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    Question DSG not behaving on inclines

    Hey guys,

    Proud VCDS owner here trying to diagnose an issue on my own car for once (instead of helping out others),

    Its a top of the line 6 Speed DSG 4Motion 3.6 BWS Passat CC, with all the addons possible.

    When driving up slight inclines, the gearbox doesnt seem to notice this and changes into 5th quckly rather than staying in 4th like it does on a flat. As soon as it changes into 5th, it flips back to 4th a second later and causes a bit of a surge making it feel like an old auto box and makes it hard to drive smoothly.

    When i'm towing, i,e extra weight at the rear, it drives like a dream, holds 3rd uphills for longer than without the towing weight, and no sign of it trying to change up early.

    This only happens of course in D (Drive mode)

    I have seen faults previously for the Vehicle inclination sensor, are these the things that are bolted to the chassis arms underneath? but those faults seem to come and go away after clearing.

    Is there anything i can check to see if things are aligned properly with any DSG sensors or DCC suspension settings?. I have considered adding ballast to the rear to prove my above theory but havent got around to it yet. ACC Headlights seem OK, but there is evidence of these being manually adjusted before with a screwdriver.

    Thanks

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    Thank you for your first post.

    Now please JPPSG and post a complete auto-scan in code tags.
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    Thanks, here we go: some screenshots below also, what should i be seeing in those measure blocks?

    Code:
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    VCDS Version: 16.8.3.1
    Data version: 20161010 DS267.0
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    VIN: WVWZZZ3CZBExxxxxx   License Plate: 
    Mileage: 157370km-97785mi   Repair Order: 
    
    
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    Chassis Type: 3C (7N0)
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 10 14 15 16 17 19 22 25 37 42 44 46 47 4F 52
              53 55 56 61 62 65 72 77
    
    VIN: WVWZZZ3CZBExxxxxx   Mileage: 157370km-97785miles
    
    01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
    02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
    04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
    10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    14-Susp. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
    22-AWD -- Status: OK 0000
    25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
    37-Navigation -- Status: OK 0000
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
    44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
    47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
    4F-Centr. Electr. II -- Status: OK 0000
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
    53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
    55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
    56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
    61-Battery Regul. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
    65-Tire Pressure -- Status: OK 0000
    72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
    77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine (0-32-BWS_)       Labels: None
       Part No SW: 03H 906 023 L    HW: 03H 907 309 A
       Component: 3,6 FSI EU5   H03 1159  
       Revision: MFH03---    Serial number: 00000000000000
       Coding: 001D0012242600000000
       Shop #: WSC 00015 115 08193
       ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM36FSI01103H906023L 002008
       ROD: EV_ECM36FSI_002.rod
       VCID: 2B5513CB4231E31A39-807E
    
    No fault code found.
    Readiness: 0000 0000
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 02E-927-770.clb
       Part No SW: 02E 300 013 A    HW: 02E 927 770 AL
       Component: GSG DSG AG6     511 2604  
       Revision: 05351112    Serial number: 00001102241069
       Coding: 0000020
       Shop #: WSC 05311 000 08193
       VCID: 0F2DA75B1E69BF3A35-805A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 3AA-614-109.clb
       Part No SW: 3AA 614 109 M    HW: 3AA 614 109 M
       Component: J104   C2 450M V4B1 0005  
       Revision: --H07---    Serial number: 00000003945777
       Coding: 0000932
       Shop #: WSC 05311 000 08193
       VCID: 377D3FBB467957FA4D-8062
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: 5K0-907-044.clb
       Part No SW: 5K0 907 044 ED    HW: 5K0 907 044 ED
       Component: Climatronic   H17 1010  
       Revision: 00003001    
       Coding: 0000000002
       Shop #: WSC 00015 115 08193
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Climatronic A01010
       ROD: EV_ClimaAutoBasis_VW36.rod
       VCID: 71E9C1A3A09DC9CA43-8024
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: 3AA-937-087.clb
       Part No SW: 3AA 937 087 A    HW: 3AA 937 087 A
       Component: BCM PQ47 H    413 0452  
       Revision: BB413001    
       Coding: 000000000000000000080210940089A4477D778860600F60648046200041
       Shop #: WSC 05311 123 08193
       VCID: 387F3C878B67588244-806C
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 3C8 955 119 E    HW: 3C8 955 119 E  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
       Component: Wischer 02031  10  0603 
       Coding: 00B7B5
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 AH  Labels: 1K0-955-559-AG.CLB
       Component: RLS 240311 05  54  0403 
       Coding: 0730ED
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels: 3AE-919-475.clb
       Part No SW: 3AE 919 475     HW: 7N0 919 475 
       Component: PARKHILFE 8K  H04 0009  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 28291106336610
       Coding: 108103
       Shop #: WSC 99999 1023 2097151
       ASAM Dataset: EV_EPHVA18VW47X0000 001003
       ROD: EV_EPHVA18VW4280000.rod
       VCID: 7CF7E097F7DFB4A2E0-8028
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 14: Susp. Elect. (J250)       Labels: 3C0-907-376.clb
       Part No SW: 3C0 907 376 A    HW: 3C0 907 376 
       Component: DAEMPFUNGS-SG H07 0071  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 15031104860002
       Coding: 010180
       Shop #: WSC 05311 000 08193
       VCID: 275DEFFB56D9C77ADD-8072
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 5N0-959-655.lbl
       Part No SW: 5N0 959 655 Q    HW: 5N0 959 655 Q
       Component: J234__318 VW10 HI   1918  
       Revision: 22014000    Serial number: 003JZP4ECX8O  
       Coding: 0012600
       Shop #: WSC 05311 000 08193
       VCID: 4B95734B2AF1C31A19-801E
    
       Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332MTS694950331 
    
       Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342MTS695680331 
    
       Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6351HTS61MM4R9KR 
    
       Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6361HTS62EDGS9KJ 
    
       Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 00000000000000000
    
       Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 00000000000000000
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels: 3C0-953-569.clb
       Part No SW: 3C5 953 501 BG    HW: 5K0 953 569 T
       Component: LENKS.MODUL   014 0140  
       Revision: FF010040    Serial number: 20110317200759
       Coding: 099A270000
       Shop #: WSC 00015 115 08193
       ASAM Dataset: EV_VW360SteerWheelUDS A03004
       ROD: EV_VW360SteerWheelUDS.rod
       VCID: 6BD5D3CB82B1231A79-803E
    
       Multifunction steering wheel control module: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 3C8 959 537 D    HW: 3C8 959 537 D  Labels: 3C8-959-537.CLB
       Component: E221__MFL-TK6  H07 0022 
       Coding: E30000
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels: 3C8-920-xxx-17.clb
       Part No SW: 3C8 920 970 N    HW: 3C8 920 970 N
       Component: KOMBI         H20 0420  
       Serial number: 00000000000000
       Coding: 440D00
       Shop #: WSC 05311 115 08193
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04089
       ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW25.rod
       VCID: 377D3FBB8E7957FA4D-8062
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: 7N0-907-530-V2.clb
       Part No SW: 7N0 907 530 G    HW: 1K0 907 951 
       Component: J533  Gateway H41 1614  
       Revision:   H41       Serial number: 170311F2000963
       Coding: 469007
       Shop #: WSC 05311 000 08193
       VCID: 346708B7970FBCE268-8060
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 22: AWD        Labels: 0AY-907-554-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 0BS 907 554 B    HW: 0BS 907 554 B
       Component: Haldex 4Motion      4015  
       Coding: 0000005
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 458145730C95356ACF-8010
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 3C0-959-433-25.clb
       Part No SW: 3AA 959 433     HW: 3AA 959 433 
       Component:    IMMO         043 0399  
       Revision: 00043000    Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
       Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
       VCID: 76E3F2BF01F3EEF296-8022
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3C0 905 861 J
       Component:    ELV          029 0380
       3C0905861J     ELV          029 0380   
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 37: Navigation (J0506)       Labels: 1T0-035-680.clb
       Part No SW: 1T0 035 680 D    HW: 1T0 035 680 C
       Component: RNS-MID       H50 4120  
       Revision: AB001001    Serial number: VWZ6Z7L9076106
       Coding: 04050002010000A00000
       Shop #: WSC 05311 000 08193
       VCID: 2F6D07DB7E299F3A15-807A
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1T0 919 859 B
       Component: EU West V11  8117 
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels: 3C0-959-70X-GEN4.clb
       Part No SW: 3C8 959 701     HW: 3C0 959 793 C
       Component: TUER-SG FT    002 0502  
       Revision: 12110009    Serial number: 0002356494
       Coding: 0002B5
       Shop #: WSC 05311 115 08193
       ASAM Dataset: EV_TSGFPQ35BRFVW46X A04001
       ROD: EV_TSGFPQ35BRFVW46X.rod
       VCID: 6DD1DDD3BCA52D2A67-8038
    
       Slave Driver: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 3C8 959 704 C    HW: 3C0 959 794 B  Labels: 1K0-959-70X-GEN4.CLB
       Component: J389__TSG-HR  004 0401 
       Serial number: 00000001970515      
       Coding: 000090
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
       Part No: 1K0 909 144 M
       Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 209    3201  
       Revision: 00H20000    
       Shop #: WSC 02069 000 90108
       VCID: 346708B7570FBCE268-8060
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 3C0-959-433-46.clb
       Part No SW: 3AA 959 433     HW: 3AA 959 433 
       Component:    KSG PQ47 ELV 043 0631  
       Revision: 00043000    Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
       Coding: 18910A0001864E7636029C1DF00C5FCE105841
       Shop #: WSC 05311 123 08193
       VCID: 76E3F2BF01F3EEF296-8022
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K8 951 605 B
       Component: LIN BACKUP HORN H11 9005
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 3C0 951 171 C
       Component: Neigungssensor  004 0611
    
       Subsystem 3 - Part No: 3C0 951 171 C
       Component: Innenraumueberw.004 0611
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 47: Sound System        Labels: 3C0-035-456.lbl
       Part No SW: 3C8 035 456 C    HW: 3C8 035 456 C
       Component: DSP 10 Kanal        0070  
       Revision: 00H06001    Serial number: 75805003104908
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 285FECC79BC7C802D4-807C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 4F: Centr. Electr. II (J520)       Labels: 1K0-907-532.clb
       Part No SW: 7N0 907 532     HW: 1K0 907 951 
       Component: EZE_2         H41 1614  
       Revision:   H41       Serial number: 170311F2000963
       Coding: 00000008
       Shop #: WSC 05311 000 08193
       VCID: 6FEDC7DBBEA9DF3A55-803A
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 3AA 919 204 A    HW: 3AA 919 204 A
       Component: Analoguhr  004 0003 
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels: 3C0-959-70X-GEN4.clb
       Part No SW: 3C8 959 702     HW: 3C0 959 792 C
       Component: TUER-SG BT    002 0502  
       Revision: 14110009    Serial number: 0002358622
       Coding: 0002B4
       Shop #: WSC 05311 115 08193
       ASAM Dataset: EV_TSGBPQ35BRFVW46X A04001
       ROD: EV_TSGBPQ35BRFVW46X.rod
       VCID: 6ED3DADFB1A3D6325E-803A
    
       Slave Passenger: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 3C8 959 703 C    HW: 3C0 959 795 B  Labels: 1K0-959-70X-GEN4.CLB
       Component: J388__TSG-HL  004 0401 
       Serial number: 00000002000520      
       Coding: 000090
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 53: Parking Brake        Labels: 3AA-907-801.clb
       Part No SW: 3AA 907 801 E    HW: 3AA 907 801 E
       Component: J540 EPB4  VW-55183 0007  
       Revision:   H18       Serial number: 00000000249293
       Coding: 0022057
       Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
       VCID: 33650BAB5201BBDA71-8066
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 5M0-907-357-V2.lbl
       Part No SW: 5M0 907 357 C    HW: 5M0 907 357 C
       Component: AFS-Steuergeraet    0148  
       Revision: 00H04000    Serial number:               
       Coding: 3526088
       Shop #: WSC 05311 000 08193
       VCID: 346708B7570FBCE268-8060
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 941 329   Labels: 3D0-941-329.CLB
       Component: AFS-Lst.-Modul l    0008  
       Coding: 00000053
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 941 329   Labels: 3D0-941-329.CLB
       Component: AFS-Lst.-Modul r    0008  
       Coding: 00000053
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio (J0506)       Labels: 1T0-035-680.clb
       Part No SW: 1T0 035 680 D    HW: 1T0 035 680 C
       Component: RNS-MID       H50 4120  
       Revision: AB001001    Serial number: VWZ6Z7L9076106
       Coding: 04050002010000A00000
       Shop #: WSC 05311 000 08193
       VCID: 2F6D07DB7E299F3A15-807A
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1T0 919 859 B
       Component: EU West V11  8117 
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 61: Battery Regul. (J840)       Labels: 1K0-907-534.clb
       Part No SW: 7N0 907 534     HW: 1K0 907 951 
       Component: Batt.regelung H41 1614  
       Serial number: 170311F2000963
       Coding: 03220173
       Shop #: WSC 05311 000 08193
       VCID: 71E9C1A3A89DC9CA43-8024
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 3AA 915 181     HW: 3AA 915 181 
       Component: J367-BDM  H07 0150 
       Serial number: 00000000009370780919
    
    1 Fault Found:
    02256 - Quiescent Current 
                001 - Upper Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00110001
                        Fault Priority: 7
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 216
                        Mileage: 157349 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2011.04.08
                        Time: 13:12:32
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 65: Tire Pressure (J502)       Labels: 3AA-907-273.clb
       Part No SW: 3AA 907 273 B    HW: 3AA 907 273 B
       Component: RDKBERU30     H08 0008  
       Serial number: 10000000023041
       ASAM Dataset: EV_RDKBERU30 003010
       ROD: EV_RDKBERU30_003.rod
       VCID: 33650BAB9A01BBDA71-8066
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 77: Telephone (J412)       Labels: 7P6-035-730.clb
       Part No SW: 5K0 035 730 B    HW: 5K0 035 730 B
       Component: TELEFON       H09 1020  
       Revision: 1B001001    Serial number: 00007669597614
       Coding: 0A01000000010101
       Shop #: WSC 00015 115 08193
       ASAM Dataset: UHVNA A01009
       ROD: UHVNA.rod
       VCID: 2447F8F72FEF2C62F8-8070
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 04:28)--------------------------




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    I would pay close attention to the ATF temp sensor.

    The fact it tows flawlessly makes sense when holding or selecting a lower gear in the strategy, & based on the increased load/temperatures.

    I have seen where some have installed a resistor to increase the temp signal, & to make the TCU think this to make it more sporty of a shift.

    There may also be a firmware update so ask the dealer if anything on SVM
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    Thanks, i did some logs today and couldnt see any issues with the temperature, it was a 10oC day and the temperature went nowhere near 130oC on the gearbox oil. it seems to do it hot/cold anyway.

    The DSG oil has recently been changed to rule this out too, and i did the top fill method so i know the correct amount went in there!

    Do you think the suspension level has nothing to do with it? How else does the DSG know its going uphill?

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    Unless you are on a very steep incline or are heavily accelerating/braking, I would think the suspension level would be irrelevant, the front or rear of your vehicle doesn't really change in relation to the ground/road just because of an incline.

    That said, I am neither a german car engineer, nor a mechanic. And I don't play either on TV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rdh443 View Post
    i did the top fill method so i know the correct amount went in there!
    .
    Please explain this to me. Isn't the idea of filing from underneath to fill both the internal then the external reservoir within the DSG so that there is no air bubbles in the system. I'm looking to get my DSG fluid changed as well, but I want to know when the "correct" volume of DSG fluid has been poured in. In reality, the amount of DSG fluid drained out is never the same as that which you have to replace in the system (even though there are no leaks).

    My DSG does the opposite of yours at times where it overrevvs the engine while climbing an incline (no passengers and not towing anything), so I have to manually upshift where it then maintains the upshift. You should have the opportunity of taking it to the dealer to have the firmware for the mechatronic updated.

    I have the Eurodyne, DSG flash, so I can't go that route.

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    NO2, is the firmware update a dealer-charge item? I'm wondering if I can coerce them into updating the firmware on my 02E when the Takata airbag recall service is finally ready. Say, maybe sometime in 2009.

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    Quote Originally Posted by voughtt View Post
    NO2, is the firmware update a dealer-charge item? I'm wondering if I can coerce them into updating the firmware on my 02E when the Takata airbag recall service is finally ready. Say, maybe sometime in 2009.
    T
    My understanding is that the dealer should be doing the firmware updates to each of the control modules during routine servicing as VW makes the TSB's available. This should be complimentary during the warranty period then after expires, is a dealer charge option included during regular servicing at the respective intervals.
    My local dealer (ATL - Jamaica) doesn't offer these updates, so I don't any other option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NitrousOxide View Post
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    My understanding is that the dealer should be doing the firmware updates to each of the control modules during routine servicing as VW makes the TSB's available. This should be complimentary during the warranty period then after expires, is a dealer charge option included during regular servicing at the respective intervals.
    That's assuming the dealer is competent.

    Last month I took my car (Skoda Octavia - MQB platform) for its first service and told the dealer I wanted the infotainment firmware upgraded to the latest version (from 0475 to 0490) to solve a couple of problems I was having. When I returned to collect the car the dealer said there was no newer firmware - strange as the next day I updated the firmware to the newer version myself!!!

    Moral? - don't always believe the dealer technician, they're under a lot of pressure from the ir management to do jobs faster and hence cheaper which means they can cut corners and not be fully trained and up-to-date.

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