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    2009 jetta to brake lights activate backwards

    Hello, I just bought my vcds to bleed my brakes after a master cylinder change. I went through the process until I came to a screen which said. Partial, venting stopped. My abs and esp does not work. It did before I bleed the brakes. My brakes feel fine. Here is the big question. The brake light switch is activated when I am off the brake. When I step on the brake it is inactive. Maybe I change some parameter without knowing it. Thanks, Joe

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    Please post and auto-scan...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe312 View Post
    Hello, I just bought my vcds to bleed my brakes after a master cylinder change. I went through the process until I came to a screen which said. Partial, venting stopped. My abs and esp does not work. It did before I bleed the brakes. My brakes feel fine. Here is the big question. The brake light switch is activated when I am off the brake. When I step on the brake it is inactive. Maybe I change some parameter without knowing it. Thanks, Joe
    I hope this is what you were asking for. I have pasted the auto scan. I tried to make the first post as short as possible but will add some background. Hopefully I do not get to winded. About one year ago I changed the master cylinder. I did not know about the abs bleeding then and never had a good pedal. As time went on I forgot about it and thought it was normal. A few months ago I started to lose power or rather the accelerator. Cruise would kick off also. I found out that the brake light would stay on at times causing the engine problem. I think I am sure that the engine will not send fuel to the DSG tranny when you are on the brake. I put in a new brake light switch. Same issue. Time to get serious and by the shop manual. I did not feel the master cylinder caused the problem but I started from scratch. New master, manual and full VCDS. Brakes work fine now. No mush. There is a value for brake pressure and the lowest with no brake is .17 bar. It get higher as I step down. In my basic section it says that the brake pressure sensor is not functioning but I get readings. Sorry for not knowing all the screens I was looking at. I am typing this in my house. Before I bled the brakes the brake light would stay on but worked correctly and the abs/esp did not flash. I have registered with tech support and will call before I cry uncle and go to VW. I would rather not fail at this point. Sorry for the long post and thanks, Joe

    Code:
    Friday,20,June,2014,14:53:31:25857
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator
    VCDS Version: 12.12.2.0 (x64)
    Data version: 20140212
    
    
    VIN: 3VWAL71KX9M057480   License Plate: 
    Mileage: 155190km-96430mi   Repair Order: 
    
    
    
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    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    Chassis Type: 1K (1K0)
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 0F 15 16 17 19 1C 25 42 44 46 52 56 62 65 72
             
    
    VIN: 3VWAL71KX9M057480   Mileage: 155190km/96430miles
    
    01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
    0F-Digital Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
    1C-Position Sensing -- Status: OK 0000
    25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
    44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
    56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
    65-Tire Pressure -- Status: OK 0000
    72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine (CBE)       Labels: 03L-906-022-CBE.clb
       Part No SW: 03L 997 016 P    HW: 03L 906 022 J
       Component: R4 2,0L EDC G000AG  8681  
       Revision: 12H01---    Serial number: VWX7Z0H824E14E
       Coding: 0050078
       Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
       VCID: 3F8D57AD6E18BDE6A2D-806A
    
    5 Faults Found:
    001393 - Brake Switch (F) 
                   P0571 - 000 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00100000
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 2
                        Reset counter: 255
                        Mileage: 155001 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2000.00.00
                        Time: 13:01:20
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        RPM: 828 /min
                        Speed: 0.0 km/h
                        Load: 0.0 %
                        Voltage: 13.68 V
                        Torque: 0.0 Nm
                        Hex Value: 0xFF00
                        Bin. Bits: 00101110
    
    000257 - Mass Air Flow Sensor (G70) 
                   P0101 - 000 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00100000
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 255
                        Mileage: 155189 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2000.00.00
                        Time: 21:14:50
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        RPM: 0 /min
                        Speed: 0.0 km/h
                        Voltage: 11.55 V
                        Load: 100.0 %
                        Load: 100.0 %
                        Mass Air / Rev.: 1100.0 mg/str
                        Mass Air / Rev.: 0.0 mg/str
    
    001674 - ECM Power Relay Load Circuit: (J271) 
                   P068A - 000 - De-Energized Performance Too Early - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00100000
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 255
                        Mileage: 0 km
                        Time Indication: 0
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        RPM: 0 /min
                        Speed: 0.0 km/h
                        Load: 0.0 %
                        Voltage: 0.00 V
                        Hex Value: 0xFF00
                        Bin. Bits: 00000000
                        Temperature: -90.0C
    
    001025 - EGR System 
                   P0401 - 000 - Insufficient Flow - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00100000
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 255
                        Mileage: 155189 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2000.00.00
                        Time: 00:39:09
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        RPM: 1311 /min
                        Speed: 18.0 km/h
                        Voltage: 13.76 V
                        Load: 60.8 %
                        Load: 100.0 %
                        Mass Air / Rev.: 210.0 mg/str
                        Mass Air / Rev.: 345.0 mg/str
    
    001162 - Exhaust Pressure Control Valve 1 
                   P048A - 000 - Stuck Closed - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00100000
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 3
                        Reset counter: 255
                        Mileage: 155189 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2000.00.00
                        Time: 00:39:10
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        RPM: 1311 /min
                        Speed: 18.0 km/h
                        Load: 17.6 %
                        Load: 9.8 %
                        Lambda: 86.0 %
                        Temperature: 60.0C
                        Temperature: 53.1C
    
    Readiness: 0 1 0 0 0 
    
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    Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 02E-927-770.lbl
       Part No SW: 02E 300 051     HW: 02E 927 770 AJ
       Component: GSG DSG AG6     431 1814  
       Revision: 04843012    Serial number: 00000806300812
       Coding: 0000020
       Shop #: WSC 02069 000 90108
       VCID: D0AFE4114386B29ECB7-8085
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 03: ABS Brakes (-----)       Labels: 1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AE    HW: 1K0 907 379 AE
       Component: ESP MK60EC1   H35 0104  
       Revision: 00H35001    
       Coding: 113B400D49270001880F02EC92190042B100
       Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
       VCID: 75E1F585DCA437B6B81-8020
    
    2 Faults Found:
    01487 - System Function Test 
                000 - - - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00100000
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 222
                        Mileage: 155190 km
                        Time Indication: 0
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Count: 16384
                        Count: 0
                        Count: 4608
                        Count: 321
                        Count: 49958
                        Count: 0
                        Count: 0
                        Count: 0
    
    01486 - System Function Test Activated 
                000 - -
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100000
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 221
                        Mileage: 155190 km
                        Time Indication: 0
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Count: 16384
                        Count: 14
                        Count: 12800
                        Count: 320
                        Count: 49664
                        Count: 0
                        Count: 0
                        Count: 0
    
    
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    Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 1K0-820-047.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 820 047 JM    HW: 1K0 820 047 JM
       Component: Climatic PQ35   142 1212  
       Revision: 00142032    Serial number: 00000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 78FFFCB10BB64ADEA37-802D
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 3C0-937-049-30-M.lbl
       Part No SW: 3C8 937 049 D    HW: 3C8 937 049 D
       Component: Bordnetz-SG     H54 2602  
       Revision: 00H54000    Serial number: 00000001067477
       Coding: 14018E234004150007140000001400000008730B5C000120000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
       VCID: 326B0E99AD4A608E5D3-8067
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K1 955 119 E  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
       Component: Wischer 290908 021  0501  
       Coding: 00038805
       Shop #: WSC 00066  
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 0F: Digital Radio        Labels: 8E0-035-593-SIR.lbl
       Part No SW: 8E0 035 593 M    HW: 8E0 035 593 M
       Component: SDAR SIRIUS     H07 0150  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: AUZ4Z7H0427318
       Coding: 0000100
       Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
       VCID: 33650B9D52506986565-8066
    
    1 Fault Found:
    02635 - Tuner Not Enabled/Activated 
                000 - -
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100000
                        Fault Priority: 7
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 221
                        Mileage: 155190 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2000.00.00
                        Time: 22:39:21
    
    
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    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 AB    HW: 1K0 909 605 AB
       Component: 6A AIRBAG VW8R  034 8000  
       Revision: 05034000    Serial number: 003B6M06ZZZO  
       Coding: 0013889
       Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
       VCID: 6CD7D0E14FEEF67E57F-8039
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 959 339 H
       Component: BF-Gewichtsens. 007 0006
    
       Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6332MSME3E3153336
    
       Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6342MSME3F45060BG
    
       Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6351HSME18186E016
    
       Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 6361HSME18191A211
    
       Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 63727SME1746012F$
    
       Subsystem 7 - Serial number: 63827SME16380775+
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 BS    HW: 1K0 953 549 BS
       Component: J0527           051 0101  
       Coding: 0012021
       Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
       VCID: 84071841C77E9E3E3FF-80D1
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX 
       Component: E0221           002 0010
    
    5 Faults Found:
    00576 - Terminal 15 
                012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
    00883 - Ignition Switch (D) Terminal S 
                012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
    00884 - Ignition Switch (D) Terminal X 
                012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
    01744 - Ignition Switch Terminal P (D) 
                012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
    00885 - Ignition Switch (D) Terminal 50 
                012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
    
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    Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 920 974 N    HW: 1K0 920 974 N
       Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT 3HL 2418  
       Revision: V0003000    Serial number: VWX7Z0H824E14E
       Coding: 0023203
       Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
       VCID: 397939B5703C93D69C9-806C
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 1K0-907-530-V3.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 Q    HW: 1K0 907 951 
       Component: J533  Gateway   H07 5063  
       Revision:   H07 01    Serial number: 130808F2000123
       Coding: ED807F070013021002
       Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
       VCID: 356135855C2477B6781-8060
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 1C: Position Sensing        Labels: 1Kx-919-xxx-1C.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K5 919 965 A    HW: 1K5 919 965 A
       Component: Kompass         005 0004  
       Revision: 00005000    Serial number: 1293324T3BYP04
       Coding: 0000003
       Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
       VCID: 397939B5703C93D69C9-806C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 920 974 N    HW: 1K0 920 974 N
       Component: IMMO            3HL 2418  
       Revision: V0003000    Serial number: VWX7Z0H824E14E
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 397939B5703C93D69C9-806C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MIN3.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 AC    HW: 1K0 959 793 N
       Component: J386  TUER-SG FT    1519  
       Revision: 72009005    Serial number: 00000809388908
       Coding: 0001205
       Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
       VCID: 6FEDC7ED7EF80D6672D-803A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
       Part No: 1K0 909 144 C
       Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 70     2301  
       Revision: 00H15000    
       Shop #: WSC 02069 000 90108
       VCID: 2A5B16F9859A284EE53-807F
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1K0-959-433-MAX.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CT    HW: 1K0 959 433 CT
       Component:    KSG PQ35 RDK 052 0221  
       Revision: 00052000    Serial number: 00000000000000
       Coding: 13900F880186281B0904058FB0880F0488DC00
       Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
       VCID: 84071841C77E9E3E3FF-80D1
    
       Subsystem 1 - Component:   Sounder n.mounted     
    
       Subsystem 2 - Component:       NGS n.mounted     
    
       Subsystem 3 - Component:      IRUE n.mounted     
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MIN3.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 959 702 AC    HW: 1K0 959 792 N
       Component: J387  TUER-SG BT    1519  
       Revision: 72009005    Serial number: 08072303145601
       Coding: 0001204
       Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
       VCID: 70EFC49163C6129E6B7-8025
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 56: Radio        Labels: 1K0-035-1xx-56.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 035 180 L    HW: 1K0 035 180 L
       Component: Radio DE2       016 0020  
       Revision: 00016000    Serial number: VWZ4Z7H2232853
       Coding: 0010400
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 2959E9F5809C2356EC9-807C
    
    1 Fault Found:
    00003 - Control Module 
                014 - Defective
    
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    Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels: 1K0-959-703-GEN3.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 959 703 AH    HW: 1K0 959 795 T
       Component: J388   TUER-SG HL   1401  
       Revision: 12006001    Serial number: 00000003424293
       Coding: 0001168
       Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
       VCID: 76E3F28901A23CAEB1B-8023
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 65: Tire Pressure        Labels: 3C0-959-433-65.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CT    HW: 1K0 959 433 CT
       Component:    RDK              0450  
       Revision: 00052000    Serial number: 00000000000000
       Coding: 0100101
       Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
       VCID: 84071841C77E9E3E3FF-80D1
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels: 1K0-959-704-GEN3.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 959 704 AH    HW: 1K0 959 794 T
       Component: J389   TUER-SG HR   1401  
       Revision: 12006001    Serial number: 00000003439929
       Coding: 0001168
       Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
       VCID: 77FDFF8D06A845A6AAD-8022
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Last edited by Uwe; 06-20-2014 at 06:03 PM. Reason: Wrapped CODE tags around Auto-Scan

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    http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/01486

    http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index..._Function_Test

    The 01486 is less of a fault code and more of a status report... the ABS module is in a test mode and wants to go for a test drive. 01487 means you didn't complete the test in the [X] time frame once started.

    It is time for you to hit the church parking lot.
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    Auto-Scan, learn it, love it, live it... then check the fuses.

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    My thanks to Jack for having me post the scan and Jeff for the info. I caused my own problems with the abs. I followed the directions provided and the abs system is working. I am narrowing down my brake lamps working backwards problem. With the brake switch wire disconnected the lamps are on. I connected the wire to my old cylinder off the car and it works correctly. I took the switch off the mounted cylinder and it also works correctly on the unmounted cylinder. Tomorrow I will switch the cylinders and see what's up. There is a magnet of some sort that activates the switch inside the master cylinder. Pretty long windup for my question. Do you have to buy genuine VW master cylinders for the brake light switch to work correctly. The one I am putting back on has its own similar brake light activation issue. Once again to Jack and Jeff a big Thank You. Joe

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