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    Medical technology - is society doomed?

    Background - Homey hasn't been feeling great for a few weeks, so I went to see my doctor yesterday morning. Homey's chosen primary care doctor is about as far off the grid as possible, using tools like blood pressure cuffs with stethoscopes and actual glass thermometers. Homey likes being off the grid with his medical records. Anyway, my doctor didn't like something found during the exam, and sent me off to the local hospital's ER with a "stat" test order and having called ahead to reserve a table for one and brief the ER doctor.

    Before they take you to the ER, they have a screening room where they pull incoming vitals...probably for legal documentation for than diagnosis. The tech put the electronic blood pressure cuff on my arm, and I told her that she was wasting her time because the machine would not be able to read my pressure due to known conditions. After 5 minutes of inflate/deflate with no readings, she changed cuffs...then changed arms...then changed machines. Last time that I went through this, I was hospitalized for 11 days because the number it finally got a lock on was high enough to only give me 10 minutes to live. This time, I laughed it off, and even mentioned to the tech at one point that all of her technology was useless on me since I am from another planet. (I have a *very* weak heart function and low blood pressure/circulation, and the machines can't lock onto my pulse.) OK, so she charted that the patient has no measurable blood pressure, and moves onto the next test. Out comes the digital thermometer. I told her that she was again wasting her time, since my oral temperature is lower than the minimum range threshold for those machines. Two different cart machines and a portable electronic thermometer later, she charted that the patient had no measurable temperature and finally led me into the ER.

    TL;DR - The ER staff repeated this same fiasco for the next 20 minutes using the same brand/model machines. If I wasn't conscious and talking to them, I probably would have wound up in the morgue based on their lack of readings!

    When I finally got to see the ER doctor and (male) nurse, I asked if they had an old-school blood pressure cuff and liquid thermometer available. Believe it or not, there isn't one of either in the entire ER department!

    Long story short, the people providing health care in our hospitals are mindless sponge-minions, enslaved by electronics and incapable of performing even the simplest medical tasks without technology. If something like a solar flare were to wipe out all electronics, our neighborhood hospital would not even be capable of diagnosing a fever because they wouldn't even have a working thermometer. Just something to keep in mind when stockpiling your bunker with survival essentials, because society is doomed from what I saw yesterday.

    Oh, and to add insult to injury - I was asked by *four* different medical records people to confirm my pharmacy as part of the check-in process. The ER doctor sent an e-prescription to my pharmacy...but they never received it! So, I have to go to my regular doctor today to find out what the prescription was for and re-send it. New Yorkistan has decided that paper prescription pads are no longer permitted for most medications, so you also can't get medicines without filing electronically!!!!!

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    Art I agree............ mechanical old school devices have a place for sure........

    GFF for hospital's...........just look how well it works in dealerships.
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    Did the people use a keyboard like this to check you in?


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    Hey that's from our favorite movie Art Idiocracy.........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post
    Did the people use a keyboard like this to check you in?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack@European_Parts View Post
    Hey that's from our favorite movie Art Idiocracy.........
    Believe me Jack, I recognized that keyboard right away.....

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    The engineering problems are likely insurmountable. It would be like proposing to land a rocket booster section on a barge floating in the middle of the ocean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack@European_Parts View Post
    GFF for hospital's...........just look how well it works in dealerships.
    THIS sums it up the best.....

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    As someone who fixes and verifies these devices, I can tell you now - it's a lot like VCDS... (Jack will like this!)

    ...the devices are a TOOL, and you STILL need a user who knows what they are doing! It's not going to fix the problem FOR you!

    For convenience, the electronic BP units (of reputable, repeatable quality and brands) are faster and take out some human error factor. However, concerns should be verified using old school methods, if the user isn't happy. Our ED mostly uses electronic units, but there are manual sphygmomanometers available.

    It also worth noting, that the small BP devices available at pharmacies, are usually wildly inaccurate, and shouldn't be used for diagnostic purposes!

    These things have their place, but clearly on YOUR arm isn't one of them :-)

    It DOES scare me that medical professionals may come to rely so heavily on technology, that they don't really keep their skills honed!

    I wonder if you situation is related to legal issues and patient record storage etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NZDubNurd View Post
    It also worth noting, that the small BP devices available at pharmacies, are usually wildly inaccurate, and shouldn't be used for diagnostic purposes!
    Hmm... My wife has a small electronic one. She has mildly high BP, easily brought down to 'normal' levels with a light dose of meds. She uses it fairly regularly to monitor the effectiveness of the meds. When she visits the doctor's office, the same one for 30+ years now, where they still use a manual sphygmomanometer, the numbers they record on her chart are very much in line with the ones she gets from the electronic gizmo.

    I bet the ER Art went to has manual backup instruments. But whether anyone there actually knows where they are or how to use them, well, that's another question.
    The engineering problems are likely insurmountable. It would be like proposing to land a rocket booster section on a barge floating in the middle of the ocean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NZDubNurd View Post
    However, concerns should be verified using old school methods, if the user isn't happy. Our ED mostly uses electronic units, but there are manual sphygmomanometers available.
    Be honest, the blood pressure monitor name was coined by Homer Simpson right?


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