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    It is possible to do this with the help of an oscilloscope, but it is necessary to have "known good" signal pattern.

    For example, Alfa 147:



    Perhaps it is suitable for your check with tools?

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    Timing can be charted in VCDS advance measuring values.
    This is done by watching the G40 and G28 value displayed, for timing correlation to move into proper spec just like a PD.

    You never lock the pump in CR engines, because it doesn't matter the position and is not timed.
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    You never lock the pump in CR engines, because it doesn't matter the position and is not timed
    I agree and disagree at the same time, Jack.
    In general pump timing is not important for CR, however a lot of engines have requirement from manufacturer to set timing for pump, too. Guess why

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    agree and disagree at the same time, Jack.
    In general pump timing is not important for CR, however a lot of engines have requirement from manufacturer to set timing for pump, too. Guess why
    We are not talking about other manufactures and this thread pertains to the VW CR engines which don't.

    I'd say RTFB..........why guess?

    If you have something to say to help the forum understand something, why be cryptic?.....just do it!

    Some pumps are timed due to balance for motion resonance, and the stroke of the PSI to reach a peak point of pump efficiency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack@European_Parts View Post
    Some pumps are timed due to balance for motion resonance, and the stroke of the PSI to reach a peak point of pump efficiency.
    Exactly! And a lot of VAG CR TDI engines have timing marks on pump sprocket, too

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    Exactly! And a lot of VAG CR TDI engines have timing marks on pump sprocket, too
    Next time just say it, don't spray it.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack@European_Parts View Post
    Timing can be charted in VCDS advance measuring values.
    This is done by watching the G40 and G28 value displayed, for timing correlation to move into proper spec just like a PD.

    You never lock the pump in CR engines, because it doesn't matter the position and is not timed.
    Hi Guys thank you so much for the information and reply's, sorry its taken me so long in getting back to you but been away all last week and only got home late last night.

    Anyway tried to do what Jack@European_Parts said only to find that the Camshaft Position Sensor (G40) is not listed/showing in the measuring blocks, I know the car has the Camshaft Position Sensor but from what I can see there is no way of testing with VCDS.

    Many Thanks once again and hopefully someone can explain what I am doing wrong or advise on further testing.

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    Perhaps you could JPPSG and post an auto-scan...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack@European_Parts View Post
    Perhaps you could JPPSG and post an auto-scan...........
    Thanks Jack

    Please find full scan of the car this morning.
    You will see fault code on Address 46, this is because LED rear lights installed.


    Code:
    Tuesday,18,October,2016,10:32:30:47835
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
    VCDS Version: 16.8.3.1 (x64)
    Data version: 20161010 DS267.0
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    
    VIN: WAUZZZ8K68A048757   License Plate: 
    Mileage: 109690km-68158mi   Repair Order: 
    
    
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    Chassis Type: 8K (8T0)
    Scan: 01 03 05 07 08 09 0E 10 15 16 17 19 1E 37 42 46 47 52 53 55
              56 62 72 77
    
    VIN: WAUZZZ8K68A048757   Mileage: 109690km-68158miles
    
    01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
    04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
    05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
    07-Control Head -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
    0E-Media Player 1 -- Status: OK 0000
    10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
    1E-Media Player 2 -- Status: OK 0000
    37-Navigation -- Status: OK 0000
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
    46-Central Conv. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
    53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
    55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
    56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
    62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
    72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
    77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine (J623-CAGA)       Labels: 03L-906-022-CAG.clb
       Part No SW: 03L 906 022 B    HW: 03L 906 022 B
       Component: R4 2,0L EDC   H01 3210  
       Revision: --H01---    
       Coding: 0104002C18072118
       Shop #: WSC 99999 123 12345
       ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TDI03L906022B A01014
       ROD: EV_ECM20TDI03L906022B.rod
       VCID: 244CFA4D2F612462F8-8070
    
    No fault code found.
    Readiness: 0 0 0 0 1 
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 8K0-907-379-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 907 379 P    HW: 8K0 907 379 P
       Component: ESP8 front    H04 0180  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
       Coding: 160500
       Shop #: WSC 06325 123 12345
       VCID: 468840C5F11D3672C6-8012
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J393)       Labels: 8K0-907-064-05.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 BC    HW: 8K0 907 064 C
       Component: BCM2 1.1      H70 0252  
       Revision: 00002001    
       Coding: 031100
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 72E0CC15AD15FAD2BA-8026
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8T0 959 754 D    HW: 8T0 959 754 D
       Component: FBSAUDIB8 IDG  H37 0060 
       Serial number: 0508000018062009    
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 905 852 D    HW: 8K0 905 852 D
       Component: ELVAUDIB8  H35 0039 
       Serial number: 0208000005823009    
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 07: Control Head        Labels: 8T0-035-7xx-07-H.clb
       Part No SW: 8T0 035 729 T    HW: 4E0 035 729 
       Component: Interfacebox    H43 5570  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 329DM087564020
       Coding: 0000002
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 08192
       VCID: 4A9074F52505D21222-801E
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8T0 919 609 
       Component: E0380 BedienteilH08 0100
    
       Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 00000000077250
    
       Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 0124.04.080000000100010114’
    
       Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 010114’
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: Redir Fail!
       Part No SW: 8T2 820 043 S    HW: 8T2 820 043 S
       Component: KLIMA 3 ZONEN H06 0140  
       Revision: D0000000    Serial number: 0130.04.080590
       Coding: 34040000
       Shop #: WSC 06325 123 12345
       VCID: 42805CD5DD350A52EA-8016
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: 8K0-907-063.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 907 063 C    HW: 8K0 907 063 C
       Component: BCM1 1.0      H21 0253  
       Revision: 04021001    Serial number: 00000000133453
       Coding: 2600D2994114BF000501000000001D0D4F99030800010141000000
       Shop #: WSC 06325 123 12345
       VCID: 2F6605617EA7973A15-807A
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K2 955 119     HW: 8T2 955 119   Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
       Component: WWS 250408  H05 0060 
       Serial number: SWFBIE 0001159      
       Coding: 00FD11
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 955 559     HW: 8K0 955 559   Labels: 8K0-955-559.CLB
       Component: RLS  H04 0003 
       Serial number: 10116665            
       Coding: 025028
    
       Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8K0 941 531 G    HW: 8K0 941 531 G
       Component: E1 - LDS  H07 0070 
       Serial number: 00000000000405080593
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 0E: Media Player 1        Labels: 4E0-910-111.lbl
       Part No SW: 8T2 035 110 C    HW: 8T2 035 110 C
       Component: MP3-Changer     H42 0390  
       Revision: 00042001    Serial number: AUZ5ZBH8379535
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 2B5E11718ABFEB1A39-807E
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels: 8K0-919-475.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 919 475 AA    HW: 8P0 919 475 N
       Component: PARKHILFE 8K  H01 0080  
       Revision: 11001001    Serial number: 12501104002886
       Coding: 100003
       Shop #: WSC 06335 123 12345
       VCID: 78F4FE3DCB69908284-802C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels: 8K0-959-655.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 959 655 B    HW: 8K0 959 655 B
       Component: AirbagVW-AU10 H26 0410  
       Serial number: 0038JD155YDF  
       Coding: 30363434363030303030554A3052384B3053
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaECUVWAUDI010 A02007
       ROD: EV_AirbaECUVWAUDI010_A02.rod
       VCID: 3C7C222DB7D17CA2A0-8068
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
       Serial number: 6334MSME3A234031%
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
       Serial number: 6344MSME336034362
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side: 
       Serial number: 6352QSME6713277BL
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side: 
       Serial number: 6362QSME630C4857N
    
       Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side: 
       Serial number: 63732SME62491607Y
    
       Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side: 
       Serial number: 63832SME67171039Y
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels: 8K0-953-568.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 953 568 F    HW: 8K0 953 568 F
       Component: Lenks.Modul   H12 0013  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 90315HE6000JN 
       Coding: 000016
       Shop #: WSC 06325 123 12345
       VCID: 3D7A2F29A4CB75AA97-8068
    
       Component: E221 - MFL  H02 0003 
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels: 8T0-920-xxx-17.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 920 980 B    HW: 8K0 920 980 B
       Component: KOMBIINSTR.   H15 0221  
       Revision: 00100000    Serial number: 7BY72R258     
       Coding: 2F34080002003600010400
       Shop #: WSC 06325 123 12345
       VCID: 31620319689381CA03-8064
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: 8T0-907-468.clb
       Part No SW: 8T0 907 468 K    HW: 8T0 907 468 K
       Component: GW-BEM 4CAN-M H09 0092  
       Revision: EB302042    Serial number: 4200E08425835D
       Coding: 000003
       Shop #: WSC 06325 123 12345
       VCID: 49924BF9E003D90A2B-801C
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 915 181 B    HW: 8K0 915 181 B
       Component: J367-BDM  H03 0150 
       Serial number: 1800264B140108      
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 1E: Media Player 2 (R199)       Labels: 4E0-035-785.lbl
       Part No SW: 4E0 035 785 F    HW: 4E0 035 785 C
       Component: SG ext.Player H15 0850  
       Revision: 00000000    
       Coding: 010000
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 2B5E11714ABFEB1A39-807E
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 37: Navigation        Labels: 4E0-910-88x-37.lbl
       Part No SW: 4E0 910 888 P    HW: 4E0 919 887 M
       Component: MNS ECE         H51 1060  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 333EZ087564847
       Shop #: WSC 00976 210 89512
       VCID: 3B7E21317ADF7B9AA9-806E
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels: 8K0-959-793.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 959 793 B    HW: 8K0 959 793 
       Component: TSG FA        H10 0170  
       Revision:             Serial number: 0000007127739 
       Coding: 011F02201C01410001
       Shop #: WSC 06325 123 12345
       VCID: 3F865521AEC767BA85-806A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 46: Central Conv. (J393)       Labels: 8K0-907-064-46.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 BC    HW: 8K0 907 064 C
       Component: BCM2 1.1      H70 0252  
       Revision: 00002001    Serial number: 0111326377    
       Coding: 011F0662003904400220010000000000
       Shop #: WSC 00546 210 84725
       VCID: 72E0CC15AD15FAD2BA-8026
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8K0 951 177 
       Component: DWA-Sensor  H02 0040 
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
       Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H03 1301 
    
    1 Fault Found:
    03389 - Data Set Implausible 
                000 -  - 
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100000
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 36
                        Mileage: 109666 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2016.10.16
                        Time: 15:56:39
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 47: Sound System (J525)       Labels: 8T0-035-223-BOM.clb
       Part No SW: 8T0 035 223 T    HW: 8T0 035 223 F
       Component: DSP Prem      H14 0400  
       Revision: 00H14003    Serial number: 34814000992200
       Coding: 020101
       Shop #: WSC 12336 024 394758
       VCID: 3F865521AEC767BA85-806A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels: 8K0-959-792.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 959 792 B    HW: 8K0 959 792 
       Component: TSG BF        H10 0170  
       Revision:             Serial number: 0000007118379 
       Coding: 011C02201C01410001
       Shop #: WSC 06325 123 12345
       VCID: 3E782825A9CD6EB28E-806A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 53: Parking Brake (J540)       Labels: 8K0-907-801-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 907 801 D    HW: 8K0 907 801 D
       Component: EPB Audi B8   H04 0050  
       Revision: 00000003    Serial number: 00000000115881
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 3064061D639988C20C-8064
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 8K0-907-357.clb
       Part No: 8K0 907 357 B
       Component: Dynamische LWR  H01 0010  
       Revision: 00000001    Serial number:               
       Coding: 0000004
       Shop #: WSC 06324 000 00000
       VCID: 346C0A0D5781B4E268-8060
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio        Labels: 4E0-910-541.lbl
       Part No SW: 4E0 910 541 T    HW: 4F0 035 541 L
       Component: TUNER EU/US/RDW H42 0630  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 336EY087557256
       Coding: 0000001
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 31620319A89381CA03-8064
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 62: Door, Rear Left (J388)       Labels: 8K0-959-795.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 959 795     HW: 8K0 959 795 
       Component: TSG HL        H06 0170  
       Revision:             Serial number: 0000007131093 
       Coding: 010C02200001210001
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 7F061521EE47A7BAC5-802A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 72: Door, Rear Right (J389)       Labels: 8K0-959-794.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 959 794     HW: 8K0 959 795 
       Component: TSG HR        H06 0170  
       Revision:             Serial number: 0000007125393 
       Coding: 010C02204001210001
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 7EF8E825E94DAEB2CE-802A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 77: Telephone        Labels: 4E0-910-336.lbl
       Part No SW: 4E0 910 336 M    HW: 4E0 862 335 
       Component: Handyvorb2      H18 1130  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 00000005146826
       Coding: 0010920
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 2C5C126D8FB1EC2230-8078
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 03:51)--------------------------

    Also did Injection amount deviation and Fuel consumption test which if I am right in thinking it Is showing a am a little to advanced on the cam timing but your put me right.

    Code:
    Tuesday,18,October,2016,10:55:27:47835
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
    VCDS Version: 16.8.3.1 (x64)
    Data version: 20161010 DS267.0
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    
    VIN: WAUZZZ8K68A048757   License Plate: 
    
    
                    Address 01: Engine  (03L 906 022 B)
    
    10:55:09
      IDE00021   Engine speed 833 /min
      IDE00025   Coolant temperature 81 °C
      IDE00351   Main injection: start of activation -4.00 °
      IDE00352   Main injection: duration of activation 522.4 µs
      IDE00357   Fuel temperature 29.8 °C
      IDE00365   Injection amount deviation cylinder 1 -0.51 mg/stroke
      IDE00366   Injection amount deviation cylinder 2 0.14 mg/stroke
      IDE00367   Injection amount deviation cylinder 3 0.19 mg/stroke
      IDE00368   Injection amount deviation cylinder 4 0.19 mg/stroke
      IDE00371   Fuel consumption 0.72 l/h
      IDE00472   Mean injection quantity 6.14 mg/stroke
      ENG107474   Lambda probe oxygen concentration 695.2 mV
    Thanks again for all your help if there are any other tests I can do please let me know.

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    Any advice Jack@European_Parts ?

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