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Hello,

I replaced the G450 sensor today and attempted to adapt it using the Ross Wiki instructions

UDS Protocol (G450) procedure
Key ON, Engine OFF
[Basic Settings]
Select Adaptation of diff. pressure sensor particulate filter
[Go!] to activate the Basic Setting.
After the result of Finished Correctly appears click [Stop]
Select Resetting of learned values of difference pressure sensor
[Go!] to activate the Basic Setting.
After the result of Finished Correctly appears click [Stop]
[Done, Go Back]

I was able to do the first bit no problem but when I went to do the second part, the "Resetting of learned values of difference pressure sensor" option was not available.

Basic%20functions_zpsp6e8scdx.jpg


I'm using version 17.1.3

Just wondering if the second part is essential to allow me to drive the car safely.
Any advice is greatly appreciated.

Golf VI 1.6 TDi Bluemotion 1K

Chris
 
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Please post an Auto-Scan so people can see exactly what ECU you have and what software is in it.

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Code:
Tuesday,07,March,2017,15:08:22:63220
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 17.1.3.0 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4334.4
Data version: 20170203 DS267.2
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WVWZZZ1KZBW115393   License Plate: 
Mileage: 128350km-79752mi   Repair Order: 


Chassis Type: 1K (7N0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 10 15 16 17 19 25 2E 42 44 46 52 56 61 62 72 77
         

VIN: WVWZZZ1KZBW115393   Mileage: 128350km-79752miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
2E-Media Player 3 -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
61-Battery Regul. -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (J623-CAYC)       Labels: 03L-906-023-CAY.clb
   Part No SW: 03L 906 023 DQ    HW: 03L 906 023 A
   Component: 1,6l R4 CR td H23 6302  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 00114034032501080000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM16TDI02103L906023DQ 003007
   ROD: EV_ECM16TDI02103L906023FL.rod
   VCID: 78AAE24C525C2487159-802C

No fault code found.
Readiness: 1110 1000

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 BE    HW: 1K0 907 379 BE
   Component: ESP MK60EC1   H31 0108  
   Revision: 00H31001    
   Coding: 133B200D092300FFC80E04ED901C0091310000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 76B6EC7458C852F7075-8022

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J301)       Labels: 3C8-907-336.clb
   Part No SW: 3C8 907 336 AB    HW: 3C8 907 336 AB
   Component: Climatic      H14 0305  
   Revision: 00009001    
   Coding: 0000000003
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Climatic A01005
   ROD: EV_ClimaBasis_VW36.rod
   VCID: 6D84C3182D1E912FF6F-8038

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: 1K0-937-08x-09.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 937 086 H    HW: 1K0 937 086 H
   Component: BCM PQ35  M   103 0615  
   Revision: 00103 AD    
   Coding: 48180A3A8825F1C040080080340081E443510088436D8160648087200041
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 35342B78054E19EFCEF-8060

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K2 955 119 F  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer 24091  26  0512 
   Coding: 009795

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 AH  Labels: 1K0-955-559-AG.CLB
   Component: RLS 100910 05  54  0403 
   Coding: 0330AD

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1K8 951 171 
   Component: DWA-Sensor 00  001 0104 

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 1K8 951 605 A
   Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H11 9004 

2 Faults Found:
01134 - Alarm Horn (H12) 
            000 -  - 
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 4
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 116
                    Mileage: 128101 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2011.06.22
                    Time: 09:51:10

             Freeze Frame:
                        Term 15 On
                    Voltage: 14.80 V
                        ON
                        ON
                        Term 50 On
                        OFF
                        OFF

00526 - Brake Light Switch (F) 
            008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101000
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 3
                    Reset counter: 160
                    Mileage: 128342 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2011.07.25
                    Time: 19:19:26

             Freeze Frame:
                        Term 15 On
                    Voltage: 11.55 V
                        ON
                        ON
                        Term 50 On
                        OFF
                        OFF


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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels: 3C8-919-475.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 919 475 C    HW: 5K0 919 475 
   Component: PARKHILFE 8K  H07 0008  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 12941025315830
   Coding: 100001
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 36362C74184812F7C75-8062

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels: 5K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 959 655 D    HW: 5K0 959 655 D
   Component: AirbagVW10    037 0606  
   Serial number: 003FKRADVJGP  
   Coding: 00003133
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10SMEVW360 A01011
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW10SMEVW360.rod
   VCID: 3B203D4023EACF9F38B-806E

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 354     HW: 5K0 959 354 
   Component: S.Sens.Fahr.V  H01 ---- 
   Serial number: 3572MSME37363358ZZZV

   Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 354     HW: 5K0 959 354 
   Component: S.Sens.Beif.V  H01 ---- 
   Serial number: 3582MSME2F316354ZZZX

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side: 
   Component: S.Sens.Fahr.H  --- ---- 
   Serial number: 3512QSME28007122ZZZD

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side: 
   Component: S.Sens.Beif.H  --- ---- 
   Serial number: 3522QSME22067178ZZZP

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels: 5K0-953-569.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 507 BC    HW: 5K0 953 549 E
   Component: Lenks.Modul   007 0080  
   Revision: --------    Serial number:  90440JIN001J3
   Coding: 1082140000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSNGKUDS A05001
   ROD: EV_SMLSNGKUDS_VW32.rod
   VCID: 72BED06434204ED72BD-8026

   Multifunction steering wheel control module: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 3C8 959 537 D    HW: 3C8 959 537 D  Labels: 3C8-959-537.CLB
   Component: E221__MFL-TK6  H06 0022 
   Serial number: 00000000000000281436
   Coding: E20000

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 920 971 A    HW: 5K0 920 971 A
   Component: KOMBI         H20 0420  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 470B00
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04089
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW25.rod
   VCID: 2D040318ED9E512FB6F-8078

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 7N0-907-530-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 7N0 907 530 A    HW: 1K0 907 951 
   Component: J533  Gateway   H25 5603  
   Revision:   H25       Serial number: 270910F1003239
   Coding: E9A07F0600061204000003
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 2E060414EC182A378F5-807A

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234 
   Component: IMMO          H20 0420  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03008
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_VW21.rod
   VCID: 6A8EC8041CF0861793D-803E

No fault code found.

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Address 2E: Media Player 3 (J650)       Labels: 5N0-035-342.lbl
   Part No SW: 5N0 035 342 C    HW: 5N0 035 342 C
   Component: SG EXT.PLAYER H13 0111  
   Revision: A1001003    Serial number: 7668692255    
   Coding: 010000
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 2708F130CFE27B7F4C3-8072

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MIN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 5K0 959 701 D    HW: 5K0 959 701 D
   Component: Tuer-SG         009 2152  
   Coding: 0131764
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 33301560073A07DFE0B-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
   Part No: 1K0 909 144 J
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 69     3001  
   Revision: 00H17000    
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 313C1F68FD2635CF927-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MAX3.lbl
   Part No SW: 5K0 959 702 C    HW: 5K0 959 702 C
   Component: Tuer-SG         009 2120  
   Coding: 0132020
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 33301560073A07DFE0B-8066

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 56: Radio (J0503)       Labels: 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb
   Part No SW: 3C8 035 195 A    HW: 3C8 035 195 A
   Component: Radio RCD510  040 0166  
   Revision: 00000001    Serial number: VWZ1Z3K9798004
   Coding: 0100040004
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 2616FC34C8E86277775-8072

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 61: Battery Regul. (J840)       Labels: 1K0-907-534.clb
   Part No SW: 7N0 907 534     HW: 1K0 907 951 
   Component: Batt.regelung H25 5603  
   Serial number: 270910F1003239
   Coding: 030B085A
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 71BCDF6831A675CFD27-8024

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 1K0 915 181 C    HW: 1K0 915 181 A
   Component: J367-BDM  H07 0125 
   Serial number: 00000000002790439144

No fault code found.

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels: 1K0-959-703-GEN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 5K0 959 703 D    HW: 5K0 959 703 D
   Component: Tuer-SG         007 2101  
   Coding: 0131216
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 1012552
   VCID: 35342B78094E19EFCEF-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels: 1K0-959-704-GEN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 5K0 959 704 D    HW: 5K0 959 704 D
   Component: Tuer-SG         007 2101  
   Coding: 0131216
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 1012552
   VCID: 36362C74144812F7C75-8062

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 77: Telephone (J412)       Labels: 7P6-035-730.clb
   Part No SW: 7P6 035 730 B    HW: 7P6 035 730 B
   Component: TELEFON       H05 0440  
   Revision: 1B001001    Serial number: 00007668646387
   Coding: 0A01000000010101
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: UHVNA A01007
   ROD: UHVNA.rod
   VCID: 313C1F68F1A635CF927-8064

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:11, VBatt start/end: 11.7V/11.7V)-----------
 
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Hmm, not sure why your ECU doesn't seem to have the second one.

I might have a look at what currently shows in the following measuring values, both with the engine off, and with it idling.
IDE00427-ENG101722 - Particle filter; difference pressure
IDE00428-ENG100917 - Particle filter; offset for differential press.

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After G450 adaptation you have to leave car with ignition off for at least 1min.
Some ECU's do not require any additional basic settings as only that one "Adaptation of diff. pressure sensor particulate filter"
Check measured values as Uwe suggested ;)
 
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Uwe/paradise city, I have a 2010 golf 1.6 tdi, it uses the uds system, I have fitted a new g 450 sensor too mine a while ago , it follows the same pattern as you have taken with resetting of learned values ,this was not available too me either. so I left it at that and a drove it. as Uwe suggests to you I have checked the difference pressure and offset difference figures since fitting the unit, mine engine off ,shows 4.6 mbs in both sections,, should be zero. when running at idle still shows the same but with higher revs shows increasing mb pressure in the difference pressure readings and 4.6 mb in the offset difference figures. everything functions as normal and regens continue as normal with ash and soot figures as should be. I hope this helps you .paul.
 
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I have checked the difference pressure and offset difference figures since fitting the unit, mine engine off ,shows 4.6 mbs in both sections,, should be zero.
I'm not sure it should. I suspect that if the offset shows what the sensor does with the engine off, and both values are within reason, i.e. no more than single-digit milibars, then it's good to go.
 
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Thanks for the replies, I'll check that out this evening when I get back from work.
 
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So these are the readings

Engine off
Particle filter; difference pressure 0.00
Offset for differential pressure -30.02 hPa

Idling
Same values

Sound good?
 
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So these are the readings

Engine off
Particle filter; difference pressure 0.00
Offset for differential pressure -30.02 hPa

Idling
Same values

Sound good?
I'm a bit surprised there's no difference pressure at idle...

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Yeah me too but I tried it a couple of times and that's what came up. Is a negative offset value normal?
 
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Have You replaced G450 with original correct part? What was wrong with the old one?
 
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Yeah, VW genuine part. Was getting intermittent P2453 and P2454 codes.
 
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What does measured values show with old sensor connected?
 
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I didn't measure those. I've adapted the new sensor now. If I put the old sensor back in would that not mess things up?
 
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it would be help full if you just slipped the old one on and checked the reading (don't need too fix it in properly ) just check a reading and then refit the new one ,doesn't take long too adapt the new one again. a thought what is the part number on your old unit and what is it on the new unit? there is also a make and where made sticker on both.
 
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I'll do a bit of tinkering and measuring tomorrow and post the results.
 
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Original G450 sensor

IMG_20170311_131429_zpslzwr3rkk.jpg


Replacement part

IMG_20170311_131420_zpsodyecupt.jpg


IMG_20170311_131326_zpsfw1npovp.jpg


So when I put the original back in I immediately got a P2454 error. I adapted it and got the following measurements:

Engine off
IDE00427 Particle filter; difference pressure 0.00
IDE00428 Offset for differential pressure 1.41 hPa


Idling
IDE00427 Particle filter; difference pressure 0.00
IDE00428 Offset for differential pressure 1.41 hPa

I switched it for the new one and adapted it and got

Engine off
IDE00427 Particle filter; difference pressure 0.00
IDE00428 Offset for differential pressure 1.41 hPa

Idling
IDE00427 Particle filter; difference pressure 2.82
IDE00428 Offset for differential pressure 1.41 hPa

2000 rpm
IDE00427 Particle filter; difference pressure 11.11
IDE00428 Offset for differential pressure 1.41 hPa

What do you all reckon?
 
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1) Old sensor is not measuring at all.
2) New sensor is measuring adequately, if we assume that Your DPF is ok.
3) 1,41 hPa is ok for offset value, You can leave it as it is.
4) One of sensors is not correct part for Your car, 059906051C and 076906051B is not the same part, and measurement characteristics may be different. You have to check with dealer or use PL24 to check it by VIN.
 
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I believe the part originally had the suffix 'A' but it was replaced by the newer part with suffix 'B'. I checked with the VW parts guys that I ordered it from and they assured me it was the correct part for my car.
 
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