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    Links refreshed with 17.2.1, now with UDS (at least Mk7 gateways) support:
    Code:
    ;Wednesday,15,February,2017,17:05:13:18206
    ;                Address 19: CAN Gateway
    ;Control Module Part Number: 5Q0 907 530 Q
    ;  Component and/or Version: GW MQB High   212 2163
    ;           Software Coding: 0101000820085900EF00002A080F00000001000000000000000000000000
    ;            Work Shop Code: WSC 00066
    ;                      VCID: 3FD8499137F9CD1F093-806A
    ;
    ;History Data
    
    Record 1/16: No-load voltage underranging
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    Record 2/16: No-load current overranging 
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    Record 3/16: Shut-off stage history
           0000020km*T*0*100*100*+00.00*0-0-0-0-0-0*-*0*00.0*00.0**
           0000017km*T*0*100*100*+00.00*0-0-0-0-0-0*-*0*00.0*00.0**
           0000017km*T*0*100*100*+00.00*0-0-0-0-0-0*-*0*00.0*00.0**
           0000017km*T*0*100*100*+00.00*0-0-0-0-0-0*-*0*00.0*00.0**
           0000013km*T*0*100*100*+00.00*0-0-0-0-0-0*-*0*00.0*00.0**
           0000013km*T*0*100*100*+00.00*0-0-0-0-0-0*-*0*00.0*00.0**
           0000010km*T*0*100*100*+00.00*0-0-0-0-0-0*-*0*00.0*00.0**
           0000010km*T*0*100*100*+00.00*0-0-0-0-0-0*-*0*00.0*00.0**
           0000008km*T*0*100*100*+00.00*0-0-0-0-0-0*-*0*00.0*00.0**
           0000007km*T*0*100*100*+00.00*0-0-1-1-0-0*-*0*00.0*00.0**
    
    Record 4/16: Battery change history
           0000000km*01*051*JCB*1111111111*10000*00000*0066*0071*0167**
    -------------:--*--*---*---*----------*-----*-----*----*----*----**
    -------------:--*--*---*---*----------*-----*-----*----*----*----**
    
    Record 5/16: Energy-critical vehicle states
    -------------:--*---.--*---.--*---.--*--.--*---*--*---.-*-----*-----*------*-----------*-*--.-*--.-*---.-*--*--*--**
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    Record 6/16: Energy balances (last 10 trips)
    2017-02-15-13:45*100*+32*+000.0*00.10**
    2017-02-15-13:02*100*+31*+000.0*00.10**
    2017-02-15-08:13*100*+83*+000.0*00.10**
    2017-02-14-19:38*100*+60*+000.0*00.10**
    2017-02-14-17:47*100*+17*+000.0*00.20**
    2017-02-14-13:39*100*+17*+000.0*00.10**
    2017-02-14-13:00*100*+16*+000.0*00.10**
    2017-02-14-07:50*100*+20*+000.0*00.10**
    2017-02-13-17:46*100*+80*+000.0*00.20**
    2017-02-13-13:42*100*+79*+000.0*00.10**
    
    Record 7/16: Energy balances (last 10 standing times)
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    Record 8/16
    2015-08-26-18:05*4*00*00*00*03*2015-08-26-02:45*01**
    2014-08-18-14:19*4*00*00*00*02*2014-08-18-18:18*01**
    2014-08-18-18:17*4*00*00*00*01*2011-03-11-18:08*01**
    
    Record 9/16
    2014-09-06-18:06*100*100*100*100*00000*15.00*+00*01*12.70*00000*00000**
    2017-02-07-07:46*100*100*100*100*00000*15.00*+00*01*12.70*00000*00000**
    2017-01-10-07:41*100*100*100*100*00000*15.00*+00*01*12.70*00000*00000**
    2016-12-13-07:29*100*100*100*100*00000*15.00*+00*01*12.70*00000*00000**
    2016-11-15-05:51*100*100*100*100*00000*15.00*+00*01*12.70*00000*00000**
    2016-10-17-20:04*100*100*100*100*00000*15.00*+00*01*12.70*00000*00000**
    2016-09-19-17:43*100*100*100*100*00000*15.00*+00*01*12.70*00000*00000**
    2016-08-22-13:32*100*100*100*100*00000*15.00*+00*01*12.70*00000*00000**
    2016-07-25-13:13*100*100*100*100*00000*15.00*+00*01*12.70*00000*00000**
    2016-07-16-00:00*100*100*100*100*00000*15.00*+00*01*12.70*00000*00000**
    2016-06-30-13:01*100*100*100*100*00000*15.00*+00*01*12.70*00000*00000**
    2016-06-02-08:01*100*100*100*100*00000*15.00*+41*01*12.70*00000*00000**
    
    Record 10/16: Dynamic energy management
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    Record 11/16
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    Record 12/16: Start-Stop
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    Record 13/16: Sporadic alternator faults
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    Record 16/16: Vehicle energy balance
           0029729km**
    00000*00000*00000*00000*00000**
    04181*00192*00030*00053**
    31849*00032*00001*00005**
    00655*01717*01852*00251**
    02546*01803*00126**
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    04238*00008*00003**
    00000*00000*00000**
    00015*00000*00000**
    00000*00000*00000*00000*00000*00000*00000*00000*00000*00000**
    Not a lot there but better than nothing. I don't know of a source of info to interpret those, but hopefully we (with Niels' help!) can piece it together from the TP2.0 Audis.
    I hope I can get the A6 4G back soon and eventually the Touareg to see if it needs any tweaking.

    On the A8 front, we've had one report from a HUC so far (thank you Scott) that wasn't entirely promising as far as the ability of the HUC to work reliably with that generation of BEM:
    ; Address 61: Battery Regul.
    ;Control Module Part Number: 4E0 910 181 C
    ; Component and/or Version: J0644 BEM H12 0550
    But at least one attempt succeeded in getting all records 1 through 18.
    You ain't metal till you got a clutch pedal

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    4G should be back on Friday afternoon, I think.

    -Uwe-
    The engineering problems are likely insurmountable. It would be like proposing to land a rocket booster section on a barge floating in the middle of the ocean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    Links refreshed with 17.2.1, now with UDS (at least Mk7 gateways) support:
    Code:
    ;Wednesday,15,February,2017,17:05:13:18206
    ;                Address 19: CAN Gateway
    ;Control Module Part Number: 5Q0 907 530 Q
    ;  Component and/or Version: GW MQB High   212 2163
    ;           Software Coding: 0101000820085900EF00002A080F00000001000000000000000000000000
    ;            Work Shop Code: WSC 00066
    ;                      VCID: 3FD8499137F9CD1F093-806A
    ;
    ;History Data
    
    Record 1/16: No-load voltage underranging
    -------------:--*--.-*--*-----***
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    Record 2/16: No-load current overranging 
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    Record 3/16: Shut-off stage history
           0000020km*T*0*100*100*+00.00*0-0-0-0-0-0*-*0*00.0*00.0**
           0000017km*T*0*100*100*+00.00*0-0-0-0-0-0*-*0*00.0*00.0**
           0000017km*T*0*100*100*+00.00*0-0-0-0-0-0*-*0*00.0*00.0**
           0000017km*T*0*100*100*+00.00*0-0-0-0-0-0*-*0*00.0*00.0**
           0000013km*T*0*100*100*+00.00*0-0-0-0-0-0*-*0*00.0*00.0**
           0000013km*T*0*100*100*+00.00*0-0-0-0-0-0*-*0*00.0*00.0**
           0000010km*T*0*100*100*+00.00*0-0-0-0-0-0*-*0*00.0*00.0**
           0000010km*T*0*100*100*+00.00*0-0-0-0-0-0*-*0*00.0*00.0**
           0000008km*T*0*100*100*+00.00*0-0-0-0-0-0*-*0*00.0*00.0**
           0000007km*T*0*100*100*+00.00*0-0-1-1-0-0*-*0*00.0*00.0**
    
    Record 4/16: Battery change history
           0000000km*01*051*JCB*1111111111*10000*00000*0066*0071*0167**
    -------------:--*--*---*---*----------*-----*-----*----*----*----**
    -------------:--*--*---*---*----------*-----*-----*----*----*----**
    
    Record 5/16: Energy-critical vehicle states
    -------------:--*---.--*---.--*---.--*--.--*---*--*---.-*-----*-----*------*-----------*-*--.-*--.-*---.-*--*--*--**
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    -------------:--*---.--*---.--*---.--*--.--*---*--*---.-*-----*-----*------*-----------*-*--.-*--.-*---.-*--*--*--**
    
    Record 6/16: Energy balances (last 10 trips)
    2017-02-15-13:45*100*+32*+000.0*00.10**
    2017-02-15-13:02*100*+31*+000.0*00.10**
    2017-02-15-08:13*100*+83*+000.0*00.10**
    2017-02-14-19:38*100*+60*+000.0*00.10**
    2017-02-14-17:47*100*+17*+000.0*00.20**
    2017-02-14-13:39*100*+17*+000.0*00.10**
    2017-02-14-13:00*100*+16*+000.0*00.10**
    2017-02-14-07:50*100*+20*+000.0*00.10**
    2017-02-13-17:46*100*+80*+000.0*00.20**
    2017-02-13-13:42*100*+79*+000.0*00.10**
    
    Record 7/16: Energy balances (last 10 standing times)
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    Record 8/16
    2015-08-26-18:05*4*00*00*00*03*2015-08-26-02:45*01**
    2014-08-18-14:19*4*00*00*00*02*2014-08-18-18:18*01**
    2014-08-18-18:17*4*00*00*00*01*2011-03-11-18:08*01**
    
    Record 9/16
    2014-09-06-18:06*100*100*100*100*00000*15.00*+00*01*12.70*00000*00000**
    2017-02-07-07:46*100*100*100*100*00000*15.00*+00*01*12.70*00000*00000**
    2017-01-10-07:41*100*100*100*100*00000*15.00*+00*01*12.70*00000*00000**
    2016-12-13-07:29*100*100*100*100*00000*15.00*+00*01*12.70*00000*00000**
    2016-11-15-05:51*100*100*100*100*00000*15.00*+00*01*12.70*00000*00000**
    2016-10-17-20:04*100*100*100*100*00000*15.00*+00*01*12.70*00000*00000**
    2016-09-19-17:43*100*100*100*100*00000*15.00*+00*01*12.70*00000*00000**
    2016-08-22-13:32*100*100*100*100*00000*15.00*+00*01*12.70*00000*00000**
    2016-07-25-13:13*100*100*100*100*00000*15.00*+00*01*12.70*00000*00000**
    2016-07-16-00:00*100*100*100*100*00000*15.00*+00*01*12.70*00000*00000**
    2016-06-30-13:01*100*100*100*100*00000*15.00*+00*01*12.70*00000*00000**
    2016-06-02-08:01*100*100*100*100*00000*15.00*+41*01*12.70*00000*00000**
    
    Record 10/16: Dynamic energy management
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    Record 11/16
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    Record 12/16: Start-Stop
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    -----*-----*-----**
    
    Record 13/16: Sporadic alternator faults
    -------------:--*---------*---.-*-----**
    -------------:--*---------*---.-**
    -------------:--*---------*---.-**
    
    Record 16/16: Vehicle energy balance
           0029729km**
    00000*00000*00000*00000*00000**
    04181*00192*00030*00053**
    31849*00032*00001*00005**
    00655*01717*01852*00251**
    02546*01803*00126**
    00000*00000*00000*00000**
    00000*00000*00000*00000**
    04238*00008*00003**
    00000*00000*00000**
    00015*00000*00000**
    00000*00000*00000*00000*00000*00000*00000*00000*00000*00000**
    Not a lot there but better than nothing. I don't know of a source of info to interpret those, but hopefully we (with Niels' help!) can piece it together from the TP2.0 Audis.
    I hope I can get the A6 4G back soon and eventually the Touareg to see if it needs any tweaking.

    On the A8 front, we've had one report from a HUC so far (thank you Scott) that wasn't entirely promising as far as the ability of the HUC to work reliably with that generation of BEM:

    But at least one attempt succeeded in getting all records 1 through 18.
    I get back from snowy St Johns tomorrow so will try it and report back, I too have A8 and use HUC

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    17.2.2 is out. Found a longstanding limitation in the HUC code that would truncate very long history messages in CAN TP2.0 (not UDS). As far as I can tell only the models having one or several particularly lengthy records (like 20 trips energy balance or 16 shut-off stage history in an 8K) should be affected but you wouldn't know to begin with since it was being truncated with previous versions
    Also fixed newline issues in the VCDS session log (not the autosave file).
    Uwe has confirmed that UDS support introduced in 17.2.1 also works on later Touareg gateways.
    http://download.ross-tech.com/VCDS/d...p/VCDS-x86.zip
    http://download.ross-tech.com/VCDS/d...p/VCDS-x64.zip
    You ain't metal till you got a clutch pedal

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    Exclamation Unfortunate timing ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Zenerdiode View Post
    :Bursts with excitement:
    So did I when I saw this update to what was my original thread.

    Wow! I take 2 days off [1 to got out 'playing trains' with my friend's kids [see rhdr.org.uk] / 1 to travel 35 miles to see my old work colleague for lunch and a beer] and the VCDS BEM Log world changes. Frustratingly I came back today and before I saw this, put the 'old' SW 0240 BEM I purchased into the car. The one I had all the problems with is sitting on the table.

    Will go out shortly and run the new beta code on my A8 with the replacement 'old' ECU ...

    Julian
    Last edited by JulianHicks; 02-16-2017 at 12:51 PM. Reason: revise text for clkarification

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    @Eric : Youve got Mail 17.2.0.2 crashed on A4 8W and A6 4G today while reading Hist Data - Logs and debugs should be there....

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    Hmm, those were with 17.2.0.2 which didn't support UDS very well to put it midly
    You ain't metal till you got a clutch pedal

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    just read it, and downloaded the new Version - next day - next Car - next Try

    THX

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    Quote Originally Posted by JulianHicks View Post
    Will go out shortly and run the new beta code on my A8 with the replacement 'old' ECU ...
    Julian
    This is SO important, I've postponed the evening meal and gone out to the car instead.

    Just run Beta 17.2.2 on my A8 Battery Manager whose Autoscan earlier this afternoon was as follows:

    Code:
    Address 61: Battery Regul.        Labels: User\4E0-910-181.lbl
       Part No SW: 4E0 910 181 B    HW: 4E0 915 181 
       Component: ENERGIEMANAGER  H02 0240  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 00000000002872
       Shop #: WSC 00189 210 83995
       VCID: 1F4D841DCE6C1DB9F0-804A
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 000 915 105 DL
       Component: von VA0  310314E07G       
       Coding: 303030393135313035444C56413033313033313445303747
       Shop #: WSC 00414 210 87557
    
    No fault code found.
    Sadly, all I got in the screen 'box' after about 5 seconds was the following 4 lines:

    01200000000000000000000000000000000000000001120000 0000000000000000000000000000000021200000000 -> offscreen
    01200000000000000000000000000000000000000001120000 0000000000000000000000000000000021200000000 -> offscreen
    01200000000000000000000000000000000000000001120000 0000000000000000000000000000000021200000000 -> offscreen
    ERROR: Function Not Available

    Note that number of zeros may be incorrcet and that the space was inserted by the forum code and not me!
    Julian

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    Let's see some debug files.
    You ain't metal till you got a clutch pedal

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