Hi,
I'm having what I think is a transmission problem with this car. It has the DL501 (0B5) DSG transmission, and it is driving very poorly. It shudders (vibrates) very noticeably when starting or shifting in D, and it surges in both D or M.
The car is not throwing any transmission codes to help narrow the problem down. I'm hoping somebody might be able to suggest some values to log?
Steps taken so far:
1. Drained old ATF. (BTW, when draining the fluid look an odd light tan or very light green color. Can provide pictures if it helps.)
2. Re-filled with 6.25L of RAVENOL J1D2111 following the procedure for correct fluid level.
3. Did a test drive and everything seemed better, but on the next (longer) drive the problems slowly returned.
4. Followed the Basic Setting steps here http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/7-Speed_S-Tronic_Direct-Shift_Gearbox_(DSG/0B5). All 3 Basic Setting steps completed successfully, but didn't make any noticeable difference.
5. Checked for any new codes between all of these steps but it hasn't thrown any auto trans codes during the entire time.
Auto-Scan:
Advanced Transmission ID:
I also tried logging some things that looked like they might be helpful, but I could really use some guidance here:
This car was partially rebuilt before I got it. I set the ATF level to the correct level when I finished the repairs, but I'm now kicking myself for not draining everything out. I can't verify if it had the right fluid when I topped it off. It feels like the clutches might be slipping even though this car has less than 20K miles. I don't mind getting into the transmission, but I don't know if I should be looking at the mechatronic or clutch disks or something else entirely. Does anyone have any suggestions to narrow down the problem?
I'm having what I think is a transmission problem with this car. It has the DL501 (0B5) DSG transmission, and it is driving very poorly. It shudders (vibrates) very noticeably when starting or shifting in D, and it surges in both D or M.
The car is not throwing any transmission codes to help narrow the problem down. I'm hoping somebody might be able to suggest some values to log?
Steps taken so far:
1. Drained old ATF. (BTW, when draining the fluid look an odd light tan or very light green color. Can provide pictures if it helps.)
2. Re-filled with 6.25L of RAVENOL J1D2111 following the procedure for correct fluid level.
3. Did a test drive and everything seemed better, but on the next (longer) drive the problems slowly returned.
4. Followed the Basic Setting steps here http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/7-Speed_S-Tronic_Direct-Shift_Gearbox_(DSG/0B5). All 3 Basic Setting steps completed successfully, but didn't make any noticeable difference.
5. Checked for any new codes between all of these steps but it hasn't thrown any auto trans codes during the entire time.
Auto-Scan:
Code:
Saturday,03,September,2016,13:35:56:62027
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 16.8.0.3 (x64)
Data version: 20160803 DS255
www.Ross-Tech.com
VIN: WAUBGAFL9DA113356 License Plate:
Mileage: 31970km-19865mi Repair Order:
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Chassis Type: FL (8R0)
Scan: 01 02 03 05 08 09 15 16 17 19 22 36 42 44 46 47 52 53 56 5F
62 6C 72 A9
VIN: WAUBGAFL9DA113356 Mileage: 31970km-19865miles
01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
22-AWD -- Status: OK 0000
36-Seat Mem. Drvr -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
6C-Back-up Cam. -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
A9-Struct. Borne Sound -- Status: OK 0000
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (J623-CGXC) Labels: 06E-907-551-CGW.clb
Part No SW: 8K5 907 551 E HW: 4G0 907 551 A
Component: 3.0l V6 TFSIH07 0002
Revision: --H07---
Coding: 0A250034052600060000
Shop #: WSC 06208 123 12345
ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM30TFS0218K5907551E 001002
ROD: EV_ECM30TFS0218K5907551E.rod
VCID: 3875C55783A1C08258-806C
No fault code found.
Readiness: 0010 0100
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Address 02: Auto Trans (J217) Labels: 0B5-927-156.clb
Part No SW: 8K2 927 156 M HW: 0B5 927 156 J
Component: 0B5 30TFSINAR H01 0004
Revision: --H01---
Coding: 000001
Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMDL501021 001010
ROD: EV_TCMDL501021_AU48.rod
VCID: 4085ADB7DB718842E0-8014
No fault code found.
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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104) Labels: 8K0-907-379-V1.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 907 379 CK HW: 8K0 907 379 CK
Component: ESP8 quattro H09 0100
Revision: -------- Serial number: --------------
Coding: 291D1A
Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
VCID: 040D61A787E9546284-8050
No fault code found.
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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J393) Labels: 8K0-907-064-05.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 GM HW: 8K0 907 064 FM
Component: BCM2 2.0 H11 0621
Revision: 00002001
Coding: 0D814000000000000000
Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
VCID: 010368B398FB414AAF-8054
Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 905 852 E HW: 8K0 905 852 E
Component: J764 ELV MLB H40 0046
Serial number: 2312000161098009
No fault code found.
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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255) Labels: Redir Fail!
Part No SW: 8K1 820 043 T HW: 8K1 820 043 T
Component: KLIMA 3 ZONEN H04 0121
Revision: C1000000 Serial number: 01310720120951
Coding: 6600228000
Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
VCID: 3973C053B0ABD98AA7-806C
No fault code found.
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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519) Labels: 8K0-907-063.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 907 063 DH HW: 8K0 907 063 DH
Component: BCM1 1.0 H16 0103
Revision: 08016001 Serial number: 00000454639701
Coding: 26000011863CAFE0210040C300003D0D4F9CD308A2090221000008004000030100000030000000
Shop #: WSC 06325 123 12345
VCID: 78F50557CB21008298-802C
Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K1 955 119 A HW: 8T1 955 119 Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
Component: WWS 260712 H07 0080
Serial number: SWF12070265290
Coding: 00FD11
Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8U0 955 559 B HW: 8U0 955 559 B Labels: 8U0-955-559.CLB
Component: G397_RLFS H06 0002
Serial number: 20458214
Coding: 02005D
Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8K0 941 531 AS HW: 8K0 941 531 AS
Component: E1 - LDS H03 0031
Serial number: 00000000001207120515
Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 4G0 907 410 A HW: 4H0 907 410 A
Component: USHL4.2 H30 0030
Serial number: 0000002274555R2D5Q02
Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: 4H0 907 658 HW: 4H0 907 658
Component: AQ_Hum_Sensor H03 0003
Serial number: C408CD36000000000001
1 Fault Found:
00978 - Lamp for Low Beam; Left (M29)
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 47
Mileage: 31929 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2016.08.10
Time: 23:37:29
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Address 15: Airbags (J234) Labels: 8K0-959-655.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 959 655 P HW: 8K0 959 655 P
Component: AirbagVW-AU10 H45 0610
Serial number: 003KJD90H8TW
Coding: 303842354730303030304A55304C384B3053
Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaECUVWAUDI010 003010
ROD: EV_AirbaECUVWAUDI010_AU48.rod
VCID: 4A918F9FED4D42123E-801E
Seat occupied recognition:
Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 339 C HW: 8K0 959 339 C
Component: BF-Gewichtss. H02 0040
Serial number: 5810000R1200009NB5
Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side:
Serial number: 6334MSME70124B3EF
Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side:
Serial number: 6344MSME6F652835O
Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side:
Serial number: 6352QSME721F5448N
Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side:
Serial number: 6362QSME7E1A0968X
Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side:
Serial number: 63732SME111B4774Z
Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side:
Serial number: 63832SME0A092D00Y
No fault code found.
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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527) Labels: 8K0-953-568.clb
Part No SW: 8R0 953 568 S HW: 8R0 953 568 S
Component: Lenks.Modul H07 0171
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 20120801000928
Coding: 000036
Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
VCID: 51A398F3081B71CA7F-8004
Component: E221 - MFL H03 0003
No fault code found.
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Address 17: Instruments (J285) Labels: 8T0-920-xxx-17.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 920 982 L HW: 8K0 920 982 L
Component: KOMBIINSTR. H35 0553
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: RBN337V7D
Coding: 83BF09008301D705020000
Shop #: WSC 54321 321 11111
VCID: 3D7BD443A483E5AA8B-8068
No fault code found.
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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533) Labels: 8T0-907-468.clb
Part No SW: 8R0 907 468 H HW: 8R0 907 468 C
Component: GW-BEM 4CAN-M H11 0051
Revision: 1Y050025 Serial number: 2541Y1271881D6
Coding: 80C303FF00
Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
VCID: 448DA1A7C7699462C4-8010
Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8T0 915 181 HW: 8T0 915 181
Component: J367-BDMHella H03 8041
Serial number: 6083707801
No fault code found.
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Address 22: AWD (J492) Labels: 8K0-907-163.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 907 163 B HW: 8K0 907 163 A
Component: 4 Wheel Drive H13 0100
Serial number: 002007120001007
ASAM Dataset: EV_AllWheelDiffeQSPCAN 003019
ROD: EV_AllWheelDiffeQSPCAN.rod
VCID: 2F67FE0B76EF073A09-807A
No fault code found.
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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr (J136) Labels: 8T0-959-760.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 959 760 D HW: 8K0 959 760 D
Component: MEM-FS H06 0076
Revision: AA000000 Serial number: 00000034264172
Coding: 00581B00000000000000
Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
VCID: 3B7FDA5BBA97EB9AB5-806E
No fault code found.
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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386) Labels: 8K0-959-793.clb
Part No SW: 8T0 959 793 P HW: 8T0 959 793 G
Component: TSG FA H09 0304
Revision: -------- Serial number: --------------
Coding: 011C13204E00410001
Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
VCID: 56A96BEF21F516F2AA-8002
No fault code found.
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Address 44: Steering Assist (J500) Labels: 8K0-909-144.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 909 144 F HW: 8K0 909 144 B
Component: RCEPS H37 0507
Revision: 00001000 Serial number: 0003459682
Coding: 100000010001
Shop #: WSC 55474 001 1048576
ASAM Dataset: EV_RCEPSAU48X 008014
ROD: EV_RCEPSAU48X.rod
VCID: 346DF1679FC924E274-8060
No fault code found.
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Address 46: Central Conv. (J393) Labels: 8K0-907-064-46.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 GM HW: 8K0 907 064 FM
Component: BCM2 2.0 H11 0621
Revision: 00002001 Serial number: 0180938853
Coding: 01060E3A00FA400580B0013200000000
Shop #: WSC 55474 001 104857
VCID: 010368B398FB414AAF-8054
Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 719 B HW: 8K0 959 719
Component: GTO BF H01 0080
Serial number: 00000000000000550813
Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
Component: LIN BACKUP HO H05 1501
Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 591 B HW: 8K0 959 591
Component: J245 PS050 H08 0043
No fault code found.
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Address 47: Sound System (J525) Labels: 8T0-035-223-BOM.clb
Part No SW: 8T1 035 223 A HW: 8T1 035 223 A
Component: DSP Prem H05 0030
Revision: 00005001 Serial number: 94813004952302
VCID: 2D5BE40374E3752A3B-8078
No fault code found.
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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387) Labels: 8K0-959-792.clb
Part No SW: 8T0 959 792 P HW: 8T0 959 792 G
Component: TSG BF H09 0304
Revision: -------- Serial number: --------------
Coding: 011C13204E00410001
Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
VCID: 55AB6CE33CF31DEAA3-8000
No fault code found.
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Address 53: Parking Brake (----) Labels: 8K0-907-801-V2.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 907 801 L HW: 8K0 907 801 J
Component: EPB-4 H01 0003
Revision: -------- Serial number: 10000000077285
ASAM Dataset: EV_ParkiBrake 001027
ROD: EV_ParkiBrake_VW51.rod
VCID: 3875C55783A1C08258-806C
No fault code found.
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Address 56: Radio (R) Labels: Redir Fail!
Part No SW: 4G0 035 082 D HW: 4G0 035 082
Component: Radio U SIRIU H60 0112
Revision: AB001007 Serial number: 156G00C7619481
Coding: 020007010000000001
Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
VCID: 21430833383BA14A8F-8074
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794) Labels: 4E0-035-6xx-5F.clb
Part No SW: 8R1 035 746 B HW: 8R1 035 746 B
Component: H-BNT-NA H43 0552
Revision: -------- Serial number: 204GX0C7514384
Coding: 110200000206E1EF45028F4E00000403140000000000000000
Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
VCID: 3669CB6F81B536F24A-8062
Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8R0 060 884 AM
Component: NAR 2012 0605
Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8R0 919 604 HW: 8R0 919 604
Component: DU7 High H41 0104
Serial number: A130G-0C2508877
Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8T0 919 611 C HW: 8T0 919 611 C
Component: E0380 Bedient H02 0020
Serial number: 00000001122586
Subsystem 4 - Part No: 8R0 060 961 D
Component: CD-Database 4353
No fault code found.
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Address 62: Door, Rear Left (J388) Labels: 8K0-959-795.clb
Part No SW: 8T0 959 795 Q HW: 8T0 959 795 H
Component: TSG HL H07 0304
Revision: -------- Serial number: --------------
Coding: 010C13204000210001
Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
VCID: 59B360D350EB398A87-800C
No fault code found.
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Address 6C: Back-up Cam. Labels: 8T0-907-441.clb
Part No SW: 8T0 907 441 C HW: 4L0 907 441 B
Component: J772__Rearview 0040
Revision: --H07--- Serial number: 525PA8-J2690SQ
Coding: 1000006
Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
VCID: 3875C5574BA1C08258-806C
No fault code found.
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Address 72: Door, Rear Right (J389) Labels: 8K0-959-794.clb
Part No SW: 8T0 959 795 Q HW: 8T0 959 795 H
Component: TSG HR H07 0304
Revision: -------- Serial number: --------------
Coding: 010C13204000210001
Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
VCID: 59B360D350EB398A87-800C
No fault code found.
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Address A9: Struct. Borne Sound (J869) Labels: 4H0-907-159.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 907 159 HW: 4H0 907 159 A
Component: SAS-GEN 2 H06 0005
Serial number: 120623201651
ASAM Dataset: EV_SoundActuaGen2AU64X 002005
ROD: EV_SoundActuaGen2AU64X.rod
VCID: 72E1377FA55D6AD2A6-8026
No fault code found.
End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 04:00)--------------------------
Advanced Transmission ID:
Code:
Saturday,20,August,2016,11:54:28:62027
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 16.8.0.3 (x64)
Data version: 20160803 DS255
www.Ross-Tech.com
VIN: WAUBGAFL9DA113356 License Plate:
Mileage: TransAdvId Repair Order:
Address 02: Auto Trans
Control Module Part Number: 8K2 927 156 M
Component and/or Version: 0B5 30TFSINAR H01 0004
Software Coding: 000001
Work Shop Code: WSC 06325
VCID: 4085ADB7DB718842E0-8014
Advanced Identification/FAZIT
Identification: TFK-030
Revision: --H01---
Date: 05.07.12
Manufacturer number: 0901
Test stand number: 1321
Flash Status
Programming Attempts(application): 1/1
Successful Attempts(application): 1/1
Programming Status: 00000000
Flash Date: 05.12.08
Flash Date: 0000.00.00
Flash Tool Code: 00000 000 00000
Software
UDS: 02.00.03
ISO15765: 02.00.01
CAN: 02.14.02
HiSpd Net: 01.06.00
Misc.
Hardware number: 0B5 927 156 J
Workshop System Name: J217
ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMDL501021
ASAM Dataset Revision: 001010
Car Info
Chassis Number: WAUBGAFL9DA113356
VCDS Info:
VCID: 4085ADB7DB718842E0-8014
Labels: 0B5-927-156.clb
ROD: EV_TCMDL501021_AU48.rod
I also tried logging some things that looked like they might be helpful, but I could really use some guidance here:
Code:
Monday,05,September,2016,14:49:13:62027-VCID:4085ADB7DB718842E0-8014,VCDS Version: Release 16.8.0 (x64),Data version: 20160803 DS255
8K2 927 156 M,ADVMB,0B5 30TFSINAR H01 0004,
,,G016,F0,G036,F0,G037,F0,G038,F0,G053,F0,G055,F0,G069,F0,G070,F0,G071,F0,G072,F0,G073,F0,G000,F0,
Marker,TIME,Loc. IDE00085,TIME,Loc. IDE00098,TIME,Loc. IDE00100-ENG98502,TIME,Loc. IDE00101-ENG98502,TIME,Loc. IDE00854-ENG98502,TIME,Loc. IDE00856-ENG98502,TIME,Loc. IDE00876-ENG98502,TIME,Loc. IDE00877-ENG98502,TIME,Loc. IDE00878-ENG98502,TIME,Loc. IDE02720-ENG98502,TIME,Loc. IDE02721-ENG98502,,,
,STAMP,Normed load value,STAMP,Transmission position,STAMP,Engine torque-Data,STAMP,Engine specified torque during transmission intervention-Data,STAMP,Clutch 1 upper adaptation point-Data,STAMP,Clutch 2 upper adaptation point-Data,STAMP,Clutch pressure: clutch 1-Data,STAMP,Clutch pressure: clutch 2-Data,STAMP,Clutch status-Data,STAMP,Transmission input speed (RPM) shaft 1-Data,STAMP,Transmission input speed (RPM) shaft 2-Data,,,
,, %,, ,, Nm,, Nm,, bar,, bar,, bar,, bar,, ,, /min,, /min,,,
,1.63,24.3,1.83,d,2.03,58,0.01,37,0.21,6.311,0.40,5.830,0.60,2.80,0.80,0.01,1.01,Creeping,1.23,0,1.45,0,,,
,3.85,37.3,4.05,d,4.26,123,2.25,115,2.46,6.311,2.64,5.830,2.83,4.22,3.04,0.00,3.24,Start up,3.46,1090,3.65,724,,,
,6.26,49.0,6.51,d,6.76,186,4.51,156,4.77,6.311,5.00,5.830,5.21,2.14,5.40,4.29,5.60,Driving,5.80,1625,6.01,1547,,,
,8.65,59.2,8.85,d,9.05,216,6.97,215,7.20,6.311,7.38,5.830,7.58,5.64,7.78,0.01,8.00,Driving,8.24,1502,8.46,2341,,,
,10.89,71.8,11.08,d,11.28,304,9.26,248,9.50,6.311,9.71,5.830,9.90,6.22,10.10,0.00,10.30,Driving,10.50,2028,10.71,3198,,,
,13.30,12.9,13.51,d,13.76,3261,11.51,333,11.78,6.311,12.02,5.830,12.27,2.72,12.50,7.54,12.71,Driving,12.89,2178,13.10,1930,,,
This car was partially rebuilt before I got it. I set the ATF level to the correct level when I finished the repairs, but I'm now kicking myself for not draining everything out. I can't verify if it had the right fluid when I topped it off. It feels like the clutches might be slipping even though this car has less than 20K miles. I don't mind getting into the transmission, but I don't know if I should be looking at the mechatronic or clutch disks or something else entirely. Does anyone have any suggestions to narrow down the problem?