know what happens.

drpeter

andythechief · Jul 24, 2018

Hi- thanks for the suggestions. I managed to find a cheapish secondhand J519 on ebay and did a swap. Solved all the problems. Fault scan is now clear.

I would like to get the old one repaired if at all possible to have as a spare. I don't have the skills to re-flow solder; does anyone know if repairs of these units are completed by anyone? It must surely be a component or joint failure as you suggest.

Here are some photos of the faulty J519 inside and out. No visible damage except some tiny white blemishes on the surface. I can't see there is any water damage given it is mounted above the driver pedals away from any water ingress issues.

myounus · Jul 24, 2018

If you look on the internet there are plenty of repairers

andythechief · Jul 24, 2018

thanks - I was hoping for a recommendation. I have google plenty and found a couple, but the only one I spoke too assured me it was not as simple as he thought so he tends to avoid the repair now.

This looks promising: https://www.vwt4forum.co.uk/showthread.php?p=4600482

andythechief · Jul 24, 2018

Good general info:

http://www.brick-yard.co.uk/forum/onboard-voltage-supply-unit-j519_topic92128.html

andythechief · Jul 25, 2018

I decided that after reading the above links, the failure mechanism appears to be most likely relay related. To that end, despite the cost and already being up and running with a secondhand unit I've bought a new J519 to hopefully make sure my next failure isn't anytime soon.

I therefore now have three J519 units: one failed, one working with the same part number and then the new one.

The new J519 part number is 7H0 937 049 AE

Here are some photos of the new unit:

So by way of comparison with the last image, here is a component view of the old unit too:

I can see little if any difference and indeed exactly the same circuit board reference marked on both old and new units i.e. A153.5.1Z.g

There are component differences- there is one extra relay in the new version. I can also see a couple of what I think are surface mount diodes are now a different type too.

I intend to dismantle the old failed unit and replace the mostly likely relay to have failed and see what I can discover. From the other links, it appears the wiper and horn relays are favourites to fail.

Jack@European_Parts · Jul 25, 2018

Here is your repair.
Indeed water ingress maybe from leak or water over condensing in cabin.....add desiccant to cabin!

k-tool-international-testers-install-kits-kti70550-64_1000.jpg

andythechief · Jul 25, 2018

This appears to be the datasheet for the relay which is third from the left on the old unit:

http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1...84.195811962.1532537304-2108594039.1532537304

The above should link to part: "V23084 C2001 A403 - Automotive Relay, 12 VDC, 30 A, SPDT, Through Hole, Solder, Double Mini Relay Series"

You appear to be able to buy them on ebay too, delivered from Spain for about £10

andythechief · Jul 25, 2018

Jack- yes I think this is very likely- I hardly use the van and it has been sitting outside in our mild winter here in southern England. I noticed a lot more condensation than normal inside the van after some colder then warmer weather. I ended up leaving the front windows open about 20mm with wind deflectors to shed the rain which worked wonders in clearing the condensation but of course it had been standing for sometime before this was done.

Perhaps unrelated, but perhaps not, I added a Rolls Series 5 S12-290 AGM (slight overkill for my fridge) leisure battery inside the back last year which is charged via solar panels and an MPPT charge controller. It strikes me that this battery must vent when it is charged and so would generate water vapour in greater volumes than before. I might take a closer look at the charge controller....

Jack@European_Parts · Jul 25, 2018

Jack- yes I think this is very likely- I hardly use the van and it has been sitting outside in our mild winter here in southern England. I noticed a lot more condensation than normal inside the van after some colder then warmer weather. I ended up leaving the front windows open about 20mm with wind deflectors to shed the rain which worked wonders in clearing the condensation but of course it had been standing for sometime before this was done.

Perhaps unrelated, but perhaps not, I added a Rolls Series 5 S12-290 AGM (slight overkill for my fridge) leisure battery inside the back last year which is charged via solar panels and an MPPT charge controller. It strikes me that this battery must vent when it is charged and so would generate water vapour in greater volumes than before. I might take a closer look at the charge controller....

Consider a fan or the blower motor being wired like an A8 via solar panel, to circulate air or venting the battery + heat of charger to external source outside the vehicle with its own air inlet & outlet.

People and the OEM often negate a proper board sealer!

andythechief · Jul 25, 2018

Ok, I'm not sure if this is related or whether I should start a new thread but now I have installed the brand new J516 module and coded it, I seem to have a new fault. I've tried re-installing the secondhand J519 module but now both this and the new one display the same faults.

No matter what I do, if I clear the codes, they keep coming back :banghead:

- see address 17 and address 19:

Code:

Wednesday,25,July,2018,21:37:22:39877
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 18.2.1.2 (x64)  HEX-NET CB: 0.4411.4
Data version: 20180518 DS287.1
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WV1ZZZ7HZ9H012117   License Plate: 
Mileage: 181000km-112468mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: 7H (7H - VW Transporter/Multivan (2003 > 2010))
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 0B 0D 15 16 17 18 19 1C 22 2D 37 45 46 47 56
          57 6E 76 77 78 7D
 
VIN: WV1ZZZ7HZ9H012117   Mileage: 181000km-112468miles
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Address 01: Engine        Labels: 070-906-016-BPC.clb
   Part No SW: 070 906 016 EC    HW: 070 906 016 EC
   Component: R5 2,5L EDC G001SG  2539  
   Revision: --H06---    Serial number: VWZ7Z0H6765279
   Coding: 0001172
   Shop #: WSC 66565 257 00032
   VCID: 55E26620FD9A93EC24-5184

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0 

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 7H0-907-37x-ABS.clb
   Part No SW: 7H0 907 379 S    HW: 7H0 907 379 S
   Component: (M)ABS MK25E        0103  
   Revision: 00H21001    
   Coding: 0000092
   Shop #: WSC 02736 790 00000
   VCID: 45C2B6600D3A236C54-513C

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No: 7H0 820 045 AM
   Component: CLIMA/AC            0303  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 70AC37B46238D6C4D7-513C

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels:. 7H0-937-049.lbl
   Part No: 7H0 937 049 AE
   Component: BORDNETZ SGVER 1.0  2101  
   Coding: 0000102
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 75A206A01D5AF3EC04-513C

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
   Part No: 1C0 909 605 A
   Component: 3C AIRBAG VW51      0011  
   Coding: 13123
   Shop #: WSC 02736  
   VCID: 22080DFCAC54345411-513C

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 7Hx-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No: 7H0 920 951 T
   Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRSP VDO V03  
   Coding: 00413
   Shop #: WSC 00373  
   VCID: 3D32DE8035EA6BAC0C-513C
   WV1ZZZ7HZ9H012117     VWZ7Z0H6765279

1 Fault Found:
01336 - Company Data Bus for Comfort System 
            80-00 - Single-Wire Operation

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
   Part No: 6N0 909 901 
   Component: Gateway K<->CAN    0001  
   Coding: 00022
   Shop #: WSC 02736  
   VCID: 70AC37B43238D6C4D7-513C

1 Fault Found:
01336 - Company Data Bus for Comfort System 
            80-00 - Single-Wire Operation

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Address 22: AWD        Labels: None
   Part No: 7H0 907 554 F
   Component: HALDEX 4Motion      2110  
   Coding: 0000002
   Shop #: WSC 02736 790 00000
   VCID: 3326F8B853AEADDCEA-513C

No fault code found.

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Address 45: Inter. Monitor        Labels: 7Hx-951-171.lbl
   Part No: 7H0 951 171 B
   Component: Innenraumueberw.    2920  
   Coding: 0000021
   Shop #: WSC 02737 790 00000
   VCID: 291A1AD08162E70C50-51CE

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 7H0-959-433.lbl
   Part No: 7H0 959 433 B
   Component: C1W Komfortgerát     0004  
   Coding: 00020
   Shop #: WSC 02736  
   VCID: 3228FDBCFCB4A4D4E1-4B1E

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio        Labels: None
   Part No SW: 7H0 057 152 HX    HW: 7H0 057 152 HX
   Component: Radio LG3           0018  
   Revision: 00009000    Serial number: VWZCZ5I0100151
   Coding: 0020200
   Shop #: WSC 00461 210 87671
   VCID: 03466878438EDD5C3A-513C

4 Faults Found:
00874 - Treble Speaker Front Left (R20) 
            011 - Open Circuit
00875 - Treble Speaker Front Right (R22) 
            011 - Open Circuit
00870 - Bass Speaker Front Left (R21) 
            011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
00871 - Bass Speaker Front Right (R23) 
            011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent

End----------(Elapsed Time: 05:52, VBatt start/end: 12.5V/12.4V)-----------

I've had a good check through the cables and connectors I disturbed when fitting the J519 to see if there is any visible damage or corrosion but all seems fine. The battery voltage is fine. Everything works without any issues.

I've read the wiki page and had a quick dig online but no one seems to really put their finger on a cause.

Any suggestions appreciated.

Jack@European_Parts · Jul 25, 2018

This means one of the CAN wires is disrupted.
Isolate the twisted pairs from gateway to BCM or suspect faulty gateway.

andythechief · Jul 25, 2018

thanks Jack- seems to be solved....

I disconnected the battery, the new J519, reconnected the J519, then the battery, then turned on the ignition and scanned- cleared the address 19 fault code, found no fault on address 17, ignition off and on, checked addresses 19 and 17 - NO FAULTS

So I turned it all off and ran away quickly.

Hopefully I find the same clean slate in a few days.

I'll update when the relays arrive to try and fix the old J519 module.

thanks for all the help everyone. :thumbs:

Jack@European_Parts · Jul 25, 2018

I love defaults and recodes with reboot.....

2008 T5 Transporter J519 failure?

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