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    ABS Issues 2011 Q5

    No issues before last week.
    First had ABS pulsing when coming to a stop around 20 mph one time and no lights or tones until next start.
    Could initially clear codes and again next start same codes and tones. ABS, Stability program, Parking brake malfunction and TPMS.
    Then could not clear codes and would come right back upon attempting to clear.
    Tried to remove inspect and clean left front speed sensor and it was so stuck I broke it trying gently to remove it.
    Replaced with a new OEM one (2) days ago, cleared the codes and now pulses again usually one very brief set of pulses around 20 MPH most of the time on dry pavement.

    Today codes came back, I cleared and they are staying cleared so far with pulsing.
    Could my toothed ring be the problem and the old sensor while stuck was fine? Or is the module now suspect?
    Does the pulsing I am getting alone cause the implausible signal fault I am getting in my auto scan?
    Any advice to further prove out anything or adaptation needed for the new sensor would be appreciated.
    Thanks.

    Original Auto Scan before replacing sensor had the same faults.
    Latest Auto scan below:


    Code:
    Friday,04,November,2016,13:00:58:05068
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    VCDS Version: 16.8.3.1
    Data version: 20161010 DS267.0
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    VIN: WA1CFAFPXBA081666   License Plate: 
    Mileage: 89300km-55488mi   Repair Order: 
    
    
    
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    Chassis Type: FP (8T0)
    Scan: 01 02 03 05 08 09 15 16 17 19 42 46 47 52 53 56 62 69 72 77
             
    
    VIN: WA1CFAFPXBA081666   Mileage: 89300km-55488miles
    
    01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    02-Auto Trans -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
    05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
    46-Central Conv. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
    53-Parking Brake -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
    62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
    69-Trailer -- Status: OK 0000
    72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
    77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000
     
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    Address 01: Engine (DL0MA-CAEB)       Labels: 06H-907-115-CAB.clb
       Part No SW: 8R0 907 115 H    HW: 8K2 907 115 D
       Component: 2.0l R4/4V TF H19 0003  
       Revision: E1H19---    
       Coding: 0121010A290F0960
       Shop #: WSC 08315 444 11710
       ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TFS0118R0907115H 001006
       ROD: EV_ECM20TFS0118K2907115AD.rod
       VCID: 39732959B84A5E8ABB-806C
    
    2 Faults Found:
    4698 - Function Restriction due to Faults in Other Modules 
              U1113 00 [036] - -
              Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 6
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Mileage: 89297 km
                        Date: 2016.11.04
                        Time: 12:46:12
    
                        Engine speed: 1023.00 /min
                        Normed load value: 9.0 %
                        Vehicle speed: 12 km/h
                        Coolant temperature: 60 °C
                        Intake air temperature: 32 °C
                        Ambient air pressure: 980 mbar
                        Voltage terminal 30: 13.287 V
                        Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
    
    4699 - Function Restriction due to Faults in Other Modules 
              U1113 00 [036] - -
              Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 6
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Mileage: 89297 km
                        Date: 2016.11.04
                        Time: 12:46:12
    
                        Engine speed: 1023.00 /min
                        Normed load value: 9.0 %
                        Vehicle speed: 12 km/h
                        Coolant temperature: 60 °C
                        Intake air temperature: 32 °C
                        Ambient air pressure: 980 mbar
                        Voltage terminal 30: 13.287 V
                        Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
    
    Readiness: 0000 0000
    
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    Address 02: Auto Trans (J217)       Labels: 0BK-927-156.clb
       Part No SW: 8R0 927 158 E    HW: 0BK 927 156 N
       Component: 0BK 20TFSIUSA H08 0010  
       Revision: --H08---    
       Coding: 001112
       Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMAL551211 001013
       ROD: EV_TCMAL551211_001.rod
       VCID: 3F874741A66E70BA85-806A
    
    1 Fault Found:
    13856 - Wheel-Speed Signal from ABS Control Module 
              P1887 00 [036] - Implausible Signal
              Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Mileage: 89297 km
                        Date: 2016.11.04
                        Time: 12:46:15
    
    
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    Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 8R0-907-379-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 8R0 907 379 H    HW: 8R0 907 379 H
       Component: ESP8 quattro  H06 0110  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
       Coding: 129D10
       Shop #: WSC 08315 444 11710
       VCID: 458B55A9CCB22A6ACF-8010
    
    2 Faults Found:
    00283 - ABS Wheel Speed Sensor; Front Left  (G47) 
                003 - Mechanical Failure - Intermittent - MIL ON
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 10100011
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 14
                        Mileage: 89297 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2016.11.04
                        Time: 12:46:12
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Hex Value: 0x0C00
                        Hex Value: 0x4002
                        Hex Value: 0x1243
                        Hex Value: 0xA8A8
                        Hex Value: 0x00FF
    
    00473 - Control Module for Elect. Park/Hand Brake (J540) 
                013 - Check DTC Memory
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01101101
                        Fault Priority: 6
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 230
                        Mileage: 89297 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2016.11.04
                        Time: 12:46:13
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Hex Value: 0x0B40
                        Hex Value: 0x4302
                        Hex Value: 0x1216
                        Hex Value: 0x02A8
                        Hex Value: 0x00FF
    
    
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    Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J393)       Labels: 8K0-907-064-05.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 CR    HW: 8K0 907 064 CR
       Component: BCM2 2.0      H05 0435  
       Revision: 00002001    
       Coding: 090500
       Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
       VCID: 02018EB59D1CDD52AA-8056
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8T0 959 754 A    HW: 8T0 959 754 A
       Component: FBSAUDIB8 IDG  H60 0072 
       Serial number: 0811000008524012    
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 905 852 D    HW: 8K0 905 852 D
       Component: J764 ELV MLB  H37 0042 
       Serial number: 2310000105260015    
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01330 - Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393) 
                013 - Check DTC Memory - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00101101
                        Fault Priority: 6
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 14
                        Mileage: 89297 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2016.11.04
                        Time: 12:46:17
    
    
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    Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: Redir Fail!
       Part No SW: 8T1 820 043 AQ    HW: 8T1 820 043 AQ
       Component: KLIMA 3 ZONEN H08 0180  
       Revision: C1000000    Serial number: 01070220111270
       Coding: 64002000
       Shop #: WSC 06335 123 12345
       VCID: 000584BD9310CF42BC-8054
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: 8K0-907-063.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 907 063 P    HW: 8K0 907 063 P
       Component: BCM1 1.0      H30 0392  
       Revision: 10030001    Serial number: 00000000937946
       Coding: 6F0020F1013CA7010000090300007F7F4F1C660802000161000000
       Shop #: WSC 08315 444 11710
       VCID: 3C7D304DBF786BA2A0-8068
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8R1 955 119 A    HW: 8R1 955 119   Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
       Component: WWS416 110122  H11 0050 
       Serial number: 90243014110114023324
       Coding: 01DD13
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 955 559     HW: 8K0 955 559   Labels: 8K0-955-559.CLB
       Component: RLS  H04 0003 
       Serial number: 11262475            
       Coding: 024D25
    
       Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8K0 941 531 AS    HW: 8K0 941 531 AS
       Component: E1 - LDS  H03 0031 
       Serial number: 00000000000102110032
    
       Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 8K0 907 410 C    HW: 8K0 907 410 C
       Component: HOMELINK  H01 0010 
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01316 - ABS Control Module 
                013 - Check DTC Memory - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00101101
                        Fault Priority: 6
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 15
                        Mileage: 89297 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2016.11.04
                        Time: 12:46:00
    
    
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    Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels: 8R0-959-655.clb
       Part No SW: 8R0 959 655 F    HW: 8R0 959 655 F
       Component: AirbagVW-AU10 H44 0610  
       Serial number: 003GPD0N102/  
       Coding: 303633313432303030304A55304C38523053
       Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaAU10SMEAU416 002004
       ROD: EV_AirbaAU10SMEAU416.rod
       VCID: 47975FA1FEBE387A3D-8012
    
       Seat occupied recognition: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8R0 959 339 A    HW: 8R0 959 339 A
       Component: BF-Gewichtss.  H02 0040 
       Serial number: 5810000R1100003Q67
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
       Serial number: 6334MSME5B160A70D
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
       Serial number: 6344MSME5B326267G
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side: 
       Serial number: 6352QSME3C065460D
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side: 
       Serial number: 6362QSME4701275EI
    
       Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side: 
       Serial number: 63732SME3E04036E0
    
       Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side: 
       Serial number: 63832SME6D0834461
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels: 8K0-953-568.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 953 568 F    HW: 8K0 953 568 F
       Component: Lenks.Modul   H17 0014  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 90372KAV00070 
       Coding: 000017
       Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
       VCID: 3D7B3D49A46262AA97-8068
    
       Component: E221 - MFL  H04 0010 
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01316 - ABS Control Module 
                013 - Check DTC Memory - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00101101
                        Fault Priority: 6
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 14
                        Mileage: 89297 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2016.11.04
                        Time: 12:46:12
    
    
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    Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels: 8R0-920-xxx-17.clb
       Part No SW: 8R0 920 950 K    HW: 8R0 920 950 K
       Component: KOMBIINSTR.   H12 0258  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: EJU309Z1C     
       Coding: 8B1F22000300D705020000
       Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
       VCID: 3E793A45A96479B28E-806A
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: 8T0-907-468.clb
       Part No SW: 8T0 907 468 AB    HW: 8T0 907 468 H
       Component: GW-BEM 5CAN   H06 0117  
       Revision: GB800053    Serial number: 5300G111298558
       Coding: 00C303
       Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
       VCID: 010381B9981AC64AB3-8054
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8R0 915 181     HW: 8R0 915 181 
       Component: J367-BDM  H07 0140 
       Serial number: 00000000005650447274
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels: 8K0-959-793.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 959 793 M    HW: 8K0 959 793 M
       Component: TSG FA        H12 0357  
       Revision:             Serial number: 0000012178471 
       Coding: 011D03204000440004
       Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
       VCID: 4A916695E5ACC51222-801E
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 46: Central Conv. (J393)       Labels: 8K0-907-064-46.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 CR    HW: 8K0 907 064 CR
       Component: BCM2 2.0      H05 0435  
       Revision: 00002001    Serial number: 0142687706    
       Coding: 0126063A20FA440084B0053200000000
       Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
       VCID: 02018EB59D1CDD52AA-8056
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 719 B    HW: 8K0 959 719 
       Component: GTO BF  H01 0070 
       Serial number: 00000000000000355928
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
       Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H05 1501 
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01316 - ABS Control Module 
                013 - Check DTC Memory - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00101101
                        Fault Priority: 6
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 14
                        Mileage: 89297 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2016.11.04
                        Time: 12:46:17
    
    
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    Address 47: Sound System (J525)       Labels: 8T0-035-223-ASC.clb
       Part No SW: 8R0 035 223 F    HW: 8R0 035 223 E
       Component: DSP STD       H11 0440  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 00000000000001
       Coding: 0203010102
       Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
       VCID: 2F6717017E0E803A15-807A
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels: 8K0-959-792.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 959 792 M    HW: 8K0 959 792 M
       Component: TSG BF        H12 0357  
       Revision:             Serial number: 0004000216836 
       Coding: 011D03204000440004
       Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
       VCID: 49935999E0AACE0A2B-801C
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 53: Parking Brake (J540)       Labels: 8K0-907-801-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 907 801 H    HW: 8K0 907 801 H
       Component: EPB Audi B8   H09 0100  
       Revision: 00000003    Serial number: 00000000857977
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 346D186D9728A3E268-8060
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01316 - ABS Control Module 
                013 - Check DTC Memory - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00101101
                        Fault Priority: 4
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 14
                        Mileage: 89297 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2016.11.04
                        Time: 12:46:13
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Voltage: 13.40 V
                        Count: 62
                        Speed: 10.0 km/h
                        Hex Value: 0x02E0
                        Hex Value: 0x0004
                        Hex Value: 0x0101
    
    
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    Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels: 8Tx-035-1xx-56.clb
       Part No SW: 8T1 035 186 R    HW: 8T1 035 186 R
       Component: Con3 Sirius   H06 0351  
       Revision: 00000009    Serial number: AUZ5Z6K1528606
       Coding: 0502000201058500C359070000
       Shop #: WSC 06335 123 12345
       VCID: 468952A5F1B42172C6-8012
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8T0 919 603 F    HW: 8T0 919 603 F
       Component: Display  
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 62: Door, Rear Left (J388)       Labels: 8K0-959-795.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 959 795 F    HW: 8K0 959 795 F
       Component: TSG HL        H11 0357  
       Revision:             Serial number: 0000112754547 
       Coding: 010C03204000240004
       Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
       VCID: 458B55A9CCB22A6ACF-8010
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 69: Trailer (J345)       Labels: 8K0-907-383.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 907 383 E    HW: 8K0 907 383 E
       Component: Anhaenger     H07 0070  
       Revision: 1A001001    Serial number: 00000124854806
       Coding: 0200000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 08315 444 11710
       VCID: 366922658154B1F256-8062
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 72: Door, Rear Right (J389)       Labels: 8K0-959-795.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 959 795 F    HW: 8K0 959 795 F
       Component: TSG HR        H11 0357  
       Revision:             Serial number: 0000112754548 
       Coding: 010C03204000240004
       Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
       VCID: 458B55A9CCB22A6ACF-8010
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 77: Telephone        Labels: 8P0-862-335.lbl
       Part No SW: 8T0 862 336 E    HW: 8T0 862 336 E
       Component: FSE_256x BT     H42 0650  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 00000005108703
       Coding: 0010370
       Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
       VCID: 3D7B3D49646262AA97-8068
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 03:17)--------------------------

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    Hello,


    Today codes came back, I cleared and they are staying cleared so far with pulsing.
    Could my toothed ring be the problem and the old sensor while stuck was fine? Or is the module now suspect?
    Does the pulsing I am getting alone cause the implausible signal fault I am getting in my auto scan?
    Any advice to further prove out anything or adaptation needed for the new sensor would be appreciated.
    Thanks.

    - We do have a Ross-Tech wiki page that maybe of some help (just in case you have not seen it ) for the fault code:

    00283 - ABS Wheel Speed Sensor Front Left (G47): Mechanical Malfunction

    - There is no 'toothed ring' on the 2011 Q5, the sensor is mounted in the wheel bearing housing(steering knuckle) and the sensor uses the wheel bearing instead of the 'toothed ring'.

    So make sure:
    - The hole for the ABS sensor is clean
    - The wheel bearing is in good condition
    - The tires, rims and axles are free from defects. - Tire/rims need to be the same size.

    - You can also use VCDS to have a look at the G47 - Wheel Speed Sensor's output with Measuring Value Blocks groups:
    MVB-001, field 1 = Wheel Speed Front Left - Speed
    MVB-007, field 1 = Wheel Speed Front Left (G47) - Installation Positions
    MVB-008, field 1 = Wheel Speed Front Left (G47) - Rotation Direction

    Drive slowly and see if any of the readings are invalid or implausible.

    - If no or an incorrect reading is seen, check wiring, connections concerns, etc... both at the sensor and ABS controller... (and above checks)

    Suggestion: Use the Official Factory Repair Information when attempting any repair on these vehicles.

    - If and only if all of the above are okay and there are no other concerns, discrepancies or issues found, the fault is most likely due to an internal concern with the J104- ABS Controller.
    (The part number does superseded once, check you local dealer for the most recent part and ask how many they have sold, who knows, they may keep them in stock?)

    ps... I personally would remove the wheel bearing before I replaced the ABS, just to make sure all is well in and around the sensor area...


    Hope this helps,

    drpeter

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    Magnetic sleeve bearings can test easily:


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    Update:

    Set same codes and lights again after a few start stop cycles. Then lights cleared themselves after another cycle.
    Blew compressed air deep into sensor hole and cleaned the end of the new sensor (had a greasy black residue)

    Comparing left to right front after above:

    Blocks groups:
    MVB-001, field 1 = Wheel Speed Front Left - Speed. Speeds always match
    MVB-007, field 1 = Wheel Speed Front Left (G47) - Installation Positions. Left says: not OK below 10mph right always says: OK
    MVB-008, field 1 = Wheel Speed Front Left (G47) - Rotation Direction. Direction always match.

    Does this indicate that the encoder on the wheel bearing is suspect? The mechanical aspects of the bearing(s) are very quiet and smooth.

    Thanks for the help.

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    Did you check the magnetic sleeve bearings? It is possible that it's dirty, there is burden on themselves, etc.

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    Or magnetic ring is broken. Like in my golf. Bearing was ok, magnetic ring had defects with same fault code.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boki Ar View Post
    Did you check the magnetic sleeve bearings? It is possible that it's dirty, there is burden on themselves, etc.
    The encoder area was dirty with a black residue. I jacked up the front of the car so I could turn the wheel and clean the encoder area with Q tips through the sensor hole. I went through about 100 double ended Q tips until they were pretty clean after wiping.
    Brakes still one quick pulse around 20 MPH slowing down and the ok not ok left to right and everything else is about the same as above. No new fault codes yet but probably on their way.

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    Codes came back and new bearing fixed it. The encoder ring plastic was uneven and looked like it was coming apart. Thanks everyone.

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