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    A3 BKD non start no fault codes no injector pulse

    Hi all
    I have a A3 giving me the run around. Its a non start no codes reported. and no injector signal. I have cam shaft signal and crank signal at ECU. I could do with a Known good scope pattern to compare synchronisation with. Both are hall sensors, giving a clear signal. basic checks done are good pressure from intank pump. new tandem pump fitted (not sure what pressure should be from test point when cranking) elsawin has plus 10 bar at 4000 rpm. good cranking speed 265rpm. I do lose live data when cranking and i've supplyed the starter with own battery and still same, not sure if this an issue or not. I have VVDI2 which will turn of the Imobiliser in the ECU and Ive swapped out the ECU to a different car which runs nicely with it fitted so my problem is on the car and not ECU.

    Group 51 has the data below. I cant find out what good values for start synchronisation and injector shut off status should be just says 'see label file' and what these mean or if these could help me.


    Address 01: Engine (03G 906 016 G)

    11:28:47 Group 051: Engine Speed Recognition
    0 /min Engine Speed
    0 /min Camshaft Speed
    2.0 Start Synchronisation
    00010010 Shut-Off Status Injection Sequence



    Code:
    Monday,28,November,2016,11:00:10:27945
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    VCDS Version: 16.8.3.1
    Data version: 20161010 DS267.0
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    Workshop Code: 123 12345 012345
    
    VIN: WAUZZZ8P84A180019   License Plate: HT04RBF
    Mileage: 256940km-159655mi   Repair Order: audi a3 non start 
    
    
    
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    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    Chassis Type: 8P (1K0)
    Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 47 52 56 76 7D
    
    VIN: WAUZZZ8P84A180019   Mileage: 256940km-159655miles
    
    00-Steering Angle Sensor -- Status: OK 0000
    01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
    17-Instruments -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
    25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
    44-Steering Assist -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
    47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
    56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    76-Park Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    7D-Aux. Heat -- Status: Malfunction 0010
     
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    Address 01: Engine        Labels: 03G-906-016-BKD.lbl
       Part No SW: 03G 906 016 G    HW: 028 101 136 4
       Component: R4 2,0L EDC G000SG  5705  
       Revision: 12345678    Serial number: XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
       Coding: 0000072
       Shop #: WSC 06435 000 00000
       VCID: 2759A30E96803D7ADD-8072
    
    No fault code found.
    Readiness: 0 0 1 1 1 
    
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    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-F.lbl
       Part No: 1K0 907 379 K
       Component: ESP FRONT MK60      0103  
       Coding: 0023174
       Shop #: WSC 06435 000 00000
       VCID: 3A7F6A7A7532B092B2-806E
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 8P0-820-043.lbl
       Part No SW: 8P0 820 043 D    HW: 8P0 820 043 D
       Component: KlimavollautomatH12 0150  
       Revision: 054975      Serial number: 8P0820043D    
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 2D555126B47C172A27-8078
    
    6 Faults Found:
    00483 - Control Module for Auxiliary Air Heater 
                013 - Check DTC Memory
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01101101
                        Fault Priority: 3
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 79
                        Mileage: 256948 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2016.11.20
                        Time: 01:12:15
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                            ON
    
    01273 - Fresh Air Blower (V2) 
                008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00101000
                        Fault Priority: 3
                        Fault Frequency: 4
                        Reset counter: 119
                        Mileage: 256948 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2016.11.20
                        Time: 00:01:43
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Temperature: 8.0°C
                        Speed: 325.0 km/h
                        (no units): 38.0
                        (no units): 166.0
    
    01274 - Air Flow Flap Positioning Motor (V71) 
                003 - Mechanical Failure - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00100011
                        Fault Priority: 3
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 119
                        Mileage: 256937 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2016.11.14
                        Time: 04:54:14
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Voltage: 14.10 V
                        Temperature: 7.5°C
                        (no units): 166.0
                        (no units): 33.0
                        Temperature: 6.5°C
    
    00796 - Fan for Interior Temp Sensor (V42) 
                011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00101011
                        Fault Priority: 3
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 115
                        Mileage: 256843 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2016.11.05
                        Time: 21:10:20
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Voltage: 13.80 V
                        Temperature: 29.0°C
    
    00532 - Supply Voltage B+ 
                002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00100010
                        Fault Priority: 1
                        Fault Frequency: 7
                        Reset counter: 119
                        Mileage: 256948 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2016.11.20
                        Time: 00:00:25
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Voltage: 9.00 V
    
    01206 - Signal for Duration of Ignition Off Time 
                008 - Implausible Signal
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01101000
                        Fault Priority: 3
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 79
                        Mileage: 256948 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2016.11.20
                        Time: 01:12:15
    
                 Freeze Frame:
    
    
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    Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 8P0-907-279-23-H.lbl
       Part No SW: 8P0 907 279 D    HW: 8P0 907 279 D*
       Component: Bordnetz-SG 1.0 H30 0701  
       Revision: 00030000    Serial number: 00000000766819
       Coding: A5885F00A2141000000000000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 3E77666A691A9CB28E-806A
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8P2 955 119 C  Labels: 1TX-955-119.CLB
       Component: Wischer WWS Audi350 0180  
       Coding: 16711696
       Shop #: WSC 00000  
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 8P0-959-655-84.lbl
       Part No SW: 8P0 959 655 D    HW: 8P0 959 655 D
       Component: Airbag 8.4ED    H00 0140  
       Coding: 0011602
       Shop #: WSC 06435 000 00000
       VCID: 4381179E02F8F15AE1-8016
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 8P0-953-549.lbl
       Part No SW: 8P0 953 549     HW: 8P0 953 549 
       Component: Lenksäulenmodul H11 0020  
       Coding: 0002042
       Shop #: WSC 06435 000 00000
       VCID: 7BF1AF7E3A88499AE9-802E
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX 
       Component: Lenkradmodul    H03 0040
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 8P0-920-xxx-17-MY7.lbl
       Part No SW: 8P0 920 980 H    HW: 8P0 920 980 H
       Component: KOMBIINSTR. VDO H25 0150  
       Revision: D10         Serial number: 2243DD10006863
       Coding: 0004403
       Shop #: WSC 00088 067 57207
       VCID: 3C736C627F068EA2A0-8068
    
    1 Fault Found:
    00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30 
                002 - Lower Limit Exceeded
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000011
                        Fault Priority: 4
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 79
                        Mileage: 256948 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2016.11.20
                        Time: 00:03:19
    
    
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    Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 1K0-907-530-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 D    HW: 1K0 907 951 
       Component: Gateway         H08 0100  
       Revision: 08          Serial number: 25001044210494
       Coding: 3D0F0F42070101
       Shop #: WSC 06435 000 00000
       VCID: 285BA0329B9E3202D4-807C
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
       Part No SW: 8P0 920 980 H    HW: 8P0 920 980 H
       Component: KOMBIINSTR. VDO H25 0150  
       Revision: D10         Serial number: AUX7Z0D3FNT08D
       Shop #: WSC 00137 211 56823
       VCID: 3C736C627F068EA2A0-8068
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 8P0-959-801-MIN1.lbl
       Part No: 8P0 959 801 A
       Component: Tuersteuerger.  H10 0010  
       Coding: 0000120
       Shop #: WSC 06435 000 00000
       VCID: 397D75767034BB8ABB-806C
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
       Part No: 1K2 909 144 F
       Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.10      1301  
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 2F694B2EBE70653A15-807A
    
    1 Fault Found:
    00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85) 
                000 -  - 
    
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    Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 8P0-959-433.lbl
       Part No: 8P0 959 433 
       Component:    KSG          H02 0040  
       Coding: 008800186D288505485AC63000
       Shop #: WSC 06435 000 00000
       VCID: 79FDB57630B47B8AFB-802C
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 A
       Component: LIN BACKUP HORN H01 1201
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 907 719 
       Component: Neigungssensor  003 0003
    
       Subsystem 3 - Part No: 8P0 951 177 
       Component: Innenraumueberw.H03 0010
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 47: Sound System        Labels: 8Px-035-382.lbl
       Part No SW: 8P3 035 382     HW: 8P3 035 382 
       Component: AB2 SUBWOOFERBOXH25 0160  
       Revision: 00003       Serial number: 10000001122514
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 70EB885263CE3AC24C-8024
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 8P0-959-802-MIN1.lbl
       Part No: 8P0 959 802 A
       Component: Tuersteuerger.  H10 0010  
       Coding: 0000120
       Shop #: WSC 06435 000 00000
       VCID: 3A7F6A7A7532B092B2-806E
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio
    Cannot be reached
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 76: Park Assist        Labels: 8P0-919-283.lbl
       Part No SW: 8P0 919 283     HW: 8P0 919 283 
       Component: Parkhilfe 4-Kan H06 0030  
       Coding: 0000003
       Shop #: WSC 06435 000 00000
       VCID: 78FBB0720BBE628284-802C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 7D: Aux. Heat        Labels: 1K0-963-235.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 963 235 D    HW: 1K0 963 235 D
       Component: PTC-Element         0404  
       Revision: 00700000    Serial number:               
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 2C535C228F661E2230-8078
    
    1 Fault Found:
    00361 - Heater Element for Auxiliary Heater (Z35) 
                014 - Defective
    
    End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 01:56)--------------------------

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    Are you losing a terminal relay or faulty ignition switch during the crank phase possibly?

    Verify consumers are hot for supply and ecu supply is present, & with good grounds......... Then crank the starter segregated to test with isolated jumper.
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    I have tried a segregated starter and the result is the same. i'll double check supplies and earths I have checked these and they were good but you have made me question my self so will check again.

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    Yeah brute force all the terminals to test & qualify.
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    All supplys and earths are OK all able to drive a 60w head light bulb no issues. got a feeling its can crank cam sensor.
    I would love to know what the start sync is all about in group 51

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    Remove cylinder head cover. Disconnect 1 injector, leave 3 connected and try to start engine. repeat this with another injector while You get engine starting/running on 3 injectors. The disconnected one will be the bad one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinsX View Post
    Remove cylinder head cover. Disconnect 1 injector, leave 3 connected and try to start engine. repeat this with another injector while You get engine starting/running on 3 injectors. The disconnected one will be the bad one.
    It's not piezo injectors this is Bosch system 0.9 ohms per injector and no short to case. Normally has fault code for injector supply when shorted piezo crystal.

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    It's not piezo injectors this is Bosch system 0.9 ohms per injector and no short to case. Normally has fault code for injector supply when shorted piezo crystal.
    Not always it is a good idea to test and isolate as Martin said & it isn't hard to do.
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