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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe View Post
    Check your PMs.

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    Uwe,
    Thanks muchly for the software. I've now had the opportunity to poll 03-ABS controller using ver 12.12.0, ver 12.2.2 and Beta ver 14.7.0. Alas, unlike Con's experience, the Adaptation maps for all three SW versions are exactly the same on my Golf. Don't know what this means (perhaps the mk7 is fundamentally different than Con's 2014 Seat Leon, not sure). Anyhow the output from my analysis can be found on the following link (sorry Con):

    03-ABS comparison spreadsheet
    Last edited by DV52; 08-01-2014 at 11:15 PM.
    VW Golf MkVII (MY13) - A3 8V hatch (MY17)

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    Seems like that your control module just doesn't have that setting available at all...

    My friend's Leon has different ABS control module than your Golf. I don't have any Golfs to be able to get reference scans. D**n!

    But I'd still like to know what's the difference between the 12.12.0, 12.12.2 and 14.7.2 Beta in my friend's car? Any ideas? Why the oldest one worked, but two newer didn't?

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    If needed, I can provide a scan of Golf but it is MY2014. XDS is activated, since this is standard equipment in our country. Though sadly, I didn't check if I can change that setting.

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    Don , your map is different from mine ( of which you have a copy). Yours does not have 'Expanded electronic differential lock' ,' Standard'.
    My TDI , R-Line does


    Code:
    ;SW:5Q0-907-379-AA   HW:5Q0-907-379-G ---  ABS Brakes				
    ;Component:ESC           H31 0457	 Coding:01FA8AA12420096E037F060641CC2980512490C0608294F300620038C202			
    ;EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100IPB	33001	EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100IPB_VW37.rod		
    ;Wednesday	23	July	2014	08:52:59:32288
    ;VCDS Version: Beta 14.7.2 (x64)  Data version: 20140714				
    ;VCID: 7BDB1D8AF29B40E2D6-802E				
    				
    ABS in lower speed range	activated 			
    Activating and deactivating all development messages	0			
    AUTO HOLD functional status	Last setting 			
    AUTO HOLD functionality	not activated 			
    AUTO HOLD increase threshold; full tensioning force	10%			
    AUTO HOLD increase threshold; reduced tensioning force	0%			
    AUTO HOLD slippage recognition	activated 			
    Automatic application during engine stalling	activated 			
    Brake booster	4			
    Brake disk drying	Weak 			
    Brake pedal evaluation	activated 			
    Brake prefill	activated 			
    Brake system vacuum pump	5			
    Braking torque boost for distance regulation	3			
    Counter steer support	Strong 			
    Driver door status	activated 			
    Dynamic starting assist	normal 			
    (1)-Electromechanical parking brake-Automatic application	activated 			
    (2)-Electromechanical parking brake-Driver presence recognition via brake pedal	not activated 			
    Electromechanical parking brake; delay level	6			
    Electronic Stability Program	not activated 			
    Engine drag torque control	activated 			
    Expanded electronic differential lock	Standard 			
    Hill-start assistant	normal 			
    Hill-start assistant; increase threshold	3%			
    Hydraulic brake assistant	normal 			
    Hydraulic brake booster	8			
    (1)-Monitoring of functional lights-Indicator light in the button for electromech. parking brake	7			
    (2)-Monitoring of functional lights-Indicator light in AUTO HOLD button	7			
    Offroad	0			
    Overboost in brake system	activated 			
    (1)-Plausibility check-Reverse gear	activated 			
    (2)-Plausibility check-Neutral gear sensor	activated 			
    Roller test bench mode	Manual activation; possible 			
    Roller test bench mode; functional	not activated 			
    Running manufacturer number	activated 			
    Seat belt buckle scan	activated 			
    Starting vibration reduction	Strong 			
    Straight ahead brake stabilization	activated 			
    Thresholds for brake performance	activated 			
    Tire pressure monitoring display	2			
    Tire pressure monitoring display; tire selection	2			
    Vehicle and trailer stabilization	not activated 			
    XCP calibration protocol	not activated 			
    Developer_Function_1	0

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    Quote Originally Posted by TDIjeff View Post
    Don , your map is different from mine ( of which you have a copy). Yours does not have 'Expanded electronic differential lock' ,' Standard'.
    My TDI , R-Line does
    Jeff: Yes I had noticed that the adaptation channels in your Golf had allowed XDS Adjustment. I'm still mystified as to why my my13 model won't allow access to this facility. I'm waiting to see if someone can reply to ConD's request because I suspect (perhaps "hope" is the better word) that my situation can be help by an answer to his problem.

    Meanwhile, I have been giving my dilemma some thought and this is my current hypothesis (for what it's worth). I'm hoping that the answer lies in the coding value because I have been able to open-up different adaptation channels (some have called these "hidden menus") when I change bytes in the coding string - see my TMC tweak instructions on VWW. I now have three coding strings for the 03-ABS controller on an MQB platform; Your TDI, My TSI and ConD's Seat 5F. I know that both your TDI and ConD's seat 5F allows access to XDS adjustment, and I know that my TSI will not. So, if I compare the Coding sequences for all three vehicles and I look for byte values that are the same on your TDI and ConD's Seat 5F but are different to the hex value on my TSI, I surmise that these are potential "hidden menu" bytes. I've done this in the chart below and the two interesting bytes are Byte12 (high nibble) & byte 21(low nibble). But I need more sample coding values with known access to the XDS adjustment to confirm my hypothesis. Hopefully if I wait, someone else will post-up their codes thus providing either confirmation of the correct byte, or proof that my approach is wrong! But, I admit that I'm a rank amateur at this stuff, so I proceed with utmost caution - my progress thus far is simply based on logic rather than facts!

    I'm happy to hear from more experienced VCDS users if you believe that my hypothesis is flawed


    Last edited by DV52; 08-10-2014 at 03:07 AM.
    VW Golf MkVII (MY13) - A3 8V hatch (MY17)

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    Can you limit to a byte or should you include 'same,same vs different' bits.
    Yes there are a LOT more of them.
    Is progressive stearing also indicated in the ABS (03) module ?. R-Line has it , does the Seat ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TDIjeff View Post
    Is progressive stearing also indicated in the ABS (03) module ?. R-Line has it , does the Seat ?
    Jeff: I've checked the Adaptation maps for both the TDI and TSI (for all module addresses) wherever the word "steering" appears and the incidences are the same for both vehicles. I posted-up my Adaptation channels on a previous post. It's here. All instances of the word "steering" in this workbook are shown below. Can you identify which one relates to "progressive steering"?

    VW Golf MkVII (MY13) - A3 8V hatch (MY17)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtl View Post
    If needed, I can provide a scan of Golf but it is MY2014. XDS is activated, since this is standard equipment in our country. Though sadly, I didn't check if I can change that setting.
    mtl:I'd like to take you up on your kind offer - please. I'd like to get more info to substantiate (or, not) my hypothesis

    Two things that I request:
    (1) please provide a copy of the complete coding string for 03- ABS module control on your car (which I hope is MQB platform)
    (2) please check the adaptation channels and confirm (or, not) if you have an entry that says something like "Expanded electronic differential lock"

    Thanks in advance
    VW Golf MkVII (MY13) - A3 8V hatch (MY17)

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    Hi, sadly I currently do not have access to the cars, so I will not be able to check adaptation channels. But below are two coding strings for VW Golf 7, both MY2014 and of course MQB platform.
    Code:
    Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 5Q0-907-379.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 907 379 L    HW: 5Q0 907 379 G
       Component: ESC           H31 0471  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 61344000000152
       Coding: 04FA62A12420096E037B070641C52920462490C0E08294F300400078C009
       Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00066
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100IPB 033001
       ROD: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100IPB_VW37.rod
       VCID: 458B6531C4BA4012F0-8010
    Code:
    Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 5Q0-907-379.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 907 379 AB    HW: 5Q0 907 379 H
       Component: ESC           H31 0557  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 60444000000296
       Coding: 01FA62A12427096E0377060741C52980462490C0608294F3F8625078C202
       Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00241
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100IPB 033001
       ROD: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100IPB_VW37.rod
       VCID: 7CFDC0D5F7F0C1DBFB-8029

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtl View Post
    Hi, sadly I currently do not have access to the cars, so I will not be able to check adaptation channels. But below are two coding strings for VW Golf 7, both MY2014 and of course MQB platform.
    mtl: Alas, without confirmation about the adaptation channels, I don't think that the info adds anything to my data set. But thanks for responding and for providing the two coding strings.
    VW Golf MkVII (MY13) - A3 8V hatch (MY17)

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