I Need tissues for my CCM Coding Issues.

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Boam

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Hey guys,

Having some trouble with an A4.

Water ingress to the CCM in the footwell, Wiring appears to be fine, Old CCM can be read when its at a certain angle but comes up with lots of codes when it does read, i am guessing these are just due to the water ingress.

Purchased a New, Sealed CCM from TPS with the same part number bar the letter on the end changed from a C to a D, i queried this and have been told it is just a super-seeded part number.

Read the original coding and the workshop number, saved both of these to the new module just by going coding then editing the figures, coding accepted.

Was advised that the Submodules 3 and 4 were missing and needed to be coded in via channel 61 and 62, this was done to match the old CCM.

The issues that i now have is that i can not get the key remotes to sync with the car, SO far i have tried:
Channel 1 factory reset on the CCM to enable the learning of the remotes.
Channel 21, Learning the keys to spaces 1 and 2.
Syncing the fobs in the door and ignition.
Checking channel 007 to see if they are synced and neither of the keys have.

Have tried this in various sequence and different ways. Also checked the old CCM if i could sync the keys and they could easily be synced withe the key in the door process.
Things i have also tried that probably would have any effect,
Disconnecting the battery for a while
Clearing codes in between
Tried forgetting the keys on the old module but didn't seem to work when i checked 007 they were both still stored. (This makes me think that i may be doing something wrong in the learning process too)

Is there part of coding in a module that i am missing? Should the module have different coding being super-seeded? What are the chances of the module Being Faulty?

Seem to have tried everything that i can find on Ross Tech but not making any progress.

Any help, suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated.

Most recent scan

Code:
VIN: WAUZZZ8E74A207693   License Plate: A9FEG
Mileage: 250380km-155578mi   Repair Order: 3
   VCID: 62887C23EC642B56FC-5184

2 Faults Found:
00819 - High Pressure Sensor (G65)
            07-00 - Signal too Low
01330 - Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393)
            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 8E0-907-279-8E2.lbl
   Part No: 8E0 907 279 F
   Component: int. Lastmodul  RDW 0517
   Coding: 01001
   Shop #: WSC 63251
   VCID: 3522F77F0D6AECEE69-4B1E

2 Faults Found:
01330 - Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393)
            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
01332 - Door Control Module; Passenger Side (J387)
            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 8E0-959-655-84.lbl
   Part No: 8E0 959 655 J
   Component: Airbag 8.4EP        1002
   Coding: 0010602
   Shop #: WSC 63251 000 00000
   VCID: 3E30E853685C2FB6B8-5184

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 8E0-953-549.lbl
   Part No: 8E0 953 549 N
   Component: Lenksáulenmodul     0611
   Coding: 00042
   Shop #: WSC 63251
   VCID: 3E30E853385C2FB6B8-4B1E

1 Fault Found:
01330 - Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393)
            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 8E0-920-9xx-8E2.lbl
   Part No: 8E0 920 950 M
   Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. RB4 D42
   Coding: 01401
   Shop #: WSC 00006
   VCID: 3326C967031EF2DE47-5184
   WAUZZZ8E74A207693     AUZ6Z0C0461275

4 Faults Found:
01039 - Coolant Temperature Sensor (G2)
            30-10 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
01176 - Key
            07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent
01330 - Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393)
            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
01332 - Door Control Module; Passenger Side (J387)
            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent

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Address 45: Inter. Monitor        Labels: 8E0-951-177.lbl
   Part No: 8E0 951 177
   Component: Innenraumueberw.   0704
   Coding: 00001
   Shop #: WSC 00000
   VCID: 6B9611071BAE6A1E4F-5118

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels:. 8E0-959-433-MAX.clb
   Part No: 8E0 959 433 BC
   Component: Komfortgerát TBF    1712
   Coding: 07115
   Shop #: WSC 63251
   VCID: 73A60967439EB2DE87-4B1E

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8E2959802B
   Component: Tõrsteuer.FS BRM 0003

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 8E2959801B
   Component: Tõrsteuer.BF BRM 0003

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 8E0959801A
   Component: Tõrsteuer.HL BRM 0004

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 8E0959802A
   Component: Tõrsteuer.HR BRM 0004

1 Fault Found:
01559 - Drivers Door
            61-00 - Won't De-Safe

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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 8E0-035-1xx-56.lbl
   Part No: 8E0 035 195 M
   Component: symphony II NP2    0410
   Coding: 01001
   Shop #: WSC 00512
   VCID: 312AC36FFA02C0CE35-5066

No fault code found.

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Address 76: Park Assist        Labels: 8Z0-919-283.lbl
   Part No: 8Z0 919 283 A
   Component: Parkingsyst. A4 RDW D09
   Coding: 00114
   Shop #: WSC 63251
   VCID: 43C699A750BE425ED7-5160

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 05:33, VBatt start/end: 14.1V/14.2V)-----------
 
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Purchased a New, Sealed CCM from TPS with the same part number bar the letter on the end changed from a C to a D
Confused. What you have in there now (in the scan) is 8E0-959-433-BC. Is this the old one or the new one? Please provide the full part number of the other one as well.

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Hi Uwe,

That is the new scan with the new module on, Old scan is as follows. Part number seems to be the same on the scan but the new module definitely had a D instead of the C at the end of the part number. could this be something i have not coded correctly?

Code:
VIN: WAUZZZ8E74A207693   License Plate: A9FEG
Mileage: 250380km-155578mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: 8E (8E - Audi A4/S4/RS4 B6/B7 (2001 > 2008))
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 0F 11 15 16 17 18 25 36 37 45 46 55 56 57 65
          67 69 75 76 77
 
VIN: WAUZZZ8E74A207693   Mileage: 250380km-155578miles
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Address 01: Engine        Labels: 038-906-019-AVF.lbl
   Part No: 038 906 019 LJ
   Component: 1,9l R4 EDC G000SG  5934  
   Coding: 00003
   Shop #: WSC 63251  
   VCID: 6A9814031454731634-4B1E
   WAUZZZ8E74A207693     AUZ6Z0C0461275

1 Fault Found:
17994 - Engine Mount Solenoid Valves (N144/N145) 
            P1586 - 35-10 - Short to Plus - Intermittent
Readiness: 0 0 0 0 1 

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 8E0-614-517.lbl
   Part No: 8E0 614 517 A
   Component: ABS/ESP allrad      3429  
   Coding: 04255
   Shop #: WSC 06435  
   VCID: 26002033C0CC9776D0-51F2

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 8E0-820-043.lbl
   Part No: 8E0 820 043 AC
   Component:   A4 Klimaautomat   1323  
   Coding: 00000
   Shop #: WSC 63251  
   VCID: 62887C23EC642B56FC-5160

2 Faults Found:
00819 - High Pressure Sensor (G65) 
            07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent
01330 - Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393) 
            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 8E0-907-279-8E2.lbl
   Part No: 8E0 907 279 F
   Component: int. Lastmodul  RDW 0517  
   Coding: 01001
   Shop #: WSC 63251  
   VCID: 3522F77F0D6AECEE69-4B00

1 Fault Found:
01330 - Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393) 
            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 8E0-959-655-84.lbl
   Part No: 8E0 959 655 J
   Component: Airbag 8.4EP        1002  
   Coding: 0010602
   Shop #: WSC 63251 000 00000
   VCID: 3E30E853685C2FB6B8-5184

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 8E0-953-549.lbl
   Part No: 8E0 953 549 N
   Component: Lenksáulenmodul     0611  
   Coding: 00042
   Shop #: WSC 63251  
   VCID: 3E30E853385C2FB6B8-4B00

1 Fault Found:
01330 - Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393) 
            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 8E0-920-9xx-8E2.lbl
   Part No: 8E0 920 950 M
   Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. RB4 D42  
   Coding: 01401
   Shop #: WSC 00006  
   VCID: 3326C967031EF2DE47-5184
   WAUZZZ8E74A207693     AUZ6Z0C0461275

2 Faults Found:
01176 - Key 
            07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent
01330 - Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393) 
            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent

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Address 45: Inter. Monitor        Labels: 8E0-951-177.lbl
   Part No: 8E0 951 177 
   Component: Innenraumueberw.   0704  
   Coding: 00001
   Shop #: WSC 00000  
   VCID: 6B9611071BAE6A1E4F-5118

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels:. 8E0-959-433-MAX.clb
   Part No: 8E0 959 433 BC
   Component: Komfortgerát T3B    1412  
   Coding: 07115
   Shop #: WSC 63251  
   VCID: 73A60967439EB2DE87-4B00

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8E2959802B
   Component: Tõrsteuer.FS BRM 0003  

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 8E2959801B
   Component: Tõrsteuer.BF BRM 0003  

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 8E0959801A
   Component: Tõrsteuer.HL BRM 0004  

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 8E0959802A
   Component: Tõrsteuer.HR BRM 0004  

16 Faults Found:
01331 - Door Control Module; Driver Side (J386) 
            49-00 - No Communications
01332 - Door Control Module; Passenger Side (J387) 
            49-00 - No Communications
01333 - Door Control Module; Rear Left (J388) 
            49-00 - No Communications
01334 - Door Control Module; Rear Right (J389) 
            49-00 - No Communications
01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285) 
            49-00 - No Communications
01320 - Control Module for Climatronic (J255) 
            49-00 - No Communications
01336 - Company Data Bus for Comfort System 
            37-00 - Faulty
01336 - Company Data Bus for Comfort System 
            80-00 - Single-Wire Operation
01403 - Glass-Break Sensors; Rear 
            36-00 - Open Circuit
00466 - Control Module for Steering Column Electronics (J527) 
            49-00 - No Communications
00457 - Control Module for Network (J519) 
            49-00 - No Communications
01331 - Door Control Module; Driver Side (J386) 
            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
01559 - Drivers Door 
            61-00 - Won't De-Safe
01332 - Door Control Module; Passenger Side (J387) 
            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
01333 - Door Control Module; Rear Left (J388) 
            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
01334 - Door Control Module; Rear Right (J389) 
            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent

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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 8E0-035-1xx-56.lbl
   Part No: 8E0 035 195 M
   Component: symphony II NP2    0410   
   Coding: 01001
   Shop #: WSC 00512  
   VCID: 312AC36FFA02C0CE35-5066

No fault code found.

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Address 76: Park Assist        Labels: 8Z0-919-283.lbl
   Part No: 8Z0 919 283 A
   Component: Parkingsyst. A4 RDW D09  
   Coding: 00114
   Shop #: WSC 63251  
   VCID: 43C699A750BE425ED7-5160

No fault code found.

End----(Elapsed Time: 05:34, VBatt start/end: 11.9V/11.9V. VIgn 11.8V)-----

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Address 46,8E0 959 433 BD,recoded (Short coding),from,06730,to,07115,(00000/---/-----),

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Address 46: DTCs cleared
 
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Double checked today, the new module is showing the old part number through VCDS.
 
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Firstly, I love the subject!

My email suggestions (Oct, 2nd) were:
Code:
According to the parts catalog it looks like 8E0 959 433 BC was replaced
by the installed 8E0 959 433 BD so it should be compatible with the car
and remotes. Please make sure I have the original and new modules
labeled correctly below.

Original:
 > Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels:. 8E0-959-433-MAX.clb
 >     Part No: 8E0 959 433 BC
 >     Component: Komfortgerát T3B    1412
 >     Coding: 07115
 >     Shop #: WSC 63251
 >     VCID: 73A60967439EB2DE87-4B00
 >
 >     Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8E2959802B
 >     Component: Tõrsteuer.FS BRM 0003
 >
 >     Subsystem 2 - Part No: 8E2959801B
 >     Component: Tõrsteuer.BF BRM 0003
 >
 >     Subsystem 3 - Part No: 8E0959801A
 >     Component: Tõrsteuer.HL BRM 0004
 >
 >     Subsystem 4 - Part No: 8E0959802A
 >     Component: Tõrsteuer.HR BRM 0004

New:
 > Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels:. 8E0-959-433-MIN.clb
 >     Part No: 8E0 959 433 BD
 >     Component: Komfortgerát TBF    1712
 >     Coding: 07115
 >     Shop #: WSC 63251
 >     VCID: 74A40A7B4690B5E69E-4B00
 >
 >     Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8E2959802B
 >     Component: Tõrsteuer.FS BRM 0003
 >
 >     Subsystem 2 - Part No: 8E2959801B
 >     Component: Tõrsteuer.BF BRM 0003


The missing rear doors (subsystems) are a concern.  Please make sure
Adaptation channels 061 and 062 are configured properly:

http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/Audi_A4_(8E)_Comfort_System

The remote fob related PR code for this VIN is 5D1 "Carrier frequency
433.92 MHz-434.42 Mhz" so another thing we can verify is the frequency
shown on the fob itself in addition to the part number.  I believe the
factory remote would be: 8Z0 837 231 D

I believe we confirmed:
Original:
> Address 46: Central Conv. Labels:. 8E0-959-433-MAX.clb
> Part No: 8E0 959 433 BC

New:
> Address 46: Central Conv. Labels:. 8E0-959-433-MIN.clb
> Part No: 8E0 959 433 BD

Providing the parts catalog is correct that appears to be OK but I don't like that fact that the original was a MAX (high end) and the replacement is a MIN. That may or may not be relevant but most direct replacements get upgraded from min to max.

I am glad to see all 4 door modules decided to appear as slaves after adapting the module BUT all of the scans we have with 8E0 959 433 BD installed only have 2 slaves.

> Coding: 06601
> Coding: 06859
> Coding: 06986

That really makes me question the accuracy of the parts catalog. Please try one of the above (incorrect) coding strings as a test to see if any allow you to match the remotes.
 
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