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    MK5 GTI Intermittent Faults/Misfires

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    I just got this 07 GTI running after a slipped timing belt. (See: "07 GTI Won't Start, Turns over and fires a couple times" for list of sensors replaced and other work) I cleared codes and I've taken it out for about a 15 mile drive. Getting these intermittent faults and random misfires on multiple cylinders. Could it be a loose ground or signal wire? Not sure where to go here. Thanks.
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    VIN: WVWFV71K37W16XXXX   License Plate: GTIF
    Mileage: 333180km-207028mi   Repair Order: 
    
    
    
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    Chassis Type: 1K (1K0)
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 0F 15 16 17 19 1C 25 42 44 46 52 55 56 65
    
    VIN: WVWFV71K37W166153   Mileage: 333180km-207028miles
    
    00-Steering Angle Sensor -- Status: OK 0000
    01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    02-Auto Trans -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
    0F-Digital Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    15-Airbags -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
    1C-Position Sensing -- Status: OK 0000
    25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
    44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
    55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
    56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
    65-Tire Pressure -- Status: OK 0000
     
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    Address 01: Engine        Labels: 06F-907-115-AXX.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 907 115 H    HW: 8P0 907 115 B
       Component: 2.0l R4/4V TFSI     0020  
       Revision: 5BH15---    Serial number: VWZ7Z0G8013765
       Coding: 0403010A1C070160
       Shop #: WSC 01279 067 57207
       VCID: 2B7BF8198AC3C21A25-807E
    
    8 Faults Found:
    000768 - Random/Multiple Cylinder Misfire Detected 
                   P0300 - 008 -  - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00101000
                        Fault Priority: 0
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 255
                        Mileage: 333160 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2000.00.00
                        Time: 20:45:20
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        RPM: 1207 /min
                        Load: 52.5 %
                        Speed: 0.0 km/h
                        Temperature: 15.00C
                        Temperature: 15.00C
                        Absolute Pres.: 990.0 mbar
                        Voltage: 14.097 V
    
    000771 - Cylinder 3 
                   P0303 - 008 - Misfire Detected - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00101000
                        Fault Priority: 0
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 255
                        Mileage: 333160 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2000.00.00
                        Time: 20:45:55
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        RPM: 2077 /min
                        Load: 51.0 %
                        Speed: 27.0 km/h
                        Temperature: 24.00C
                        Temperature: 15.00C
                        Absolute Pres.: 990.0 mbar
                        Voltage: 14.097 V
    
    000770 - Cylinder 2 
                   P0302 - 008 - Misfire Detected - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00101000
                        Fault Priority: 0
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 255
                        Mileage: 333160 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2000.00.00
                        Time: 20:45:55
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        RPM: 2077 /min
                        Load: 51.0 %
                        Speed: 27.0 km/h
                        Temperature: 24.00C
                        Temperature: 15.00C
                        Absolute Pres.: 990.0 mbar
                        Voltage: 14.097 V
    
    004243 - Bank 1; Fuel Measuring System 2 
                   P1093 - 008 - Malfunction - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00101000
                        Fault Priority: 0
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 255
                        Mileage: 333160 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2000.00.00
                        Time: 20:46:10
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        RPM: 1325 /min
                        Load: 12.9 %
                        Speed: 56.0 km/h
                        Temperature: 29.00C
                        Temperature: 15.00C
                        Absolute Pres.: 990.0 mbar
                        Voltage: 14.351 V
    
    000022 - Bank 1: CMP Sensor (G40) / Engine Speed Sensor (G28) 
                   P0016 - 002 - Incorrect Correlation - MIL ON
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 11100010
                        Fault Priority: 0
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 255
                        Mileage: 333161 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2000.00.00
                        Time: 20:47:11
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        RPM: 2887 /min
                        Load: 50.6 %
                        Speed: 56.0 km/h
                        Temperature: 45.00C
                        Temperature: 17.00C
                        Absolute Pres.: 990.0 mbar
                        Voltage: 14.224 V
    
    004506 - Fuel Pressure Sensor (G247) 
                   P119A - 001 - Malfunction - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00100001
                        Fault Priority: 0
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 255
                        Mileage: 333162 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2000.00.00
                        Time: 20:49:45
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        RPM: 808 /min
                        Load: 16.1 %
                        Speed: 3.0 km/h
                        Temperature: 70.00C
                        Temperature: 20.00C
                        Absolute Pres.: 990.0 mbar
                        Voltage: 14.097 V
    
    008825 - Leak in Air Intake System 
                   P2279 - 002 - 
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100010
                        Fault Priority: 0
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 255
                        Mileage: 333162 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2000.00.00
                        Time: 20:50:05
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        RPM: 748 /min
                        Load: 16.1 %
                        Speed: 0.0 km/h
                        Temperature: 72.00C
                        Temperature: 20.00C
                        Absolute Pres.: 990.0 mbar
                        Voltage: 13.843 V
    
    008196 - Intake Manifold Flap; Bank 1 
                   P2004 - 008 - Stuck Open - MIL ON
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 11101000
                        Fault Priority: 0
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 255
                        Mileage: 333170 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2000.00.00
                        Time: 21:02:29
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        RPM: 0 /min
                        Load: 0.0 %
                        Speed: 0.0 km/h
                        Temperature: 81.00C
                        Temperature: 32.00C
                        Absolute Pres.: 990.0 mbar
                        Voltage: 12.954 V
    
    Readiness: 0000 0001
    
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    Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 02E-927-770.clb
       Part No SW: 02E 300 043 Q    HW: 02E 927 770 AE
       Component: GSG DSG         070 1306  
       Revision: 04607000    Serial number: 00000612040951
       Coding: 0000020
       Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
       VCID: 2265153DFD09035296-8076
    
    1 Fault Found:
    18243 - Pressure Control Valve 5 (N233) 
                P1835 - 000 - Short to Plus - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00100000
                        Fault Priority: 0
                        Fault Frequency: 255
                        Reset counter: 8
                        Mileage: 333169 km
                        Time Indication: 0
    
    
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    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-F.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AC    HW: 1K0 907 379 AC
       Component: ESP FRONT MK60      0101  
       Revision: 00H11001    
       Coding: 0021122
       Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
       VCID: 73CB20791273DADAAD-8026
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 1K0-820-047.lbl
       Part No: 1K0 820 047 GS
       Component: Climatic PQ35   120 0606  
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 7BDB08593A23929AF5-802E
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 3C0-937-049-23-H.lbl
       Part No SW: 3C0 937 049 AE    HW: 3C0 937 049 AE
       Component: Bordnetz-SG     H52 2002  
       Revision: 00H52000    Serial number: 00000006559540
       Coding: 178D8F214004150047140000001400000028770B5C0001
       Shop #: WSC 22580 444 57677
       VCID: 6CF93B054F4D05226C-8038
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K1 955 119 E  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
       Component: Wischer 201206 020  0501  
       Coding: 00038805
       Shop #: WSC 22580  
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 0F: Digital Radio        Labels: 8E0-035-593-SIR.lbl
       Part No SW: 8E0 035 593 H    HW: 8E0 035 593 H
       Component: SDAR SIRIUS     H06 0080  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: AUZ4Z7F0024301
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 2E7DF10DB9D1B73202-807A
    
    2 Faults Found:
    02635 - Tuner Not Enabled/Activated 
                000 -  - 
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100000
                        Fault Priority: 7
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 253
                        Mileage: 333157 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2000.00.00
                        Time: 04:18:46
    
    02788 - Internal Communications Error 
                000 -  - 
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100000
                        Fault Priority: 7
                        Fault Frequency: 46
                        Reset counter: 1
                        Mileage: 333170 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2000.00.00
                        Time: 21:18:34
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Bin. Bits: 00000000
                        Bin. Bits: 00000001
    
    
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    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 AB    HW: 1K0 909 605 AB
       Component: 5L AIRBAG VW8R  034 8000  
       Revision: 05034000    Serial number: 003B6D07R6RE  
       Coding: 0013644
       Shop #: WSC 01269 785 00200
       VCID: 6CF93B054F4D05226C-8038
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 959 339 G
       Component: BF-Gewichtsens. 007 0007
    
       Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6332MSME151A07522
    
       Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6342MSME156A6B6EV
    
       Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6352QSME1C76133DN
    
       Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 6362QSME1E183E4D-
    
       Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 63727SME0B640C2E9
    
       Subsystem 7 - Serial number: 63827SME0B771B200
    
    2 Faults Found:
    01587 - Igniter 2 for Airbag; Drivers Side (N250) 
                001 - Upper Limit Exceeded - MIL ON
    00591 - Seat Belt Switch; Driver (E24) 
                010 - Open or Short to Plus - MIL ON
    
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    Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 AG    HW: 1K0 953 549 AG
       Component: J0527           636 0070  
       Coding: 0012122
       Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
       VCID: 77D31469060BB6FA91-8022
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX 
       Component: E0221           002 0010
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K6 920 973 A    HW: 1K6 920 973 A
       Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDD 1610  
       Revision: V0003000    Serial number: VWZ7Z0G8013765
       Coding: 0007207
       Shop #: WSC 22580 444 53700
       VCID: 3147EA71A8EFA8CA1F-8064
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 1K0-907-530-V2.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 K    HW: 1K0 907 951 
       Component: J533__Gateway   H04 0021  
       Revision:   H04 02    Serial number: 070107F1001226
       Coding: 7F8F03600F000000
       Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
       VCID: 2F43EC09BEDBBE3A09-807A
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 1C: Position Sensing        Labels: 1Kx-919-xxx-1C.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K6 919 879     HW: 1K6 919 879 
       Component: Kompass         001 0003  
       Revision: 00001000    Serial number: 1225223T1QSF03
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 7DDF064124379CAACB-8028
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
       Part No SW: 1K6 920 973 A    HW: 1K6 920 973 A
       Component: IMMO            VDD 1610  
       Revision: V0003000    Serial number: VWZ7Z0G8013765
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 3147EA71A8EFA8CA1F-8064
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MIN3.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 M    HW: 1K0 959 701 M
       Component: Tuer-SG         005 0983  
       Coding: 0001077
       Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
       VCID: 3851D7554B95798258-806C
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
       Part No: 1K1 909 144 L
       Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.074 H07 1806  
       Shop #: WSC 00000 028 00001
       VCID: 3449E36557FD9DE274-8060
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1K0-959-433-MAX.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CT    HW: 1K0 959 433 CT
       Component:    KSG PQ35 RDK 052 0218  
       Revision: 00052000    Serial number: 00000000000000
       Coding: 139006885103281B0904058FB0080A04889C00
       Shop #: WSC 22580 444 999999
       VCID: 042973A547DDED6284-8050
    
       Subsystem 1 - Component:   Sounder n.mounted     
    
       Subsystem 2 - Component:       NGS n.mounted     
    
       Subsystem 3 - Component:      IRUE n.mounted     
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MIN3.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 959 702 M    HW: 1K0 959 702 M
       Component: Tuer-SG         005 0983  
       Coding: 0001076
       Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
       VCID: 3957D251709F608AA7-806C
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 1T0-907-357.lbl
       Part No: 1T0 907 357 
       Component: Dynamische LWR      0003  
       Coding: 0000003
       Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
       VCID: 74C92365177DDDE2B4-8020
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 56: Radio        Labels: 1K0-035-1xx-56.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 035 180 G    HW: 1K0 035 180 G
       Component: Radio PM6       017 0023  
       Revision: 00017000    Serial number: VWZ5Z7F2121101
       Coding: 0040401
       Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
       VCID: 24691325E71D0D62E4-8070
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 65: Tire Pressure        Labels: 3C0-959-433-65.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CT    HW: 1K0 959 433 CT
       Component:    RDK              0440  
       Revision: 00052000    Serial number: 00000000000000
       Coding: 0100101
       Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
       VCID: 042973A547DDED6284-8050
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 01:11)--------------------------
    Last edited by Uwe; 10-08-2016 at 10:21 PM. Reason: ED
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    If You are sure that all timing is done correct, You have got damaged at least one camshaft after timing belt issues.

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    If You are sure that all timing is done correct, You have got damaged at least one camshaft after timing belt issues.
    I disagree......Not with open circuits..........
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    Cleared codes again and got one fault almost right away. CMP and ESS incorrect correlation. Given the rattling diesel sound in the top end I chose to order a cam chain and tensioner and wait till they get here. Back on it next weekend.

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    The top nylon slider on the tensioner was broken in two. No other obvious damage. Cams look good. I can't get the adjuster bolt out though. Using an impact gun with 120 psi at the gauge and 50 ft of hose. I'm holding it on there for 20-30 seconds at a time with no sign of movement. And, yes, it's in reverse. I don't have an acetylene torch, but would heat be appropriate on this if I did? What else can I do to get it loose? It must have Loctite on the threads, all the cover bolts did.
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    That sir is the sign of a broken keyway on the adjuster barrel.

    Here is a trick how to get it loose.

    Heat head of bolt cherry red with an acetylene torch or MAP gas torch you can buy cheap in Home Depot or Lowes etc.

    Than while still hot immediately put the impact hammer on it and it will back out easy.

    Do not reuse this bolt because it's a stretch bolt anyway.

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    I have a propane torch, slightly less hot than MAPP, but should do the same trick. I tried spraying with Aero Kroil and let it sit for a couple hours, then put the air up to 150psi and still no joy. I'll try heat. I hope it does come out easy then, because I sure don't want to have to drill it out.
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    Yeah penetrant isn't going to help with this due to shear TQ on the stretch bolt.

    Kroil is an excellent fluid though........pretty much anything from Kano is the stuff to use.

    This is also a sign of a lubrication issue in the sump...........

    When and if you see it is sheared .......A solution?


    "I tig weld the cam to the barrel adjuster, and further hard weld it so it can never do this again"!
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    I tried a propane torch, slightly less hot than MAPP, thinking it would do the same trick. That was pitifully inadequate.

    I had an acetylene torch in the garage and got it in there. 5 minutes of heat and no luck, then another 5 minutes of more concentrated heat with the torch up a little and BOOM! out it came.

    Thanks Jack. Need I say, you da man! (but don't let it go to your head) I already had the replacement bolt before I started.

    EDIT: I didn't see your reply till I posted this. If you weld the barrel adjuster to the cam, that would make it difficult, if not impossible, to change the tensioner and chain, no?
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    Nope........... because the barrel tensioner can be disassembled, and or you can install the cams in the head directly....... using the bearing caps to achieve the same thing as the weld point blocks and lose the bolt access which weakens the thing anyway, due to being inadequate TQ to begin with.

    Pictures of what you have there?
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