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    CCM swap and now no start...

    here is the scan below

    Here is the deal
    well some PO changed my CCM to a non roadster model
    Henceforth the top and deflector would not work.
    So I found a CCM from the EU (Much cheaper!) and that worked fine
    Top powers up and the deflector works now.
    Even got a key fob from England and it synced fine.
    Problem is now the car wont start.
    Im thinking its the 01559 01560 codes.


    Thanks for all the help and your great product!

    George

    Code:
    Friday,20,June,2014,15:27:27:41598
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator
    VCDS Version: 14.6.0.0 (x64)
    Data version: 20140601
    
    
    VIN: TRUUT28N221019270   License Plate: 02AUDITT
    Mileage: 125046   Repair Order: myride
    
    
    
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    Chassis Type: 8N (8N - Audi TT (1999 > 2007))
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 17 22 35 37 45 55 56 76 77
     
    VIN: TRUUT28N221019270   
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    Address 01: Engine        Labels: 06A-906-032-AMU.lbl
       Part No: 8N0 906 018 AN
       Component: 1.8L R4/5VT     G   0004  
       Coding: 06710
       Shop #: WSC 01236  
       VCID: 7DB238BD755310D260-5184
       TRUUT28N221019270     AUZ5Z0AN120023
    
    No fault code found.
    Readiness: 0110 1101
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 8N0-907-379-MK60-A.lbl
       Part No: 8N0 907 379 H
       Component: ESP ALLR  
       Coding: 0022544
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: 41CA844D192BB43244-5184
    
    1 Fault Found:
    00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85) 
                014 - Defective
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 8N0-820-043.lbl
       Part No: 8N0 820 043 A
       Component: TT-KLIMAVOLLAUTOMAT D03  
       Coding: 00140
       Shop #: WSC 01236  
       VCID: 281C39E9CA51657A63-2596
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01274 - Air Flow Flap Positioning Motor (V71) 
                41-00 - Blocked or No Voltage
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 8N0-959-655.lbl
       Part No: 8N0 959 655 A
       Component: Airbag Front+Seite 5000  
       Coding: 01103
       Shop #: WSC 01236  
       VCID: 3E30FFB138D5CBCA39-5184
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 8Nx-920-xxx-17.lbl
       Part No: 8N1 920 980 
       Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. M73 D02  
       Coding: 07244
       Shop #: WSC 00000  
       VCID: 73A61E85431756A206-4B3C
       TRUUT28N221019270     AUZ5Z0AN120023
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 22: AWD        Labels: 02D-900-554.lbl
       Part No: 02D 900 554 B
       Component: HALDEX LSC  ECC     0006  
       VCID: 1F0E22359F1FA2C212-4B3C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 35: Centr. Locks        Labels: 8Nx-962-267.lbl
       Part No: 8N7 962 267 
       Component: Zentralverrieg.,DWA D04  
       Coding: 04698
       Shop #: WSC 01236  
       VCID: 7DB238BD755310D260-4F50
    
    2 Faults Found:
    01559 - Drivers Door 
                61-00 - Won't De-Safe
    01560 - Passenger Door 
                61-00 - Won't De-Safe
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 4B0-907-357-AUT.lbl
       Part No: 4B0 907 357 
       Component: LEUCHTWEITEREGLER  D004  
       Coding: 00010
       Shop #: WSC 01236  
       VCID: 658270DDFDC3B81298-51CE
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio        Labels: 8E0-035-1xx-56.lbl
       Part No: 4B0 035 186 H
       Component: concert II  NP2    0006   
       Coding: 04202
       Shop #: WSC 00000  
       VCID: 250230DDBD43781258-4EC8
    
    No Faults Found
      or DTCs not supported by controller
      or a communication error occurred
    
    End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 03:40)--------------------------
    Last edited by Uwe; 06-20-2014 at 07:08 PM. Reason: Wrapped CODE tags around Auto-Scan

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    Well, if we look at your Central Locking Module's Coding, it has the following options set:

    +00001 = Rear Lid Opening via Rear Lid Lock Button
    +00002 = Anti-Theft Locking Confirmation (Turn Signals)
    +00004 = Selective Locking active
    +00008 = Anti-Theft-System installed
    +00016 = Half-Automatic Convertible Top (Roadster only)
    +00032 = Auto-Lock/Unlock (Locking at 15 km/h)
    +00064 = Comfort Operation (Windows/Sunroof) via Remote Control
    +00128 = Right-Hand-Drive (RHD)
    +00256 = Rear Lid Logic (Anti-Theft-System)
    +00512 = Remote Control "Close" Confirmation (1x Turn Signals)
    +01024 = Anti-Theft Locking Confirmation (Siren/Horn)
    +02048 = Door/Window Logic (USA / Terminal 87)
    +04096 = Remote Control "Open" Confirmation (2x Turn Signals)
    +08192 = Remote Control active


    You might try subtracting 8 from the existing coding to turn off the Anti-Theft system to see if that helps.

    However, I'm scratching my head wondering why there's no option to turn off the "Safe" stuff (that's an anti carjacking "dealbolt" type feature that isn't allowed in the US). That's the source of your 01559 and 01560 faults, but I don't think that's why the car won't start.

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    Describe the no start situation. There are no fault codes for failure of start.
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    On those older cars, basically Mk.4 technology, the signal to the starter goes through the CCM (or in this case CLM) which can block it if it thinks that's appropriate. This will typically not produce any fault code.

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    Yes there is no engine fault codes and no failure to start codes.
    Its like the starter was inhibited. No starter spin at all.

    Uwe I will try it out tomorrow. I Just wish I had the long code helper like the newer cars have. Worked on a friends 09 GTI and it was nice!
    Last edited by summitradio; 06-20-2014 at 10:20 PM. Reason: comments

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    This is a euro CCM so I think that might be why....

    George


    You might try subtracting 8 from the existing coding to turn off the Anti-Theft system to see if that helps.

    However, I'm scratching my head wondering why there's no option to turn off the "Safe" stuff (that's an anti carjacking "dealbolt" type feature that isn't allowed in the US). That's the source of your 01559 and 01560 faults, but I don't think that's why the car won't start.

    -Uwe-
    Last edited by Uwe; 06-21-2014 at 12:37 PM. Reason: fixed quote tags

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    So I tried adding +8 and no go on the euro ccm. swapped back to the coupe american ccm and it starts. Copied the soft coding from the NA ccm and loaded in the euro ccm and swapped back. No start again.... perhaps the Euro ccm is bad or Im buggering it up.

    George

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    Adding and subtracting are not the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe View Post
    Well, if we look at your Central Locking Module's Coding, it has the following options set:

    +00001 = Rear Lid Opening via Rear Lid Lock Button
    +00002 = Anti-Theft Locking Confirmation (Turn Signals)
    +00004 = Selective Locking active
    +00008 = Anti-Theft-System installed
    +00016 = Half-Automatic Convertible Top (Roadster only)
    +00032 = Auto-Lock/Unlock (Locking at 15 km/h)
    +00064 = Comfort Operation (Windows/Sunroof) via Remote Control
    +00128 = Right-Hand-Drive (RHD)
    +00256 = Rear Lid Logic (Anti-Theft-System)
    +00512 = Remote Control "Close" Confirmation (1x Turn Signals)
    +01024 = Anti-Theft Locking Confirmation (Siren/Horn)
    +02048 = Door/Window Logic (USA / Terminal 87)
    +04096 = Remote Control "Open" Confirmation (2x Turn Signals)
    +08192 = Remote Control active


    You might try subtracting 8 from the existing coding to turn off the Anti-Theft system to see if that helps.

    However, I'm scratching my head wondering why there's no option to turn off the "Safe" stuff (that's an anti carjacking "dealbolt" type feature that isn't allowed in the US). That's the source of your 01559 and 01560 faults, but I don't think that's why the car won't start.

    -Uwe-
    You forgot the +2, turn signals for anti theft confirmation.
    Basicly the coding should be 04690, if I'm getting it correct.
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