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    2013 Audi S4 DSG transmission problems

    Hi,

    I'm having what I think is a transmission problem with this car. It has the DL501 (0B5) DSG transmission, and it is driving very poorly. It shudders (vibrates) very noticeably when starting or shifting in D, and it surges in both D or M.

    The car is not throwing any transmission codes to help narrow the problem down. I'm hoping somebody might be able to suggest some values to log?

    Steps taken so far:
    1. Drained old ATF. (BTW, when draining the fluid look an odd light tan or very light green color. Can provide pictures if it helps.)
    2. Re-filled with 6.25L of RAVENOL J1D2111 following the procedure for correct fluid level.
    3. Did a test drive and everything seemed better, but on the next (longer) drive the problems slowly returned.
    4. Followed the Basic Setting steps here http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index...rbox_(DSG/0B5). All 3 Basic Setting steps completed successfully, but didn't make any noticeable difference.
    5. Checked for any new codes between all of these steps but it hasn't thrown any auto trans codes during the entire time.

    Auto-Scan:
    Code:
    Saturday,03,September,2016,13:35:56:62027
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    Data version: 20160803 DS255
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    VIN: WAUBGAFL9DA113356   License Plate: 
    Mileage: 31970km-19865mi   Repair Order: 
    
    
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    Chassis Type: FL (8R0)
    Scan: 01 02 03 05 08 09 15 16 17 19 22 36 42 44 46 47 52 53 56 5F
              62 6C 72 A9
    
    VIN: WAUBGAFL9DA113356   Mileage: 31970km-19865miles
    
    01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
    02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
    04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
    05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
    22-AWD -- Status: OK 0000
    36-Seat Mem. Drvr -- Status: OK 0000
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
    44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
    47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
    53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
    56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
    5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
    62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
    6C-Back-up Cam. -- Status: OK 0000
    72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
    A9-Struct. Borne Sound -- Status: OK 0000
     
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    Address 01: Engine (J623-CGXC)       Labels: 06E-907-551-CGW.clb
       Part No SW: 8K5 907 551 E    HW: 4G0 907 551 A
       Component: 3.0l V6 TFSIH07 0002  
       Revision: --H07---    
       Coding: 0A250034052600060000
       Shop #: WSC 06208 123 12345
       ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM30TFS0218K5907551E 001002
       ROD: EV_ECM30TFS0218K5907551E.rod
       VCID: 3875C55783A1C08258-806C
    
    No fault code found.
    Readiness: 0010 0100
    
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    Address 02: Auto Trans (J217)       Labels: 0B5-927-156.clb
       Part No SW: 8K2 927 156 M    HW: 0B5 927 156 J
       Component: 0B5 30TFSINAR H01 0004  
       Revision: --H01---    
       Coding: 000001
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMDL501021 001010
       ROD: EV_TCMDL501021_AU48.rod
       VCID: 4085ADB7DB718842E0-8014
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 8K0-907-379-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 907 379 CK    HW: 8K0 907 379 CK
       Component: ESP8 quattro  H09 0100  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
       Coding: 291D1A
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 040D61A787E9546284-8050
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J393)       Labels: 8K0-907-064-05.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 GM    HW: 8K0 907 064 FM
       Component: BCM2 2.0      H11 0621  
       Revision: 00002001    
       Coding: 0D814000000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 010368B398FB414AAF-8054
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 905 852 E    HW: 8K0 905 852 E
       Component: J764 ELV MLB  H40 0046 
       Serial number: 2312000161098009    
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: Redir Fail!
       Part No SW: 8K1 820 043 T    HW: 8K1 820 043 T
       Component: KLIMA 3 ZONEN H04 0121  
       Revision: C1000000    Serial number: 01310720120951
       Coding: 6600228000
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 3973C053B0ABD98AA7-806C
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: 8K0-907-063.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 907 063 DH    HW: 8K0 907 063 DH
       Component: BCM1 1.0      H16 0103  
       Revision: 08016001    Serial number: 00000454639701
       Coding: 26000011863CAFE0210040C300003D0D4F9CD308A2090221000008004000030100000030000000
       Shop #: WSC 06325 123 12345
       VCID: 78F50557CB21008298-802C
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K1 955 119 A    HW: 8T1 955 119   Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
       Component: WWS 260712  H07 0080 
       Serial number: SWF12070265290      
       Coding: 00FD11
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8U0 955 559 B    HW: 8U0 955 559 B  Labels: 8U0-955-559.CLB
       Component: G397_RLFS  H06 0002 
       Serial number: 20458214            
       Coding: 02005D
    
       Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8K0 941 531 AS    HW: 8K0 941 531 AS
       Component: E1 - LDS  H03 0031 
       Serial number: 00000000001207120515
    
       Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 4G0 907 410 A    HW: 4H0 907 410 A
       Component: USHL4.2  H30 0030 
       Serial number: 0000002274555R2D5Q02
    
       Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: 4H0 907 658     HW: 4H0 907 658 
       Component: AQ_Hum_Sensor  H03 0003 
       Serial number: C408CD36000000000001
    
    1 Fault Found:
    00978 - Lamp for Low Beam; Left (M29) 
                012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01101100
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 47
                        Mileage: 31929 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2016.08.10
                        Time: 23:37:29
    
    
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    Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels: 8K0-959-655.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 959 655 P    HW: 8K0 959 655 P
       Component: AirbagVW-AU10 H45 0610  
       Serial number: 003KJD90H8TW  
       Coding: 303842354730303030304A55304C384B3053
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaECUVWAUDI010 003010
       ROD: EV_AirbaECUVWAUDI010_AU48.rod
       VCID: 4A918F9FED4D42123E-801E
    
       Seat occupied recognition: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 339 C    HW: 8K0 959 339 C
       Component: BF-Gewichtss.  H02 0040 
       Serial number: 5810000R1200009NB5
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
       Serial number: 6334MSME70124B3EF
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
       Serial number: 6344MSME6F652835O
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side: 
       Serial number: 6352QSME721F5448N
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side: 
       Serial number: 6362QSME7E1A0968X
    
       Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side: 
       Serial number: 63732SME111B4774Z
    
       Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side: 
       Serial number: 63832SME0A092D00Y
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels: 8K0-953-568.clb
       Part No SW: 8R0 953 568 S    HW: 8R0 953 568 S
       Component: Lenks.Modul   H07 0171  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 20120801000928
       Coding: 000036
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 51A398F3081B71CA7F-8004
    
       Component: E221 - MFL  H03 0003 
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels: 8T0-920-xxx-17.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 920 982 L    HW: 8K0 920 982 L
       Component: KOMBIINSTR.   H35 0553  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: RBN337V7D     
       Coding: 83BF09008301D705020000
       Shop #: WSC 54321 321 11111
       VCID: 3D7BD443A483E5AA8B-8068
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: 8T0-907-468.clb
       Part No SW: 8R0 907 468 H    HW: 8R0 907 468 C
       Component: GW-BEM 4CAN-M H11 0051  
       Revision: 1Y050025    Serial number: 2541Y1271881D6
       Coding: 80C303FF00
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 448DA1A7C7699462C4-8010
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8T0 915 181     HW: 8T0 915 181 
       Component: J367-BDMHella  H03 8041 
       Serial number: 6083707801          
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 22: AWD (J492)       Labels: 8K0-907-163.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 907 163 B    HW: 8K0 907 163 A
       Component: 4 Wheel Drive H13 0100  
       Serial number: 002007120001007
       ASAM Dataset: EV_AllWheelDiffeQSPCAN 003019
       ROD: EV_AllWheelDiffeQSPCAN.rod
       VCID: 2F67FE0B76EF073A09-807A
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr (J136)       Labels: 8T0-959-760.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 959 760 D    HW: 8K0 959 760 D
       Component: MEM-FS        H06 0076  
       Revision: AA000000    Serial number: 00000034264172
       Coding: 00581B00000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 3B7FDA5BBA97EB9AB5-806E
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels: 8K0-959-793.clb
       Part No SW: 8T0 959 793 P    HW: 8T0 959 793 G
       Component: TSG FA        H09 0304  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
       Coding: 011C13204E00410001
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 56A96BEF21F516F2AA-8002
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 44: Steering Assist (J500)       Labels: 8K0-909-144.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 909 144 F    HW: 8K0 909 144 B
       Component: RCEPS         H37 0507  
       Revision: 00001000    Serial number: 0003459682
       Coding: 100000010001
       Shop #: WSC 55474 001 1048576
       ASAM Dataset: EV_RCEPSAU48X 008014
       ROD: EV_RCEPSAU48X.rod
       VCID: 346DF1679FC924E274-8060
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 46: Central Conv. (J393)       Labels: 8K0-907-064-46.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 GM    HW: 8K0 907 064 FM
       Component: BCM2 2.0      H11 0621  
       Revision: 00002001    Serial number: 0180938853    
       Coding: 01060E3A00FA400580B0013200000000
       Shop #: WSC 55474 001 104857
       VCID: 010368B398FB414AAF-8054
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 719 B    HW: 8K0 959 719 
       Component: GTO BF  H01 0080 
       Serial number: 00000000000000550813
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
       Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H05 1501 
    
       Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 591 B    HW: 8K0 959 591 
       Component: J245 PS050  H08 0043 
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 47: Sound System (J525)       Labels: 8T0-035-223-BOM.clb
       Part No SW: 8T1 035 223 A    HW: 8T1 035 223 A
       Component: DSP Prem      H05 0030  
       Revision: 00005001    Serial number: 94813004952302
       VCID: 2D5BE40374E3752A3B-8078
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels: 8K0-959-792.clb
       Part No SW: 8T0 959 792 P    HW: 8T0 959 792 G
       Component: TSG BF        H09 0304  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
       Coding: 011C13204E00410001
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 55AB6CE33CF31DEAA3-8000
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 53: Parking Brake (----)       Labels: 8K0-907-801-V2.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 907 801 L    HW: 8K0 907 801 J
       Component: EPB-4         H01 0003  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 10000000077285
       ASAM Dataset: EV_ParkiBrake 001027
       ROD: EV_ParkiBrake_VW51.rod
       VCID: 3875C55783A1C08258-806C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio (R)       Labels: Redir Fail!
       Part No SW: 4G0 035 082 D    HW: 4G0 035 082 
       Component: Radio U SIRIU H60 0112  
       Revision: AB001007    Serial number: 156G00C7619481
       Coding: 020007010000000001
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 21430833383BA14A8F-8074
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels: 4E0-035-6xx-5F.clb
       Part No SW: 8R1 035 746 B    HW: 8R1 035 746 B
       Component: H-BNT-NA      H43 0552  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 204GX0C7514384
       Coding: 110200000206E1EF45028F4E00000403140000000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 3669CB6F81B536F24A-8062
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8R0 060 884 AM
       Component: NAR 2012  0605 
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8R0 919 604     HW: 8R0 919 604 
       Component: DU7 High  H41 0104 
       Serial number: A130G-0C2508877     
    
       Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8T0 919 611 C    HW: 8T0 919 611 C
       Component: E0380 Bedient  H02 0020 
       Serial number: 00000001122586      
    
       Subsystem 4 - Part No: 8R0 060 961 D
       Component: CD-Database  4353 
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 62: Door, Rear Left (J388)       Labels: 8K0-959-795.clb
       Part No SW: 8T0 959 795 Q    HW: 8T0 959 795 H
       Component: TSG HL        H07 0304  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
       Coding: 010C13204000210001
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 59B360D350EB398A87-800C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 6C: Back-up Cam.        Labels: 8T0-907-441.clb
       Part No SW: 8T0 907 441 C    HW: 4L0 907 441 B
       Component: J772__Rearview      0040  
       Revision: --H07---    Serial number: 525PA8-J2690SQ
       Coding: 1000006
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 3875C5574BA1C08258-806C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 72: Door, Rear Right (J389)       Labels: 8K0-959-794.clb
       Part No SW: 8T0 959 795 Q    HW: 8T0 959 795 H
       Component: TSG HR        H07 0304  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
       Coding: 010C13204000210001
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 59B360D350EB398A87-800C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address A9: Struct. Borne Sound (J869)       Labels: 4H0-907-159.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 907 159     HW: 4H0 907 159 A
       Component: SAS-GEN 2     H06 0005  
       Serial number: 120623201651
       ASAM Dataset: EV_SoundActuaGen2AU64X 002005
       ROD: EV_SoundActuaGen2AU64X.rod
       VCID: 72E1377FA55D6AD2A6-8026
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 04:00)--------------------------
    Advanced Transmission ID:
    Code:
    Saturday,20,August,2016,11:54:28:62027
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    VCDS Version: 16.8.0.3 (x64)
    Data version: 20160803 DS255
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    VIN: WAUBGAFL9DA113356   License Plate: 
    Mileage: TransAdvId   Repair Order: 
    
    
                    Address 02: Auto Trans
    Control Module Part Number: 8K2 927 156 M
      Component and/or Version: 0B5 30TFSINAR H01 0004
               Software Coding: 000001
                Work Shop Code: WSC 06325
                          VCID: 4085ADB7DB718842E0-8014
    
    Advanced Identification/FAZIT
         Identification: TFK-030
         Revision: --H01---
         Date: 05.07.12
         Manufacturer number: 0901
         Test stand number: 1321
    Flash Status
         Programming Attempts(application): 1/1
         Successful Attempts(application): 1/1
         Programming Status: 00000000
         Flash Date: 05.12.08
         Flash Date: 0000.00.00
         Flash Tool Code: 00000 000 00000
    Software
         UDS: 02.00.03
         ISO15765: 02.00.01
         CAN: 02.14.02
         HiSpd Net: 01.06.00
    Misc.
         Hardware number: 0B5 927 156 J
         Workshop System Name: J217
         ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMDL501021
         ASAM Dataset Revision: 001010
    Car Info
         Chassis Number: WAUBGAFL9DA113356
    VCDS Info:
           VCID: 4085ADB7DB718842E0-8014
           Labels: 0B5-927-156.clb
           ROD: EV_TCMDL501021_AU48.rod
    I also tried logging some things that looked like they might be helpful, but I could really use some guidance here:
    Code:
    Monday,05,September,2016,14:49:13:62027-VCID:4085ADB7DB718842E0-8014,VCDS Version: Release 16.8.0 (x64),Data version: 20160803 DS255
    8K2 927 156 M,ADVMB,0B5 30TFSINAR H01 0004,
    ,,G016,F0,G036,F0,G037,F0,G038,F0,G053,F0,G055,F0,G069,F0,G070,F0,G071,F0,G072,F0,G073,F0,G000,F0,
    
    Marker,TIME,Loc. IDE00085,TIME,Loc. IDE00098,TIME,Loc. IDE00100-ENG98502,TIME,Loc. IDE00101-ENG98502,TIME,Loc. IDE00854-ENG98502,TIME,Loc. IDE00856-ENG98502,TIME,Loc. IDE00876-ENG98502,TIME,Loc. IDE00877-ENG98502,TIME,Loc. IDE00878-ENG98502,TIME,Loc. IDE02720-ENG98502,TIME,Loc. IDE02721-ENG98502,,,
    ,STAMP,Normed load value,STAMP,Transmission position,STAMP,Engine torque-Data,STAMP,Engine specified torque during transmission intervention-Data,STAMP,Clutch 1 upper adaptation point-Data,STAMP,Clutch 2 upper adaptation point-Data,STAMP,Clutch pressure: clutch 1-Data,STAMP,Clutch pressure: clutch 2-Data,STAMP,Clutch status-Data,STAMP,Transmission input speed (RPM) shaft 1-Data,STAMP,Transmission input speed (RPM) shaft 2-Data,,,
    ,, %,, ,, Nm,, Nm,, bar,, bar,, bar,, bar,, ,, /min,, /min,,,
    ,1.63,24.3,1.83,d,2.03,58,0.01,37,0.21,6.311,0.40,5.830,0.60,2.80,0.80,0.01,1.01,Creeping,1.23,0,1.45,0,,,
    ,3.85,37.3,4.05,d,4.26,123,2.25,115,2.46,6.311,2.64,5.830,2.83,4.22,3.04,0.00,3.24,Start up,3.46,1090,3.65,724,,,
    ,6.26,49.0,6.51,d,6.76,186,4.51,156,4.77,6.311,5.00,5.830,5.21,2.14,5.40,4.29,5.60,Driving,5.80,1625,6.01,1547,,,
    ,8.65,59.2,8.85,d,9.05,216,6.97,215,7.20,6.311,7.38,5.830,7.58,5.64,7.78,0.01,8.00,Driving,8.24,1502,8.46,2341,,,
    ,10.89,71.8,11.08,d,11.28,304,9.26,248,9.50,6.311,9.71,5.830,9.90,6.22,10.10,0.00,10.30,Driving,10.50,2028,10.71,3198,,,
    ,13.30,12.9,13.51,d,13.76,3261,11.51,333,11.78,6.311,12.02,5.830,12.27,2.72,12.50,7.54,12.71,Driving,12.89,2178,13.10,1930,,,
    This car was partially rebuilt before I got it. I set the ATF level to the correct level when I finished the repairs, but I'm now kicking myself for not draining everything out. I can't verify if it had the right fluid when I topped it off. It feels like the clutches might be slipping even though this car has less than 20K miles. I don't mind getting into the transmission, but I don't know if I should be looking at the mechatronic or clutch disks or something else entirely. Does anyone have any suggestions to narrow down the problem?

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    Any other ideas?

    Can anybody recomend values to log that can tell me if the clutches are working correctly?

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