Skoda Superb Mk.3 Start/Stop

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Hi,

I'd like to make the Stop/Start system less sensitive on my Skoda Superb MK3 (TDI 4x4 DSG6).
Currently, the Start/stop start limit voltage is set to 7,6V. I know that setting it to 12V would completely disable the system. But... This is not what I want.
I had in mind to set it to a value like 9 or 10V.
Any opinion on the efficiency of this setting please? If someone has done it, I'd be happy to read his/her feedback.
Thank you for your help!

Note : Please, comment like "Disable your S&S completely" is not my question. Thanks... ;)

EDIT : Hmmm... My VCDS is an official version. I didn't notice this thread is in a "piracy section". Could a moderator move my post to the suitable section? Thanks for your help.
 
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hmm..... while you are posting-up your auto-scan - some additional other data to further add context to your question - please. When you say that you want SS to be less sensitive - what precisely do you mean?

As you have correctly identified, the "Voltage method" (some cars use the "Temperature method") has a binary result in that it totally disables SS. Both of these methods trick the SS system into believing that it's imprudent to switch-off the engine: in the case of the voltage method, the act of setting the adaptation channel to 12V (you can go as high as 12.1V) tricks the SS system into believing that there is insufficient battery capacity to crank and re-start the engine, once it's switched off.

So - the Voltage method is an extremely myopic decider in that it uses nothing more than a view about battery re-start capacity. And of course there are many more aspects of a fully functioning SS system that are involved in the decision to switch-off the engine (like seatbelt, engine temperature, Air-con compressor status, steering wheel angle etc).

Which is a neat segway back into my confusion about what is meant "less sensitive"? No offense intended, but just using a different reference point for the "Voltage method" doesn't appear to relate to every day driving conditions. So it's unlikely to result in a predictable, less-sensitive operation of the SS system (IMO, of course).

But I'm guessing (my apology) until the matter is clarified.

Don
 
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By "less sensitive" do you mean not stopping the engine until the car has fully come to a halt?

I ask because many Octavia DSG owners complain that the SS stops the engine while the car is still moving which obviously disables the steering power assistance.
 
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Hi,

Thank you UWE for creating a new thread in the right section.
Here is the latest scan, I've made :

Code: 
Sunday,29,September,2019,00:18:25:04899
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 19.6.1.0 (x64)
Data version: 20190529 DS308.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: TMBLJ9NP0J7xxxxxx   License Plate: 
Mileage: 33701km-20940mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type  NP-SK48 (3Q0)
Scan: 01 02 03 05 08 09 10 13 14 15 16 17 19 22 2B 36 3C 42 44 47
          4B 52 5F 69 6C 6D 75 A5 BB BC CA

VIN: TMBLJ9NP0J7xxxxxx   Mileage: 33701km-20940miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
13-Auto Dist. Reg -- Status: OK 0000
14-Susp. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
22-AWD -- Status: OK 0000
2B-Steer. Col. Lock -- Status: OK 0000
36-Seat Mem. Drvr -- Status: OK 0000
3C-Lane Change -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
4B-Multifunc. Module -- Status: INTERFACE NOT COMPATIBLE 
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
69-Trailer -- Status: OK 0000
6C-Back-up Cam. -- Status: OK 0000
6D-Trunk Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
75-Telematics -- Status: OK 0000
A5-Frt Sens. Drv. Assist -- Status: Malfunction 0010
BB-Door Rear Drv -- Status: OK 0000
BC-Door Rear Pass -- Status: OK 0000
CA-Sunroof -- Status: INTERFACE NOT COMPATIBLE 
 
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Address 01: Engine (J623-DFCA)       Labels:. 04L-907-309-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 04L 906 026 MT    HW: 04L 907 309 M
   Component: R4 2.0l TDI   H25 3076  
   Revision: B4H25---    
   Coding: 011D0012047605083000
   Shop #: WSC 33361 790 00109
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TDI01104L906026MT 004001
   ROD: EV_ECM20TDI01104L906026FN_004_SK48.rod
   VCID: 08317829B320180FD1-805C

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0 

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Address 02: Auto Trans (J743)       Labels: 0D9-927-770.clb
   Part No SW: 0D9 300 014 T    HW: 02E 927 770 AS
   Component: DQ250-6A MQB  H54 5202  
   Revision: 06454104    Serial number: TFK01708021627
   Coding: 0014
   Shop #: WSC 33361 790 00140
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMDQ250021 001001
   ROD: EV_TCMDQ250021.rod
   VCID: 29771DAD48EA0107EE-807C

1 Fault Found:
10763 - Starter Enable from Selector Lever Sensor System 
          P1734 00 [002] - -
          Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear


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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 5Q0-907-379-IPB-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 614 517 CH    HW: 5Q0 614 517 AH
   Component: ESC           H62 0743  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 62577000002069
   Coding: 1E076A9C34230B6F4777070040CC4978562CD0E2E0029275386150F8C2A9420000000012121212B835351919323200
   Shop #: WSC 33361 790 00140
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100IPB 036010
   ROD: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100IPB_036_VW41.rod
   VCID: 79D70DEDF8CA7187DE-802C

No fault code found.

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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J518)       Labels:| 5Q0-959-435.clb
   Part No SW: 3Q0 959 435 G    HW: 3Q0 959 435 G
   Component: VWKESSYMQB    037 0906  
   Revision: 00037000    Serial number: 0455510043
   Coding: 032C0C070F
   Shop #: WSC 33361 790 00140
   ASAM Dataset: EV_KessyHellaMQBAB 004041
   ROD: EV_KessyHellaMQBAB_VW48.rod
   VCID: 3E5DDEF1A16496BFAB-806A

   Sensor Controlled Power Rear Lid: 

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (E87)       Labels:| 3V0-907-044.clb
   Part No SW: 3V0 907 044 CP    HW: 3V0 907 044 CP
   Component: AC Automat    H34 4402  
   Revision: 20K10000    Serial number: 00000B00659263
   Coding: 1201010400041001100510410010112A
   Shop #: WSC 33361 790 00140
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ACClimaPrehVW37X 002025
   ROD: EV_ACClimaPrehVW37X.rod
   VCID: 04296C198F083C6FBD-8050

   Relative humidity sensor in fresh air intake duct: 

   Rear Climatronic Operating And Display Unit: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 3V0 907 049 E    HW: 3V0 907 049 E
   Component: E265KlimaHeck  H02 0101 
   Serial number:       06051501850797
   Coding: 000000

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 5Q0-937-08X-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 937 084 CQ    HW: 5Q0 937 084 CG
   Component: BCM MQBAB H   H36 0253  
   Serial number: 01001726400631
   Coding: 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 33361 790 00140
   ASAM Dataset: EV_BCMMQB 018001
   ROD: EV_BCMBOSCH_018.rod
   VCID: 09377D2DA82A6107CE-805C

   Control Unit For Wiper Motor: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 3V1 955 119     HW: 3V1 955 119   Labels: 5QX-955-119-V1.CLB
   Component: 48x LL 170728  032 0121 
   Serial number: 00000001707240308713
   Coding: 1E4DFD

   Rain Light Recognition Sensor: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5Q0 955 547 B    HW: 5Q0 955 547 B  Labels: 5Q0-955-547.CLB
   Component: RLHS  047 0105 
   Serial number: S3Y17M09D20H23M56S04
   Coding: 0088DF

   Seat Backrest Fan 1 Front Left: 
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 3G0 963 345     HW: 3G0 963 345 
   Component: SysNameFanLin  014 0101 
   Serial number: ESE0297558          

   Seat Cushion Fan 1 Front Left: 
   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 3G0 963 345     HW: 3G0 963 345 
   Component: SysNameFanLin  014 0101 
   Serial number: ESE0297476          

   Seat Backrest Fan 1 Front Right: 
   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: 3G0 963 345     HW: 3G0 963 345 
   Component: SysNameFanLin  014 0101 
   Serial number: ESE0339294          

   Seat Cushion Fan 1 Front Right: 
   Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: 3G0 963 345     HW: 3G0 963 345 
   Component: SysNameFanLin  014 0101 
   Serial number: ESE0339646          

No fault code found.

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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels:| 5Q0-919-294.clb
   Part No SW: 5QA 919 294 B    HW: 5QA 919 294 
   Component: PDC 8 KanalH07 0044  
   Serial number: 000308418617265
   Coding: 0471155951
   Shop #: WSC 33361 790 00140
   ASAM Dataset: EV_EPHVA18AU3700000 009035
   ROD: EV_EPHVA18AU3700000_009_VW37.rod
   VCID: 4BBB8725E2D633173C-801E

No fault code found.

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Address 13: Auto Dist. Reg (J428)       Labels:| 3Q0-907-572.clb
   Part No SW: 3Q0 907 572 C    HW: 3Q0 907 572 C
   Component: ACC BOSCH MQB H04 0195  
   Coding: 320067CA55FFC428949C8045
   Shop #: WSC 33361 790 00140
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ACCBOSCHVW48X 001009
   ROD: EV_ACCBOSCHVW48X.rod
   VCID: 354FC1DD945255E77A-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 14: Susp. Elect. (J250)       Labels: 5Q0-907-376.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 907 376 B    HW: 5Q0 907 376 A
   Component: DAEMPFUNGS-SG H17 0121  
   Serial number: 23081741350119
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DRCONTITEMIC 001019
   ROD: EV_DRCONTITEMIC_VW37.rod
   VCID: 3851C8E98340A88F61-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5Q0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 959 655 BK    HW: 5Q0 959 655 BK
   Component: AirbagVW21    005 0336  
   Serial number: 003VXR38H597
   Coding: 98FCC0C0000000005C5400CF004800000065
   Shop #: WSC 33361 790 00140
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW20SMEVW37X 002158
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW20SMEVW37X.rod
   VCID: 0A354221AD2C6A1FC7-805E

   Side Sensor Driver Front: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 001 709 17
   Component: SideSensor_Df  001 0887 
   Serial number: 35700000000176FCF72.
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Side Sensor Passenger Front: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 001 709 17
   Component: SideSensor_Pf  001 0887 
   Serial number: 3580000000029261D72F
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Side Sensor Driver Rear: 
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 402 009 17
   Component: SideSensor_Dr  000 6149 
   Serial number: 3510001AB2644260F59+
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Side Sensor Passenger Rear: 
   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 401 409 17
   Component: SideSensor_Pr  000 6149 
   Serial number: 3520001C325187C123C-
   Coding: 2D2D2D

   Front Sensor Driver: 
   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 401 309 17
   Component: FrontSensor_D  000 6149 
   Serial number: 3550001AB270BC54866A
   Coding: 2D2D2D

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J524)       Labels:| 5Q0-953-549.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 953 521 GE    HW: 5Q0 953 569 A
   Component: Lenks.Modul   075 0235  
   Revision: FF035035    Serial number: 20170917500107
   Coding: 6414
   Shop #: WSC 33361 790 00140
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSVALEOMQB 001015
   ROD: EV_SMLSVALEOMQB.rod
   VCID: 7BDB17E5F2F64397CC-802E

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5G0-920-XXX-17.clb-SRI3
   Part No SW: 3V0 920 711 B    HW: 3V0 920 711 B
   Component: KOMBI         301 0310  
   Coding: 07A5081AFF840008018B7B0B5001000800000000
   Shop #: WSC 73430 031 00140
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB 009060
   ROD: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB_SK48.rod
   VCID: 2F43F3B5760E6F3730-807A

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:| 3Q0-907-530-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 3Q0 907 530 G    HW: 3Q0 907 530 C
   Component: GW MQB High   518 5304  
   Serial number: 17091710520284
   Coding: 030100345F087300EB00025A9C0F00010001070000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 33361 790 00160
   ASAM Dataset: EV_GatewNF 013023
   ROD: EV_GatewNF.rod
   VCID: 334BFFC59A264BD754-8066

   Alternator: 

   Multi Function Steering Wheel Control Module: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 3V0 919 719 B    HW: 3V0 919 719 B
   Component: E221__MFL-PR6  H02 0160 
   Serial number: 000000000B0915010917

   Battery Monitoring Control Module: 
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 5Q0 915 181 K    HW: 5Q0 915 181 K
   Component: J367-BDMHella  H10 9070 
   Serial number: 1649925204          

No fault code found.

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Address 22: AWD (J492)       Labels:* 0CQ-907-554.clb
   Part No SW: 0CQ 907 554 J    HW: 0CQ 525 130 
   Component: Haldex4Motion H52 7084  
   Serial number: HA1-00021.07.17
   Coding: 0301
   Shop #: WSC 33361 790 00140
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AllWheelContrHA1VW37X 004013
   ROD: EV_AllWheelContrHA1VW37X_004.rod
   VCID: 4CB98439E7D8342F35-8018

No fault code found.

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Address 2B: Steer. Col. Lock (J764)       Labels:* 5Q0-905-861.clb
   Part No SW: 3Q0 905 861     HW: 3Q0 905 861 
   Component: ELV-MQBB      H05 0032  
   Serial number: 17000247550008
   Coding: 0800000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 33361 790 00140
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ELVMarquMQBB 001007
   ROD: EV_ELVMarquMQBB.rod
   VCID: 71C735CDA0BA39C766-8024

No fault code found.

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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr (J810)       Labels:* None
   Part No SW: 5Q0 959 760 B    HW: 5Q0 959 760 B
   Component: Sitzmemory    H08 0022  
   Serial number: Y0006QIE10314
   Coding: 0010000000000500018280808080000000008181000000D400
   Shop #: WSC 33361 790 00140
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SeatMemorDriveSide 002021
   ROD: EV_SeatMemorDriveSide.rod
   VCID: 3C59D4F9B77884AF85-8068

No fault code found.

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Address 3C: Lane Change (J1086)       Labels:| 5Q0-907-686.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 907 686 C    HW: 5Q0 907 686 C
   Component: HRE_Master    H12 0080  
   Serial number: 0454107103
   Coding: 02012103
   Shop #: WSC 33361 790 00140
   ASAM Dataset: EV_HREntryHella 001028
   ROD: EV_HREntryHella_VW37.rod
   VCID: 3D5FD9FDAC628DA7B2-8068

   Lane Change Assistant 2: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5Q0 907 685 C    HW: 5Q0 907 685 C
   Component: HRE_Slave  H12 0080 
   Serial number: 0453826901          
   Coding: 020121

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels:| 5QX-959-X93-42.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q4 959 593 E    HW: 5Q4 959 593 B
   Component: TSG FS        011 0032  
   Serial number: 0000279145654 
   Coding: 001D0920DE00040000001100
   Shop #: WSC 33361 790 00140
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMAXCONT 006001
   ROD: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMAXCONT.rod
   VCID: 47B3BB15FEBED77718-8012

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist (J500)       Labels:| 5Q0-909-143.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 909 143 P    HW: 5Q0 909 143 E
   Component: MQB_PP_APA    204 2051  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 0002000025
   Coding: 01000011004001
   Shop #: WSC 33361 790 00140
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SteerAssisVWBSMQBA 009129
   ROD: EV_SteerAssisVWBSMQBA_009_VW41.rod
   VCID: 40A1A009DB90E04FD9-8014

No fault code found.

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Address 47: Sound System (J525)       Labels:| 81A-035-466.clb
   Part No SW: 81A 035 223     HW: 81A 035 223 
   Component: MIB2_amp_P_SK H10 0410  
   Revision: 00000001    Serial number: SKZ8Z1HJE02T7CC
   Coding: 0384020000AA002FAA0000000000
   Shop #: WSC 33361 790 00140
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AMPMst16C5Gen2ALPI 001001
   ROD: EV_AMPMst16C5Gen2ALPI.rod
   VCID: 59976D6D580A5187BE-800C

No fault code found.

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Address 4B: Multifunc. Module
Interface not compatible.
Please upgrade to a current Ross-Tech interface.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels:| 5QX-959-X92-52.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q4 959 592 E    HW: 5Q4 959 592 B
   Component: TSG BFS       011 0032  
   Serial number: 0000279001333 
   Coding: 001D0320DE00040000001100
   Shop #: WSC 33361 790 00140
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMAXCONT 006001
   ROD: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMAXCONT.rod
   VCID: 46ADB611F9B4CE7FE3-8012

No fault code found.

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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:| 3V0-035-MIB-HGH2.clb
   Part No SW: 565 035 043 A    HW: 565 035 043 
   Component: MU-H-N-EU     H54 1163  
   Serial number: A856E0HB011659
   Coding: 03840201000000005111000200080A002F0103E4012085009E
   Shop #: WSC 33361 790 00140
   ASAM Dataset: EV_MUHig4CGen2HBAS 001001
   ROD: EV_MUHig4CGen2HBAS_SK37.rod
   VCID: 10015049CB7050CF09-8044

   Operating And Display Unit 1: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 3V0 919 606 D    HW: 3V0 919 606 D
   Component: ABT_High-2  H52 9130 
   Serial number: SKZ6ZHV3001064      

   Data medium: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: V03 959 801 JN    HW: -----------
   Component: ECE 2017/2018  --- 0161 
   Serial number: --------------------

   Compact Disc Database: 
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: V03 959 800 EG    HW: -----------
   Component: Gracenote2  --- 1016 
   Serial number: --------------------

No fault code found.

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Address 69: Trailer (J345)       Labels:| 5Q0-907-383.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 907 383 M    HW: 5Q0 907 383 M
   Component: Anhaenger     H27 0260  
   Revision: 8B001004    Serial number: 0453918798
   Coding: 0100000202000000
   Shop #: WSC 33361 790 00140
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TrailFunctGener2Hella 001008
   ROD: EV_TrailFunctGener2Hella_VW26.rod
   VCID: 41A7A50DD09AE947D6-8014

No fault code found.

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Address 6C: Back-up Cam. (J772)       Labels:| 5Q0-980-556.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 980 556 B    HW: 5Q0 980 556 B
   Component: RVC Compact   H12 0231  
   Coding: 04840201A3002017000040
   Shop #: WSC 33361 790 00140
   ASAM Dataset: EV_CamSysRVRVCPANAMQBAB 006009
   ROD: EV_CamSysRVRVCPANAMQBAB_006_VW37.rod
   VCID: 3957CDEDB84AB1879E-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 6D: Trunk Elect. (J605)       Labels:| 5Q0-959-107.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 959 107 L    HW: 5Q0 959 107 J
   Component: HDSG-Modul    H13 0261  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 31544363000000
   Coding: 0D88
   Shop #: WSC 33361 790 00140
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DeckLidCONTIAU736 001014
   ROD: EV_DeckLidCONTIAU736_AU73.rod
   VCID: 41A7A50DD09AE947D6-8014

No fault code found.

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Address 75: Telematics (J949)       Labels:| 5QE-035-285.clb
   Part No SW: 5NA 035 284 B    HW: 5NA 035 284 B
   Component: OCULowMQBLGE  H17 0717  
   Revision: --------    
   Coding: 03840201EA423A0D3B1C9E020045400382E608
   Shop #: WSC 33361 790 00140
   ASAM Dataset: EV_OCULowMQBLGE 004044
   ROD: EV_OCULowMQBLGE_004_VW25.rod
   VCID: 3C59D4F9B77884AF85-8068

No fault code found.

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Address A5: Frt Sens. Drv. Assist (R242)       Labels:| 3Q0-980-65X-A5.clb
   Part No SW: 3QD 980 654     HW: 3Q0 980 654 A
   Component: MQB_B_MFK     H08 1272  
   Serial number: 21081741P10043
   Coding: 0204080200000401002623558150A90098000E100040
   Shop #: WSC 33361 790 00140
   ASAM Dataset: EV_MFKBoschMQBB 001001
   ROD: EV_MFKBoschMQBB_001_VW36.rod
   VCID: 08317829B320180FD1-805C

1 Fault Found:
1275 - Unknown Error Code 
          B182E F0 [008] - Unknown Error Elaboration
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 4
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 5
                    Mileage: 30950 km
                    Date: 2019.08.18
                    Time: 22:54:34

                    Control Module temperature: 39 °C
                    Outside air temperature: 16.0 °C
                    Vehicle speed: 88.42 km/h
                    System run time: 5269.4 s
                    Voltage terminal 15: 13.7 V
                    mid: 01 63
                    Status of camera: operational
                    Engine_Running_Info: 1
                    Software_Info_4: 2
                    Software_Info_3: 7
                    Software_Info_2: 2
                    Software_Info_1: 1


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Address BB: Door Rear Drv (J388)       Labels:* None
   Part No SW: 5Q4 959 395 E    HW: 5Q4 959 395 B
   Component: TSG HFS       012 0032  
   Serial number: 0000278699949 
   Coding: 001C01208000040000001100
   Shop #: WSC 33361 790 00140
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DCURearDriveMAXCONT 006001
   ROD: EV_DCURearDriveMAXCONT.rod
   VCID: 47B3BB15FEBED77718-8012

No fault code found.

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Address BC: Door Rear Pass (J389)       Labels:* None
   Part No SW: 5Q4 959 395 E    HW: 5Q4 959 395 B
   Component: TSG HBFS      012 0032  
   Serial number: 0000277609186 
   Coding: 001C01208000040000001100
   Shop #: WSC 33361 790 00140
   ASAM Dataset: EV_DCURearPasseMAXCONT 006001
   ROD: EV_DCURearPasseMAXCONT.rod
   VCID: 47B3BB15FEBED77718-8012

No fault code found.

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Address CA: Sunroof
Interface not compatible.
Please upgrade to a current Ross-Tech interface.

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I did not change anything to the current setting of the S&S system yet. It's still at 7,6V.

@ DV52 : By "too sensitive", I effectively mean, that it triggers quite too often to my needs and my "taste". I'd like to preserve the life time of some components such as battery and starter. I'd rather the S&S triggers later, when the engine is warm enough and the battery correctly charged.
The S&S start limit voltage, is the only one parameter, whom I can have access to tune it.
I don't know if changing its value to 9,5 or 10V would comply to my goal, but this is why I ask if it's worth a try.

@ PertolDave : This is another point I'd would like to get rid of too... Foot on brake pedal, the S&S effectively shuts the engine down below 5 km/h. Very nerving, when you only want to decelerate, while approaching a "give way" road sign, or in traffic jam...
If someone knows how to change the speed threshold from 5 to 0 km/h, I'd be glad to get the trick! ;)
But this not the most prejudictable to me at this time...

Thanks for your advices and opinions.:thumbs:
 
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Thank you UWE for creating a new thread in the right section.
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Well, it really should be in Tweaks, but you won't be able to post there until you Get Verified. Please do so. It appears you are in category 2) of that post.

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Well, my status has been verified:thumbs:. Thus, if someone can give his opinion on this S&S start voltage limit... I'd be very interested. :D
 
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All I can suggest is that you look at the SS discussions on the Octavia & Superb forums of www.briskoda.net where this issue has been discussed often - no change to the "sensitivity" has been found but a method of preventing SS kicking in before coming to a halt has been suggested by careful use of the brake pedal.

It seems VAG have designed SS this way to meet their emissions and economy figures, and nobody has found anything better than the voltage limit tweak other than completely disabling the battery management system.
 
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Bap33 said:
@ DV52 : By "too sensitive", I effectively mean, that it triggers quite too often to my needs and my "taste". I'd like to preserve the life time of some components such as battery and starter. I'd rather the S&S triggers later, when the engine is warm enough and the battery correctly charged.
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The good Burghers in Germany that designed SS have already accommodated your wants. Here's a list of preconditions that must occur for the SS system to switch-off the engine (from SSP #426)

Conditions for engine stop
The vehicle is stationary (speed = 0km/h).
The engine speed is below 1200rpm.
The coolant temperature is between 25°C and 100°C.
The brake vacuum is more than 550mbar.
The energy required to restart the engine that was calculated before “engine off” can be supplied
by the battery (starting voltage prediction).
The battery temperature is greater or equal to -1°C and less than 55°C.
The air-conditioning requirement of the occupants is not too high.
The difference between target and actual vent temperature is below 8°C.
The diesel particulate filter is not in regeneration mode (diesel engines only).

So - by design, there are already a number of hurdles to jump for SS to switch-off the engine.


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The S&S start limit voltage, is the only one parameter, whom I can have access to tune it.
I don't know if changing its value to 9,5 or 10V would comply to my goal, but this is why I ask if it's worth a try.
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By all means - try it!! But, I'm not sure how controllable (read, predictable) the result will be - so I suspect that the go/no-go decision with a "half-pregnant" threshold voltage will be somewhat hit-and-miss IMO. But I'm more than happy to be proven wrong- please post up your observations if you proceed.

Don't get me wrong, I hate SS with a vengeance - without wanting to appear overly dramatic, I think that it's perhaps the most dangerous facility in the vehicle. So my motivation to disable SS was not to save on wear-and-tear. I don't believe that the added demands from SS are an issue on these vehicles because there don't appear to be numerous stories of systemic failures of SS related equipment on this and on other feedback forums -plus the literature from VAG expounds on the gear that has been beefed-up in SS equipped vehicles. Which of course doesn't mean that failures on SS equipment won't occur occasionally.

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The coolant temperature is between 25°C and 100°C.
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A coolant temperature of 25 Celsius is still a cold engine though, I would have thought a coolant temperature of say 75 Celsius would have been a better measure of a warm engine?

Or even better an oil temperature of say 60 Celsius or greater?
 
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^^^ hmm...... thanks Dave - I agree.

However, whilst I'm certainly very uncomfortable being an apologist any part of the SS design - it's still about room temperature and given that these engines do heat-up fairly quickly, I suspect that SS decisions don't remain at the bottom end of the coolant temperature scale for any appreciable time. Plus, I suspect that the need to pass emission standards probably had a role in deciding the lower temperature threshold - perhaps

In any event, my advice is for OP to join the growing throng of those that delete SS in its entirety- life's much simpler and safer if SS is gone!!

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The good Burghers in Germany that designed SS have already accommodated your wants. Here's a list of preconditions that must occur for the SS system to switch-off the engine (from SSP #426)

Conditions for engine stop
The vehicle is stationary (speed = 0km/h).
The engine speed is below 1200rpm.
The coolant temperature is between 25°C and 100°C.
The brake vacuum is more than 550mbar.
The energy required to restart the engine that was calculated before “engine off” can be supplied
by the battery (starting voltage prediction).
The battery temperature is greater or equal to -1°C and less than 55°C.
The air-conditioning requirement of the occupants is not too high.
The difference between target and actual vent temperature is below 8°C.
The diesel particulate filter is not in regeneration mode (diesel engines only).
[...]

Don
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Hi,
Thank you all for this additional answers.
Sorry Don, but this not how the S&S is designed, at least on my Superb Mk3. The S&S actually shuts the engine off as soon as I press the brake pedal AND the speed is below 5 km/h (assuming other conditions are fullfilled). As PetroDave mentioned, this is really an issue for many users. You need to be very smooth or feather the gas pedal, but this is not enough to fool the S&S and get the expected behavior... :(
If I try and notice significant improvement, I'll tell you! ;) May be worth a try...
 
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^^^bap33: hmm....... OK - my bad (I guess).

I was just quoting the SSP information plus my own experience with MQB platform vehicles that I have driven (mainly Golf mk7s and Audi A3 8V). In these cars, SS engages to switch-off the engine once the car has stopped completely.

Some drivers have learned what I call the "SS shoe shuffle" - which is to find the brake pedal "sweet-spot" whereby the foot pressure applied is sufficient to hold the car but is not too-much to engage SS. It isn't difficult to learn the procedure - but why bother when it's much easier to just delete SS entirely IMO.

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@ DV52 : Sorry the "Num Lock" key of my keyboard was not locked. S&S shuts the engine off below 5 km/h. It's almost the same on my wife's Audi Q3.
I'd rather it only triggers when vehicle is completely stopped to avoid engine shut off when you only want to slow down when arriving at a roundabout and you want to let the car "slide" to quickly insert in a "Mouse hole" in the traffic.
Otherwise, it can grant you "brown trousers moments"... When S&S make you think you've stalled and your car is stuck in the middle of the rouandabout with car flow is rushing on your side... :eek:
 
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Hi,

I still didn't modify the start limit voltage on my S&S.
However, I've read on an Audi Forum, that one could modify the activation logic of the S&S (on Audi A6 C6 at least) :
- Default mode is S&S OFF upon ignition; or
- Default mode is S&S as selected (ON or OFF) at engine shut down.

I'd be glad, if the first option could be activated.

The coding seems to be:
09-Central Elect. > Security Access – 16 : 20113 or 31347 Adaptation 10
Select channel 34 - Modify initial value (should be 28)
- Remove 4 = S&S systematically OFF at each engine start (this setting is the contrary of standard spec)
- Add 32 = S&S status (ON or OFF) before engine shut down will be saved and maintained at next engine start.
- Add 64 = The led on S&S knob is inverted (i.e. : light off if S&S is ON / light on, if S&S is OFF).

I had a look in the Superb MK3 menus with my VCDS, but I didn't find anything similar.
Does anyone know if this is feasible?
 
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Bap33 said:
Hi,

I still didn't modify the start limit voltage on my S&S.
However, I've read on an Audi Forum, that one could modify the activation logic of the S&S (on Audi A6 C6 at least) :
- Default mode is S&S OFF upon ignition; or
- Default mode is S&S as selected (ON or OFF) at engine shut down.

I'd be glad, if the first option could be activated.

The coding seems to be:
09-Central Elect. > Security Access – 16 : 20113 or 31347 Adaptation 10
Select channel 34 - Modify initial value (should be 28)
- Remove 4 = S&S systematically OFF at each engine start (this setting is the contrary of standard spec)
- Add 32 = S&S status (ON or OFF) before engine shut down will be saved and maintained at next engine start.
- Add 64 = The led on S&S knob is inverted (i.e. : light off if S&S is ON / light on, if S&S is OFF).

I had a look in the Superb MK3 menus with my VCDS, but I didn't find anything similar.
Does anyone know if this is feasible?
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The A6 C6 is a completely different platform to the Superb, and the Superb doesn't have the ability to remember the SS state with coding changes - only by adding additional hardware such as https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-Star...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
 
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do yourself a favor and install the module that PetrolDave has suggested. I did. after that I forgot my car had the hatred S&S system.
 
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@ PetrolDave: Oh, nice tip! Thanks!
 
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Hi all,

Here are some news. I haven't bought the module yet. However, I've tuned a bit this start limit voltage on my S&S.
10V is already too high. It almost doesn't trigger the S&S anymore.
I've changed down to 9V, but it is still quite high. The S&S triggers rarely.
My latest setting is 8.5V... Test pending. ;)
 
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