Weird issue with O2 sensor and idle hunting on 2010 VW Polo 1.6 TDI CAYB

   #1  

zach138

Verified VCDS User
Verified
Joined
Jun 29, 2019
Messages
27
Reaction score
4
Location
UK
VCDS Serial number
C?ID=357411
Hello to the forum!

I'm a newbie and definitely not a mechanic but I'm trying to learn things day by day! I will try to describe the issue I'm facing as detailed as possible.

So I own a 2010 VW Polo 1.6 TDI CAYB for the last 5 months. It is low mileage (~75K miles) and in good shape overall (it only had an exhaust blown near the DPF which is well welded). I am the second owner since new and based on the paperwork the car had the emissions fix applied in 2017.

Accidently I noticed an idle hunting ONLY when car was hot (normal temperature), idle and stationary and with AC or rear window heater OFF. When I was giving load to the engine (e.g. turn AC ON) the hunting was disappearing. I had no warning lights, no power loss, nothing strange at all.

I visited my local VW main dealer for a full health check regarding the issue. Their diagnosis didn't come with any faults, no deviations, nothing at all.

I then consulted a reputable TDI specialist firm in UK and they told me that I should have an auto electrician look at this issue as first port of call. Indeed I visited an auto electrician in my region but the result was the same as VW main dealer: they couldn't find any issue even when they plugged the car and monitor it while the hunting was happening.

After that I had a talk with a friend of mine who is a tuner abroad and told me that in any case it should be could to reverse the emissions fix. Thus I was referred to a tuner in my region who did the rollback in the ECU software (from 9979 to 9970) and remove the flow transformer installed in front of the air mass sensor).

Miraculously the idle hunting disappeared! But after some days I noticed that it didn't; it was just happening in other timing:

When car is hot, on idle, stationary with engine on and without any load there is NO idle hunting. But when I turn off the engine and turn it on back again then after 10 seconds the idle hunting begins!

After that I asked a good friend who is mechanic (but not vag specialist!) for his opinion. So he plugged his ODB reader and we noticed that when the idle hunting was happening the O2 sensor was not working (reading was 0v). We monitored this and we saw that either when the car is cold or hot it takes a lot of time in order the O2 sensor starts working (giving readings >0v). For example I measured it from cold start and car moving and it takes almost 8-10 minutes in order the O2 to start working. It drops to 3-5 minutes from hot start and car moving. Also noticed that when engine is cold and car stationary it takes over 20 mins, and when engine is hot and car stationary over 10-12 mins.

I confirmed this with my VCDS as well as I run an auto scan which came with no fault codes at all. So I decided to check the O2 sensor. This specific car has only one pre cat O2 sensor (bank1). I checked the fuses, nothing wrong. I check the voltage in the O2 connector and I also check the voltage in the wiring which connects the O2 sensor with the ECU (in this case I only checked the connector which plugs into the O2 sensor. I found that all measurements were right according to specifications.

Then I replaced the O2 with a NGK/NTK one but the problem is still here.

I tried to unplug the O2 (and a couple of other sensors) while they were working to see if there is any difference but I came with nothing. I only noticed that when I disconnected O2 while it was working and connecting it back again it continued working. Only if I turn off the engine and turn it on back again then it needs a lot of time to start giving reading >0v

Here is a log of the VCDS auto-scan after I unplugged the sensors while working:

Code:
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64(VMWare)
VCDS Version 19.6.0.2 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4505.4
Data version: 20190529 DS308.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WVWZZZ6RZBY056090
Mileage: 117670km-73116mi   Repair Order: 



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Chassis Type: 6R-VW25 (6N0)
Scan: 01 03 04 08 09 15 17 19 25 2E 44 56

VIN: WVWZZZ6RZBY056090   Mileage: 117670km-73116miles

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
2E-Media Player 3 -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (J623-CAYB)       Labels:. 03L-906-023-CAY.clb
   Part No SW: 03L 906 023 BC    HW: 03L 906 023 D
   Component: 1,6l R4 CR td H13 9970  
   Revision: --H13---    Serial number:               
   Coding: 00114014000500080000
   Shop #: WSC 124697 483 00190
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM16TDI02103L906023BC 003009
   ROD: EV_ECM16TDI02103L906023AH_003.rod
   VCID: 6889BA3D92F89257621-803D

1 Fault Found:
6342 - Oxygen (Lambda) Sensor B1 S1: Heating Circuit 
          P0030 00 [096] - Malfunction / Open Circuit
          Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 4
                    Mileage: 117123 km
                    Date: 2019.06.02
                    Time: 18:19:56

                    Engine speed: 764.75 /min
                    Normed load value: 2.4 %
                    Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
                    Coolant temperature: 90 °C
                    Intake air temperature: 33 °C
                    Ambient air pressure: 980 mbar
                    Voltage terminal 30: 13.553 V
                    Unlearning counter according OBD: 23
                    Oxygen sensor controller register-STATE_LSL_IF_SPI_RD[1]: 228
                    Voltage of oxygen sensor bank 1 sensor 1 (broadband sensor): 0.503 Lambda / 0.000 V
                    O2 sensor 1 bank 1: duty cycle O2 heater-LSHPWM_UP[1]: 3.125000 %
                    Oxygen sensor 1 bank 1 ceramic temp-TTIP_MES_LS_UP[1]: 500.0000 °C
                    Time since engine start: 273 s
                    Battery voltage: 13.8 V
                    Exh gas press sensor 1: uncond voltage value-PRS_EX_PCAT_UP: 993.85 hPa

Readiness: 0000 0000

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 6R0-907-37x-ESP82.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 907 379 AJ    HW: 6R0 907 379 AF
   Component: ESP8.2i front H05 0001  
   Revision: --------    
   Coding: 230228E3417200B8C42514EB82D100821300
   Shop #: WSC 02069 000 00000
   VCID: 06559485B86C6427F0D-8053

1 Fault Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 208
                    Mileage: 116494 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2013.10.15
                    Time: 09:17:55

             Freeze Frame:
                    Hex Value: 0x0000
                    Hex Value: 0x0002
                    Hex Value: 0x12FD
                    Hex Value: 0x2599
                    Hex Value: 0x007F
                    Hex Value: 0x7F7F
                    Hex Value: 0x7F00


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 08: Auto HVAC (J301)       Labels: 6R0-820-045-9AP.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 820 045 J    HW: 6R0 820 045 J
   Component: Climatic       25 0660  
   Revision: 00 11 25    
   VCID: 35372349954A3FBF297-8061

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 6R0-937-08x-09.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 937 087 H    HW: 6R0 937 087 
   Component: BCM PQ25 H+4  H46 0230  
   Revision: BF046001    Serial number: 0345 196101793
   Coding: 25B029BF08E12400922000003D2B0CD00000410F60060000200000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00631 210 91765
   VCID: 42DD4895D48498079C5-8017

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 R    HW: 6R0 959 802 R  Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB
   Component: J386__TSG_FT  006 0912 
   Serial number: KU0-KU030.06.1011032
   Coding: 08BC30

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 T    HW: 6R0 959 801 T  Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB
   Component: J387__TSG_BT  006 0912 
   Serial number: KU0-KU001.07.1011838
   Coding: 08BC30

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1K8 951 171 A
   Component: DWA-Sensor 00  001 0103 
   Coding: 000000

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 1K8 951 605 A
   Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H11 9004 
   Coding: 000000

   Subsystem 5 - Part No: 1K8 951 171 A
   Component: DWA-Sensor 00  001 0103 
   Coding: 000000

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 959 655 K    HW: 6R0 959 655 K
   Component: VW10Airbag00A H09 0020  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 003GX004AVS$
   Coding: 003041
   Shop #: WSC 124697 483 00190
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250 A01001
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250.rod
   VCID: 4ACD60B5EC344047545-801F

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 3572SRB40000C31D41F7

   Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 3582SRB40000C291419/

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side: 
   Serial number: 3515RRB40696Q5E6BGS 

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side: 
   Serial number: 3525RRB405D6R0C291RE

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 6R0 920 961 F    HW: 6R0 920 961 F
   Component: KOMBI         H04 0304  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 440A00
   Shop #: WSC 124697 483 00190
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04086
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW23.rod
   VCID: 392F2F79B9D2DBDFCDF-806D

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 6N0-909-901-6R.clb
   Part No SW: 6N0 909 901     HW: 6R0 937 087 
   Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 0230  
   Coding: 002100
   Shop #: WSC 00631 210 91765
   VCID: 70B9D25DAAA85A973A1-8025

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234 
   Component: IMMO          H04 0304  
   Serial number:               
   Coding: 000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03008
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09.rod
   VCID: 6A8DC0358CF4A047745-803F

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 2E: Media Player 3 (J650)       Labels:. 5N0-035-342.lbl
   Part No SW: 5N0 035 342 C    HW: 5N0 035 342 C
   Component: SG EXT.PLAYER H13 0111  
   Revision: A1001003    Serial number: 7668265792    
   Coding: 010000
   Shop #: WSC 124697 483 00190
   VCID: 270BF9015FE65D2FABB-8073

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 6Q0-423-156.clb
   Part No: 6R0 423 156 B
   Component: LenkhilfeTRW        V277  
   Coding: 11230
   Shop #: WSC 00788  
   VCID: 2F3B11217E56056F63B-807B

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels:. 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb
   Part No SW: 6RD 035 187 B    HW: 6RD 035 187 B
   Component: Radio         541 5314  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: VWZZZ4J6278413
   Coding: 16000440040005
   Shop #: WSC 127395 840 08317
   VCID: 46D55485F8ACA427B0D-8013

3 Faults Found:
00876 - Treble Speaker Rear Left (R14) 
            011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00111011
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 168
                    Mileage: 116494 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2013.10.15
                    Time: 09:26:15

00877 - Treble Speaker Rear Right (R16) 
            011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00111011
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 168
                    Mileage: 116494 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2013.10.15
                    Time: 09:26:15

02873 - Control Module for Back-Up Camera (J772) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00110100
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 168
                    Mileage: 116494 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2013.10.15
                    Time: 10:17:24


End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:32, VBatt start/end: 12.2V/12.2V)-----------

and this is the log when I cleared the faults:

Code:
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64(VMWare)
VCDS Version 19.6.1.0 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4508.4
Data version: 20190529 DS308.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WVWZZZ6RZBY056090
Mileage: 118650km-73725mi   Repair Order: 



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Chassis Type: 6R-VW25 (6N0)
Scan: 01 03 04 08 09 15 17 19 25 2E 44 56

VIN: WVWZZZ6RZBY056090   Mileage: 118650km-73725miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
2E-Media Player 3 -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (J623-CAYB)       Labels:. 03L-906-023-CAY.clb
   Part No SW: 03L 906 023 BC    HW: 03L 906 023 D
   Component: 1,6l R4 CR td H13 9970  
   Revision: --H13---    Serial number:               
   Coding: 00114014000500080000
   Shop #: WSC 124697 483 00190
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM16TDI02103L906023BC 003009
   ROD: EV_ECM16TDI02103L906023AH_003.rod
   VCID: 6889BA3D92F89257629-803D

No fault code found.
Readiness: 1110 1000

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 6R0-907-37x-ESP82.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 907 379 AJ    HW: 6R0 907 379 AF
   Component: ESP8.2i front H05 0001  
   Revision: --------    
   Coding: 230228E3417200B8C42514EB82D100821300
   Shop #: WSC 02069 000 00000
   VCID: 06559485B86C6427F05-8053

1 Fault Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module 
            013 - Check DTC Memory - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101101
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 14
                    Mileage: 118391 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2013.11.15
                    Time: 19:46:57

             Freeze Frame:
                    Hex Value: 0x0003
                    Hex Value: 0x0002
                    Hex Value: 0x1107
                    Hex Value: 0x138B
                    Hex Value: 0x007E
                    Hex Value: 0x7F7F
                    Hex Value: 0x7D00


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 08: Auto HVAC (J301)       Labels: 6R0-820-045-9AP.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 820 045 J    HW: 6R0 820 045 J
   Component: Climatic       25 0660  
   Revision: 00 11 25    
   VCID: 35372349954A3FBF29F-8061

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 6R0-937-08x-09.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 937 087 H    HW: 6R0 937 087 
   Component: BCM PQ25 H+4  H46 0230  
   Revision: BF046001    Serial number: 0345 196101793
   Coding: 25B029BF08E12400922000003D2B0CD00000410F60060000200000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00631 210 91765
   VCID: 42DD4895D48498079CD-8017

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 R    HW: 6R0 959 802 R  Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB
   Component: J386__TSG_FT  006 0912 
   Serial number: KU0-KU030.06.1011032
   Coding: 08BC30

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 T    HW: 6R0 959 801 T  Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB
   Component: J387__TSG_BT  006 0912 
   Serial number: KU0-KU001.07.1011838
   Coding: 08BC30

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1K8 951 171 A
   Component: DWA-Sensor 00  001 0103 
   Coding: 000000

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 1K8 951 605 A
   Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H11 9004 
   Coding: 000000

   Subsystem 5 - Part No: 1K8 951 171 A
   Component: DWA-Sensor 00  001 0103 
   Coding: 000000

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 959 655 K    HW: 6R0 959 655 K
   Component: VW10Airbag00A H09 0020  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 003GX004AVS$
   Coding: 003041
   Shop #: WSC 124697 483 00190
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250 A01001
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250.rod
   VCID: 4ACD60B5EC34404754D-801F

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 3572SRB40000C31D41F7

   Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 3582SRB40000C291419/

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side: 
   Serial number: 3515RRB40696Q5E6BGS 

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side: 
   Serial number: 3525RRB405D6R0C291RE

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 6R0 920 961 F    HW: 6R0 920 961 F
   Component: KOMBI         H04 0304  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 440A00
   Shop #: WSC 124697 483 00190
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04086
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW23.rod
   VCID: 392F2F79B9D2DBDFCD7-806D

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 6N0-909-901-6R.clb
   Part No SW: 6N0 909 901     HW: 6R0 937 087 
   Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 0230  
   Coding: 002100
   Shop #: WSC 00631 210 91765
   VCID: 70B9D25DAAA85A973A9-8025

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234 
   Component: IMMO          H04 0304  
   Serial number:               
   Coding: 000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03008
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09.rod
   VCID: 6A8DC0358CF4A04774D-803F

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 2E: Media Player 3 (J650)       Labels:. 5N0-035-342.lbl
   Part No SW: 5N0 035 342 C    HW: 5N0 035 342 C
   Component: SG EXT.PLAYER H13 0111  
   Revision: A1001003    Serial number: 7668265792    
   Coding: 010000
   Shop #: WSC 124697 483 00190
   VCID: 270BF9015FE65D2FAB3-8073

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 6Q0-423-156.clb
   Part No: 6R0 423 156 B
   Component: LenkhilfeTRW        V277  
   Coding: 11230
   Shop #: WSC 00788  
   VCID: 2F3B11217E56056F633-807B

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels:. 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb
   Part No SW: 6RD 035 187 B    HW: 6RD 035 187 B
   Component: Radio         541 5314  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: VWZZZ4J6278413
   Coding: 16000400040005
   Shop #: WSC 127395 840 08317
   VCID: 46D55485F8ACA427B05-8013

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:30, VBatt start/end: 13.7V/13.9V)-----------

I noticed that fault 01314 - Engine Control Module 013 - Check DTC Memory - Intermittent was still there and I managed to clear it manually (through VCDS)

This is my most recent VCDS auto scan:

Code:
Monday,22,July,2019,16:02:13:46225
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64(VMWare)
VCDS Version 19.6.1.0 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4508.4
Data version: 20190529 DS308.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WVWZZZ6RZBY056090
Mileage: 120230km-74707mi   Repair Order: 


Chassis Type: 6R-VW25 (6N0)
Scan: 01 03 04 08 09 15 17 19 25 2E 44 56

VIN: WVWZZZ6RZBY056090   Mileage: 120230km-74707miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
2E-Media Player 3 -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (J623-CAYB)       Labels:. 03L-906-023-CAY.clb
   Part No SW: 03L 906 023 BC    HW: 03L 906 023 D
   Component: 1,6l R4 CR td H13 9970  
   Revision: --H13---    Serial number:               
   Coding: 00114014000500080000
   Shop #: WSC 124697 483 00190
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM16TDI02103L906023BC 003009
   ROD: EV_ECM16TDI02103L906023AH_003.rod
   VCID: 6889BA3D92F89257629-803D

No fault code found.
Readiness: 1110 1000

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 6R0-907-37x-ESP82.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 907 379 AJ    HW: 6R0 907 379 AF
   Component: ESP8.2i front H05 0001  
   Revision: --------    
   Coding: 230228E3417200B8C42514EB82D100821300
   Shop #: WSC 02069 000 00000
   VCID: 06559485B86C6427F05-8053

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 08: Auto HVAC (J301)       Labels: 6R0-820-045-9AP.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 820 045 J    HW: 6R0 820 045 J
   Component: Climatic       25 0660  
   Revision: 00 11 25    
   VCID: 35372349954A3FBF29F-8061

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 6R0-937-08x-09.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 937 087 H    HW: 6R0 937 087 
   Component: BCM PQ25 H+4  H46 0230  
   Revision: BF046001    Serial number: 0345 196101793
   Coding: 25B029BF08E12400922000003D2B0CD00000410F60060000200000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00631 210 91765
   VCID: 42DD4895D48498079CD-8017

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 R    HW: 6R0 959 802 R  Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB
   Component: J386__TSG_FT  006 0912 
   Serial number: KU0-KU030.06.1011032
   Coding: 08BC30

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 T    HW: 6R0 959 801 T  Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB
   Component: J387__TSG_BT  006 0912 
   Serial number: KU0-KU001.07.1011838
   Coding: 08BC30

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1K8 951 171 A
   Component: DWA-Sensor 00  001 0103 
   Coding: 000000

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 1K8 951 605 A
   Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H11 9004 
   Coding: 000000

   Subsystem 5 - Part No: 1K8 951 171 A
   Component: DWA-Sensor 00  001 0103 
   Coding: 000000

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 959 655 K    HW: 6R0 959 655 K
   Component: VW10Airbag00A H09 0020  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 003GX004AVS$
   Coding: 003041
   Shop #: WSC 124697 483 00190
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250 A01001
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250.rod
   VCID: 4ACD60B5EC34404754D-801F

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 3572SRB40000C31D41F7

   Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 3582SRB40000C291419/

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side: 
   Serial number: 3515RRB40696Q5E6BGS 

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side: 
   Serial number: 3525RRB405D6R0C291RE

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 6R0 920 961 F    HW: 6R0 920 961 F
   Component: KOMBI         H04 0304  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 440A00
   Shop #: WSC 124697 483 00190
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04086
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW23.rod
   VCID: 392F2F79B9D2DBDFCD7-806D

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 6N0-909-901-6R.clb
   Part No SW: 6N0 909 901     HW: 6R0 937 087 
   Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 0230  
   Coding: 002100
   Shop #: WSC 00631 210 91765
   VCID: 70B9D25DAAA85A973A9-8025

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234 
   Component: IMMO          H04 0304  
   Serial number:               
   Coding: 000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03008
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09.rod
   VCID: 6A8DC0358CF4A04774D-803F

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 2E: Media Player 3 (J650)       Labels:. 5N0-035-342.lbl
   Part No SW: 5N0 035 342 C    HW: 5N0 035 342 C
   Component: SG EXT.PLAYER H13 0111  
   Revision: A1001003    Serial number: 7668265792    
   Coding: 010000
   Shop #: WSC 124697 483 00190
   VCID: 270BF9015FE65D2FAB3-8073

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 6Q0-423-156.clb
   Part No: 6R0 423 156 B
   Component: LenkhilfeTRW        V277  
   Coding: 11230
   Shop #: WSC 00788  
   VCID: 2F3B11217E56056F633-807B

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels:. 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb
   Part No SW: 6RD 035 187 B    HW: 6RD 035 187 B
   Component: Radio         541 5314  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: VWZZZ4J6278413
   Coding: 16000400040005
   Shop #: WSC 127395 840 08317
   VCID: 46D55485F8ACA427B05-8013

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:29, VBatt start/end: 13.6V/13.5V)-----------

I also took some measurements of the injectors while idle hunting is happening

Here are two logs for your review:

https://www.mediafire.com/file/hjk9031htsajxnb/LOG-01-IDE00365ENG99400__1.pdf/file

and

https://www.mediafire.com/file/rjprscpcxz2dr9h/LOG-01-IDE00365ENG99400__2.pdf/file

What is your thoughts and advise on these? Is it normal for the O2 to show 0v readings? And to take so much time to start "working"?

Please accept my apologies for the long post and for any mistake in the above. Any advise/guidance for what to do next will be much appreciated.

Regards

Zach
 
  • Like
Reactions: Uwe
   #2  

zach138

Verified VCDS User
Verified
Joined
Jun 29, 2019
Messages
27
Reaction score
4
Location
UK
VCDS Serial number
C?ID=357411
Any thoughts guys? Any directions? Is this a normal behaviour for the O2 sensor?
 
   #3  

zach138

Verified VCDS User
Verified
Joined
Jun 29, 2019
Messages
27
Reaction score
4
Location
UK
VCDS Serial number
C?ID=357411
No thoughts on this, folks?
 
   #4  

Jack@European_Parts

Gone But Not Forgotten
Professional VCDS User
Joined
Jan 29, 2014
Messages
21,923
Reaction score
9,308
Location
Montgomery, NY, USA
VCDS Serial number
C?ID=57337
Hello OP & welcome to the VCDS forum.

Please log MAF, IAT and ECT during this transition in temp and restarts.

What is the true status of OXS heating circuit and is it possible short to signal upon ground sporadically not just open or inadequate shield?

LOG OXS heater and watch with DVOM for amperage draw and isolate each track to OXS.

Verify control unit not with water ingress or corrosion?

Tuning doesn't fix FOD it only usually compounds it!

What are fuses looking like?

JPPSG

fod-control-signs-risk-series.png
 
   #5  

zach138

Verified VCDS User
Verified
Joined
Jun 29, 2019
Messages
27
Reaction score
4
Location
UK
VCDS Serial number
C?ID=357411
Thank you Jack for your reply.

I will follow your guide hopefully I will come up with some logs to post during weekend.

Apart from that, fuses have been checked and all are in good shape.

Verification of ecu regarding water ingress and corrosion will be the last thing to do after checking everything else. From what I can see from the outer case of the ecu only the screws have a little corrosion sth that it is expected for a 10years old vehicle in UK and especially where the ECU is located in the engine bay.

I would like to ask if you agree that this behavior of O2 sensor is not normal? I am asking cause I have came up with different opinions on this?

And you tell that this has nothing to do with ecu software? Such flashing of stock software was not "successfull"?

Did you notice anything abnormal in the logs that I provided?

Apart from that, the idle hunting is happening due to the misfunction of the O2 or it is an issue that occurs from sth else?

Thanks again a lot; I look forward to your answers.

Zach
 
   #6  

Jack@European_Parts

Gone But Not Forgotten
Professional VCDS User
Joined
Jan 29, 2014
Messages
21,923
Reaction score
9,308
Location
Montgomery, NY, USA
VCDS Serial number
C?ID=57337
Could be wrong OXS sensor and if MAF IAT or ECT is wacko all will affect the response and what is seen.

OXS sensors easily can become contaminated with soot and block a valid reading.

Does the car puke soot or is it actually running lean?

I didn't look at your logs because & I don't go external outside this forum by links.
 
   #7  

zach138

Verified VCDS User
Verified
Joined
Jun 29, 2019
Messages
27
Reaction score
4
Location
UK
VCDS Serial number
C?ID=357411
Understood. Sensor is the right one, NGK/NTK oem part and double checked that. I will of course monitor MAF IAT ECT etc.

No the car is running pretty fine, no power loss,no smoke, no excessive fuel consumption, just normal as expected. Only this idle hunting when hot and only when o2 gives 0v readings.

The thing that I didn't do and I just read it on the internet is to reset the ECU after replacing the o2 sensor. I don't really if this is sth or nor.

Yes I totally understand about the external links but I didn't see any way to upload the logs (pdf) in my post? Is this possible?
 
   #8  

Uwe

Benevolent Dictator
Administrator
Joined
Jan 29, 2014
Messages
49,302
Reaction score
33,825
Location
USA
VCDS Serial number
HC100001
Yes I totally understand about the external links but I didn't see any way to upload the logs (pdf) in my post? Is this possible?
No, we don't allow attachments here, but you can paste log data in-line (it's just text) the same way you pasted your Auto-Scan.

-Uwe-
 
   #9  

zach138

Verified VCDS User
Verified
Joined
Jun 29, 2019
Messages
27
Reaction score
4
Location
UK
VCDS Serial number
C?ID=357411
No, we don't allow attachments here, but you can paste log data in-line (it's just text) the same way you pasted your Auto-Scan.

-Uwe-

Thanks Uwe, unfortunately the injector logs are tables (not simple text) and thus it seems that putting in code (like auto-scan) makes them really difficult to be read. Or I may do sth wrong while putting tables in code.

Edit:

Here I managed to upload the log as image for your review, this is an injector test with VCDS when idle hunting is happening and o2 sensor gives 0v readings- it may help:

28at508.jpg

23uvey1.jpg

2q8amx2.jpg
 
Last edited:
   #10  

zach138

Verified VCDS User
Verified
Joined
Jun 29, 2019
Messages
27
Reaction score
4
Location
UK
VCDS Serial number
C?ID=357411
@Jack@European_Parts

Hello again.

So a couple of days ago I visited the tuner who did the software rollback to my Polo.

Along with his mechanic we did a full mechanical test on my car (including smoke test) as well as testing with VCDS which revealed a faulty EGR.

My tuner suggested that it is better (in terms of perfomance and monetary) to delete EGR rather than replacing it.

Following this I would like to ask your opinion on the following:

- Is it safe to delete EGR without deleting DPF? Cause I have read around that once you delete EGR it is good to delete DPF as well (which I am not gonna do mainly due to MOT reasons)
- In case that I replace EGR with a new one, it will need coding through VCDS, is that right? In such case can you point me to a guide of doing this coding myself?

Thank you again for your consideration; I look forward to your thoughts and advice.
 
   #11  

Uwe

Benevolent Dictator
Administrator
Joined
Jan 29, 2014
Messages
49,302
Reaction score
33,825
Location
USA
VCDS Serial number
HC100001
@Jack@European_Parts

Hello again.

So a couple of days ago I visited the tuner who did the software rollback to my Polo.

Along with his mechanic we did a full mechanical test on my car (including smoke test) as well as testing with VCDS which revealed a faulty EGR.

My tuner suggested that it is better (in terms of perfomance and monetary) to delete EGR rather than replacing it.

Following this I would like to ask your opinion on the following:

- Is it safe to delete EGR without deleting DPF? Cause I have read around that once you delete EGR it is good to delete DPF as well (which I am not gonna do mainly due to MOT reasons)
- In case that I replace EGR with a new one, it will need coding through VCDS, is that right? In such case can you point me to a guide of doing this coding myself?

Thank you again for your consideration; I look forward to your thoughts and advice.
Jack is pretty firm in his belief that no emissions-control related things should ever be deleted, so I think you might be asking the wrong person for this kind of advice.

In fact, you might want to steel yourself for something of a rant. :eek:

-Uwe-
 
   #12  

zach138

Verified VCDS User
Verified
Joined
Jun 29, 2019
Messages
27
Reaction score
4
Location
UK
VCDS Serial number
C?ID=357411
Jack is pretty firm in his belief that no emissions-control related things should ever be deleted, so I think you might be asking the wrong person for this kind of advice.

In fact, you might want to steel yourself for something of a rant. :eek:

-Uwe-

Haha! Fair enough, I am also that type of guy thus the question. In fact I would like to delete it first in order to check that it is indeed faulty and then replace it with a new one and recode it.

So let's "transform" my first question a little bit: In case I temporarily delete EGR, will this help me confirm that it is indeed faulty? So I can then replace it with a new one?

(question number 2 is still valid of course :) )
 
   #13  

Jack@European_Parts

Gone But Not Forgotten
Professional VCDS User
Joined
Jan 29, 2014
Messages
21,923
Reaction score
9,308
Location
Montgomery, NY, USA
VCDS Serial number
C?ID=57337
Jack is pretty firm in his belief that no emissions-control related things should ever be deleted, so I think you might be asking the wrong person for this kind of advice.

In fact, you might want to steel yourself for something of a rant. :eek:

-Uwe-


IDK Uwe, it seems that there have been many forum inquiries recently & with specific requests to assist with AECD deletes & coming from this aforementioned tuner, no?

At least there is a paper trail being established to identify it, huh? :rolleyes:

Haha! Fair enough, I am also that type of guy thus the question. In fact I would like to delete it first in order to check that it is indeed faulty and then replace it with a new one and recode it.

So let's "transform" my first question a little bit: In case I temporarily delete EGR, will this help me confirm that it is indeed faulty? So I can then replace it with a new one?

(question number 2 is still valid of course :) )


https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/documents/exhsysrepair.pdf

https://forums.ross-tech.com/showth...smelly-Garbage-can-dumped-on-Motorsports!-WTF


208jh9.gif
 
   #14  

zach138

Verified VCDS User
Verified
Joined
Jun 29, 2019
Messages
27
Reaction score
4
Location
UK
VCDS Serial number
C?ID=357411
I can see your point out there Jack.

As I said before I am not seeking assist on deleting EGR. I don't want to delete it anyways, I am only seeking to find a way to double check that it is faulty before replacing it with a new one.

So let's forget this question and focus on the major thing. I can replace the EGR with a new one (WAHLER probably, what do u think?). But I am little bit confused on how to code the new one with my VCDS.

Is there any guide to point me to? Or any advice on this?

Thanks again for your help so far.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Uwe
   #15  

Jack@European_Parts

Gone But Not Forgotten
Professional VCDS User
Joined
Jan 29, 2014
Messages
21,923
Reaction score
9,308
Location
Montgomery, NY, USA
VCDS Serial number
C?ID=57337
I can see your point out there Jack.

As I said before I am not seeking assist on deleting EGR. I don't want to delete it anyways, I am only seeking to find a way to double check that it is faulty before replacing it with a new one.

So let's forget this question and focus on the major thing. I can replace the EGR with a new one (WAHLER probably, what do u think?). But I am little bit confused on how to code the new one with my VCDS.

Is there any guide to point me to? Or any advice on this?

Thanks again for your help so far.




What a fabulous bunch of self evident questions, let's ask ourselves some basic questions okay?

How about test it using mechanical tools and the RTFB & using WD and decade box?

http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/Official_Factory_Repair_Information


Remove FOD and do a repair that comports?

fod-control-signs-risk-series.png


Ever use a mighty vac?

mity-vac.jpg
 
   #16  

zach138

Verified VCDS User
Verified
Joined
Jun 29, 2019
Messages
27
Reaction score
4
Location
UK
VCDS Serial number
C?ID=357411
Thanks Jack.

At least for me these are not self evident unfortunately. I am not a mechanic and I am only now getting a little bit familiarise with all these terms.

I am asking this forum for advice and guidance on my findings so I can see what's going on and discuss on these-possibly help others with similar issues. I think this is the role of such a forum.

One more time I really appreciate your help.

Additionally may I ask if there is a need for coding after replacing the EGR? If so, is there any guide/video that can be helpful towards that? Lastly is there any specific EGR brand that you can recommend for my VW Polo 1.6 TDI CAYB (2010 model)?

I will replace the EGR with the help of a friend who is mechanic but we are both not so familiar with VCDS. In case that I replace it myself, is it safe to drive let's say 40-50 miles to visit a tuner that can code the new EGR?
 
   #17  

Jack@European_Parts

Gone But Not Forgotten
Professional VCDS User
Joined
Jan 29, 2014
Messages
21,923
Reaction score
9,308
Location
Montgomery, NY, USA
VCDS Serial number
C?ID=57337
Thanks Jack.

At least for me these are not self evident unfortunately. I am not a mechanic and I am only now getting a little bit familiarise with all these terms.

I am asking this forum for advice and guidance on my findings so I can see what's going on and discuss on these-possibly help others with similar issues. I think this is the role of such a forum.

One more time I really appreciate your help.

Additionally may I ask if there is a need for coding after replacing the EGR? If so, is there any guide/video that can be helpful towards that? Lastly is there any specific EGR brand that you can recommend for my VW Polo 1.6 TDI CAYB (2010 model)?

I will replace the EGR with the help of a friend who is mechanic but we are both not so familiar with VCDS. In case that I replace it myself, is it safe to drive let's say 40-50 miles to visit a tuner that can code the new EGR?


The role of this forum is not a substitute for the RTFB, nor to be used without it with your VCDS scanner or to assist in ways of circumventing an AECD.

As far as parts brands go, I'd say get the genuine part from the dealer & based on the correct attributes your car was originally certified.

As to safety, I always again refer you to obtain the RTFB, proper training & you should never drive a car anywhere impaired, with MIL or modified FOD code.

Additionally, I'd recommend a good read of the SSP for design and function of the vehicle you are working on.

You would think that before modifying any vehicle, you would at least understand what it is you are doing or get alleged instructions from the "TUNER" especially who encouraged this behavior by deceptive marketing, huh?

TTYT!
 
   #18  

zach138

Verified VCDS User
Verified
Joined
Jun 29, 2019
Messages
27
Reaction score
4
Location
UK
VCDS Serial number
C?ID=357411
Thank a lot Jack for your help and advice; it is much appreciated.

I will get back with results when I'll complete the replacement.
 
   #19  

Jack@European_Parts

Gone But Not Forgotten
Professional VCDS User
Joined
Jan 29, 2014
Messages
21,923
Reaction score
9,308
Location
Montgomery, NY, USA
VCDS Serial number
C?ID=57337
Thank a lot Jack for your help and advice; it is much appreciated.

I will get back with results when I'll complete the replacement.

Great, I look forward to questions based on the RTFB and actual mechanical tests to be done without requests for opinions on an AECD removal or later equivocating with disingenuous words to try and get your answer like a traveling salesman, okay?

 
   #20  

zach138

Verified VCDS User
Verified
Joined
Jun 29, 2019
Messages
27
Reaction score
4
Location
UK
VCDS Serial number
C?ID=357411
Great, I look forward to questions based on the RTFB and actual mechanical tests to be done without requests for opinions on an AECD removal or later equivocating with disingenuous words to try and get your answer like a traveling salesman, okay?


That's far away from the truth I am afraid. But I can't and I don't want to change your mind. I respect your help and your contribution to my issue so far. Thanks Jack.
 
Back
Top