FOBs remotes won't program when I've replaced BCM - Tiguan 2013

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I've replaced BCM on my 2013 Tiguan in order to retrofit bi-xenons
Old BCM was 5K0 937 086 M , new one is a highline 5K0 937 087 T . Unit bought used.
The problem I'm facing is that I cannot program FOBS (remotes). Flashes won't blink and when looking for error codes, I get error 01179 - Invalid key programming.
I've followed all instructions by Ross-Tech very carefully.

Any ideas?

Full scan with new BCM is as follows:

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Monday,17,April,2017,10:48:58:52699
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64
VCDS Version: 17.1.3.0 (x64)
Data version: 20170320 DS267.7
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VIN: WVGZZZ5NZDW043218   License Plate: 8554
Mileage: 117720km-73147mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: 5N (7N0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 4C 52 53 56 61 62 72

VIN: WVGZZZ5NZDW043218   Mileage: 117720km-73147miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: Malfunction 0010
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
4C-Tire Pressure II -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
61-Battery Regul. -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
 
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Address 01: Engine (J623-CFFB)       Labels: 03L-906-018-CFF.clb
   Part No SW: 03L 906 018 LE    HW: 03L 907 309 AE
   Component: R4 2,0L EDC   H28 4571  
   Revision: 41H28---    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 00190012040401080000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TDI01103L906018LE 003009
   ROD: EV_ECM20TDI01103L906018LE.rod
   VCID: 78F43811C31E9081D1-802C

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 0 0 1 

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 5N0-614-109-C6.clb
   Part No SW: 5N0 614 109 AR    HW: 5N0 614 109 AR
   Component: J104   C6 450M VD56 0006  
   Revision: --H07---    Serial number: 00000006258606
   Coding: 0037947
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 7BFE271D3A28BB99BC-802E

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: 5K0-907-044.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 907 044 GJ    HW: 5K0 907 044 GJ
   Component: Climatronic   H19 1313  
   Revision: 00001004    
   Coding: 0010004003
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Climatronic A01010
   ROD: EV_ClimaAutoBasis_VW36.rod
   VCID: 79F23D15F8148989AE-802C

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: 1K0-937-08x-09.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 937 087 T    HW: 5K0 937 087 T
   Component: BCM PQ35 H    021 0068  
   Revision: BK021001    
   Coding: 46180A3880251AC0408800C0340081644B51AA88436D81606480C7000041
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   VCID: 468886E9F16A367193-8012

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5N1 955 119     HW:              Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer 08101  013 0204 
   Serial number: N1955119   °204!
   Coding: 009795

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 AH  Labels: 1K0-955-559-AG.CLB
   Component: RLS 051012 05  54  0403 
   Coding: 02304D

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 5N0-959-655.lbl
   Part No SW: 5N0 959 655 AA    HW: 5N0 959 655 AA
   Component: J234__20J VW10 HI   2118  
   Revision: 24017000    Serial number: 003L7PLTU4Q.  
   Coding: 0012362
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 7CFC24013F26BCA1B5-8028

   Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332MTS661652712 

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342MTS670032702 

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6351HTS6P6IVBBKR 

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6361HTS6CUTADBKR 

   Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 00000000000000000

   Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 00000000000000000

1 Fault Found:
01578 - Airbag Deactivation Warning Lamp; Passenger Side (K145) 
            009 - Open or Short to Ground - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 11101001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 117724 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2017.04.17
                    Time: 10:45:13


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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels: 5K0-953-569.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 501 BD    HW: 5K0 953 569 J
   Component: LENKS.MODUL   014 0140  
   Revision: FF010041    Serial number: 20121006300001
   Coding: 5180040000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_VW360SteerWheelUDS A03004
   ROD: EV_VW360SteerWheelUDS.rod
   VCID: 6DDA1945BC5C252932-8038

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb
   Part No SW: 5N0 920 883 A    HW: 5N0 920 883 A
   Component: KOMBI         H05 0505  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 111F01
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04716
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW25.rod
   VCID: 3260CA3965E2BAD12F-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: 7N0-907-530-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 7N0 907 530 AC    HW: 7N0 907 530 AC
   Component: J533  Gateway H48 1633  
   Revision:   H48       Serial number: 270912F2000492
   Coding: 356002
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 71E20535A864C1C916-8024

1 Fault Found:
01305 - Databus for Infotainment 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 1
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 86
                    Mileage: 117724 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2017.04.17
                    Time: 10:45:13


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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234 
   Component: IMMO          H05 0505  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03709
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_VW21.rod
   VCID: 6AD012598DB2321157-803E

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels: 3C0-959-70X-GEN4.clb
   Part No SW: 5N0 959 701 F    HW: 3C0 959 793 B
   Component: TUER-SG FT    002 0503  
   Revision: 13110009    Serial number: 0005716407
   Coding: 0200BC
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TSGFPQ35BRFVW46X A04001
   ROD: EV_TSGFPQ35BRFVW46X.rod
   VCID: 3874F811839E508111-806C

   Slave Driver: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5N0 959 703 F    HW: 3C0 959 794 C  Labels: 1K0-959-70X-GEN4.CLB
   Component: J388__TSG-HL  008 1504 
   Serial number: 00000007278896      
   Coding: 000090

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 5N1-909-144.clb
   Part No SW: 5N1 909 144 N    HW: 5N1 909 148 G
   Component: J500__APA-BS KL.285 1101  
   Revision: 1AH03837    Serial number: 00122690267701
   Coding: 0000258
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 3D7AE90564BC75A9C2-8068

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels: 3C0-959-70X-GEN4.clb
   Part No SW: 5N0 959 702 F    HW: 3C0 959 792 B
   Component: TUER-SG BT    002 0503  
   Revision: 15110009    Serial number: 0005756361
   Coding: 0200BC
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TSGBPQ35BRFVW46X A04001
   ROD: EV_TSGBPQ35BRFVW46X.rod
   VCID: 3972FD15B8944989EE-806C

   Slave Passenger: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5N0 959 704 F    HW: 3C0 959 795 C  Labels: 1K0-959-70X-GEN4.CLB
   Component: J389__TSG-HR  008 1504 
   Serial number: 00000007283631      
   Coding: 000090

No fault code found.

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Address 53: Parking Brake        Labels: 3AA-907-801.clb
   Part No SW: 3AA 907 801 H    HW: 3AA 907 801 H
   Component: J540 EPB4  VW-86594 0010  
   Revision:   H19       Serial number: 00000000511436
   Coding: 0026167
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 3668F629418AA6F103-8062

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio
Cannot be reached

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Address 61: Battery Regul. (J840)       Labels: 1K0-907-534.clb
   Part No SW: 7N0 907 534     HW: 7N0 907 530 AC
   Component: Batt.regelung H48 1633  
   Serial number: 270912F2000492
   Coding: 030F1859
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 71E20535A864C1C916-8024

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 1K0 915 181 H    HW: 1K0 915 181 A
   Component: J367-BDM  H07 0180 
   Serial number: 00000000008900271979

No fault code found.

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Have you looked at MVBs 091 and 092 for clues?

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And Adaptation channel 19..
 
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Thanks for replying Uwe!!!

Have you looked at MVBs 091 and 092 for clues?

-Uwe-

you can check results by yourself below:



Address 09: Cent. Elect. (5K0 937 087 T)

21:42:13 Group 091: Remote Control
0 Remote Key Number
000 00 0 Remote Control Buttons
2 Immobilizer Key Recognition
0 Number of Adapted Remotes

21:42:13 Group 092: Remote Conntrol
no Value Fixed code
no Value Code In Reception Range
no Value Variable Code Algorithm

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Any idea on what should I do?? no clues other than everything described on Ross Tech pages.....

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Thanks for replying!

Thanks for replying NEtech!

Ch19 shows that facory mode is disabled.
 
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Per an email I was worried the replacement (used) BCM may not be compatible with the car/existing remotes.
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We usually direct all tweak and retrofits to our forum

http://forums.ross-tech.com

.. but make sure you de-activated Channel 019: Factory Mode and followed 
all of the Replacement Steps at the bottom of this page first:

http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/VW_Golf_(5K)_Body_Control_Module

If factory mode was already disabled and the remote(s) still will not 
match you may have a compatibility problem with the new BCM and the 
existing remotes.

If that's the case I would suggest joining the R-T forum and create a 
new thread within the Retrofits section.  You would want to post the 
complete Auto-Scan with the factory condition module and coding in 
addition to the scan in the current condition.

   If the BCM was sourced brand new from a VW dealer please include the 
complete part number of the replacement (i.e. 5K0-937-087-AB-Z02 which 
is the replacement according to PartsLink24 by VIN).

   If the BCM was sourced used it might not be possible to determine the 
index code (Z02 for example) but the VIN from the donor car may add 
clarity if you have it.

Unfortunately that base part number 5K0 937 087 T has 100 possible index/color codes so it won't be easy to pin down which index code it is but I think that would be for 315MHz remotes. Take a look at it and see if any of the writing on the new box confirms the incorrect frequency. The direct replacement per VIN (5K0-937-087-AB-Z02) shows 433MHz.
 
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315Mhz remotes

Per an email I was worried the replacement (used) BCM may not be compatible with the car/existing remotes.
Code:
We usually direct all tweak and retrofits to our forum

http://forums.ross-tech.com

.. but make sure you de-activated Channel 019: Factory Mode and followed 
all of the Replacement Steps at the bottom of this page first:

http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/VW_Golf_(5K)_Body_Control_Module

If factory mode was already disabled and the remote(s) still will not 
match you may have a compatibility problem with the new BCM and the 
existing remotes.

If that's the case I would suggest joining the R-T forum and create a 
new thread within the Retrofits section.  You would want to post the 
complete Auto-Scan with the factory condition module and coding in 
addition to the scan in the current condition.

   If the BCM was sourced brand new from a VW dealer please include the 
complete part number of the replacement (i.e. 5K0-937-087-AB-Z02 which 
is the replacement according to PartsLink24 by VIN).

   If the BCM was sourced used it might not be possible to determine the 
index code (Z02 for example) but the VIN from the donor car may add 
clarity if you have it.

Unfortunately that base part number 5K0 937 087 T has 100 possible index/color codes so it won't be easy to pin down which index code it is but I think that would be for 315MHz remotes. Take a look at it and see if any of the writing on the new box confirms the incorrect frequency. The direct replacement per VIN (5K0-937-087-AB-Z02) shows 433MHz.
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So Dana, Thanks again once more for replying.....

Do you think if I'll try to replace my remotes with those of 315Mhz will work ?
 
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You could try that but .. does that key separate from the remote fob? Some of the 2011+ model years (even without KESSY) are all one piece so you can't just slip on a remote like the good old days.
 
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Hello again

You could try that but .. does that key separate from the remote fob? Some of the 2011+ model years (even without KESSY) are all one piece so you can't just slip on a remote like the good old days.

Actually test didn't work, I've just ordered another BCM, the AB one....
 
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