VW CRAFTER (2E) 2.5 DPF ISSUES P2463

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New to the forums, working on a vw crafter 2.5 diesel. vehicle came in with a blocked dpf and no throttle response well next to nothing if you hold the throttle wide open it will take like half a minute to rise to 2500 rpm ,after replacing the dpf and running the engine still had a dpf fault and light on. after a phone call to ross tech support they were brilliant gave us the security code to access channel 15 to reset the oil ash volume and channel 16 which is carbon mass reset. resetting these turned the dpf light off and the glow plug stopped flashing and allowed us to clear the code that is in the auto scan provided below. after running the engine the measuring blocks MVB108 started to rise and the dpf light came back and the code returned. any help would be greatly appreciated and any other things you need to help with this just ask

Code: 
Friday,29,July,2016,15:59:24:44324
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator
VCDS Version: 14.10.0.0 (x64)
Data version: 20141022


VIN: WV1ZZZ2EZB6003250   License Plate: CRAFTER



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Chassis Type: 2E (2E - VW Crafter (LT3 / 2006 >))
Scan: 01 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 9A 9B 9C 9D 9E 9F A0 A1 A2 A3
          B0 B1 B2 B3 B4 B5 B6 C1
 
VIN: WV1ZZZ2EZB6003250   
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Address 01: Engine (CEC)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 076 906 022 P    HW: 076 906 022 G
   Component: R5 2,5L EDC A020SG  9022  
   Revision: 24H34---    Serial number: VWXDZ0J1014828
   Coding: 0003072
   Shop #: WSC 00001 067 57207
   VCID: 20486A65F06EC7214FB-512E

1 Fault Found:
009315 - Diesel Particle Filter 
               P2463 - 000 - Excessive Soot Accumulation
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Time Indication: 0

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 735 /min
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Pressure: 10 mbar
                    Hex Value: 0xFF00
                    Temperature: 132.0°C
                    (no units): 10.2
                    Mileage: 20 km

Readiness: 0 2 0 0 1 

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Address 91: LT3 Engine        Labels: None
   Part No SW: 076 906 022 P    HW: 076 906 022 G
   Component: R5 2,5L EDC A020SG  9022  
   Revision: 24H34---    Serial number: VWXDZ0J1014828
   Coding: 0003072
   Shop #: WSC 00001 067 57207
   VCID: 20486A65F36EC7214FB-8075

1 Fault Found:
009315 - Diesel Particle Filter 
               P2463 - 000 - Excessive Soot Accumulation
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Time Indication: 0

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 735 /min
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Pressure: 10 mbar
                    Hex Value: 0xFF00
                    Temperature: 132.0°C
                    (no units): 10.2
                    Mileage: 20 km


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Address 93: LT3 Immo        Labels: 2E0-905-865-93.clb
   Part No SW: 2E0 905 865 AD    HW: 906 545 580 8
   Component: IMMO          0805  0815  
   Revision: 00805000    Serial number: VWXDZ0J1014828
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 6DD64351743CDA49B4D-8038

1 Fault Found:
01336 - Company Data Bus for Comfort System 
            014 - Defective - Intermittent

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Address 94: LT3 Airbag        Labels: None
   Part No HW: 9064461442
   Shop #: WSC 00117 555 00000
   ASAM Dataset: 3 3332
   ROD: CRFT_AB_3_3332.rod (*)
   VCID: 55A60BB134AC72896CD-8000

No fault code found.

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Address 95: LT3 ESP        Labels: None
   Part No SW: 9069022800    HW: 0004460153
   Shop #: WSC 00117 555 00000
   ASAM Dataset: 3 4101
   ROD: CRFT_ESP_3_4101.rod (*)
   VCID: 040006F58FB63B014B3-8051

No fault code found.

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Address 96: LT3 Instruments        Labels: None
   Part No SW: 9069026400    HW: 9069012000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: 32 787
   ROD: CRFT_KOMBI_32_787.rod (*)
   VCID: 040006F58FB63B014B3-8051

No fault code found.

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Address 99: LT3 Ign. Switch        Labels: None
   Part No HW: 9065455808
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: 67 257
   ROD: CRFT_EZS_67_257.rod (*)
   VCID: 55A60BB134AC72896CD-8000

No fault code found.

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Address 9A: LT3 Central Locks        Labels: 2E0-905-865-9A.clb
   Part No SW: 2E0 905 865 AD    HW: 906 545 580 8
   Component: HF-FFB        0805  0815  
   Revision: 00805000    Serial number: 12345678901234
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 6DD64351743CDA49B4D-8038

1 Fault Found:
00172 - Key 2 not learned 
            000 -  -  - Intermittent

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Address 9B: LT3 Driver Door        Labels: None
   Part No HW: 9068204126
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: 33 773
   ROD: CRFT_FTUHR_33_773.rod (*)
   VCID: 55A60BB134AC72896CD-8000

No fault code found.

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Address 9C: LT3 HVAC        Labels: None
   Part No SW: 2514450200    HW: 9068301085
   ASAM Dataset: 21 2
   ROD: CRFT_KLIMA_21_2.rod (*)
   VCID: 77FA6139CE6060995E1-8022

No fault code found.

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Address B1: LT3 Upper Console        Labels: None
   Part No HW: 9065454107
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: 67 3
   ROD: CRFT1_OBF_67_3.rod (*)
   VCID: 55A60BB134AC72896CD-8000

1 Fault Found:
9036 - Supply voltage: Limit value exceeded 
            Test Complete - Stored

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Address B4: LT3 Central Elec.        Labels: None
   Part No SW: 9064420700    HW: 9065453801
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: 33 772
   ROD: CRFT_EZE_33_772.rod (*)
   VCID: 55A60BB134AC72896CD-8000

3 Faults Found:
90C2 - Emergency light activated; for rotary light switch evaluation: voltage not correct 
            Test Complete - Stored
900A - Bulb for right low beam headlamp (M31): Short to Plus 
            Test Complete - Active/Stored
909F - Brake Pad Wear Sensor (G34): Open circuit 
            Test Complete - Stored

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Address B6: LT3 Steering Wheel        Labels: None
   Part No SW: 9065402345    HW: 9065402345
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: 72 257
   ROD: CRFT_SML_72_257.rod (*)
   VCID: 06041CFDB98A0911557-8053

No fault code found.

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 02:59)--------------------------
 
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After trying to force a regen with the vcds i failed so back to th drawing board we tried with the verus again and still failed to regen.
Done some research about dpf systems and finding our how to pcm calculates soot in the dpf i found that it doesnt just use the differential pressure sensor it also uses exhaust tempreture probes obviously if the before is hotter then the after there is a restriction it uses the llambda to control post injection quantities i assume and also the MAF sensor

So when looking at my live data using the verus i had a data parameter for desired air mass and actual air mads both reading in mg per second, the desired was at 450 mg/s and the actual at 110mg/s obviously this was brought to my attention so graphed these two and raised my rpm even though it would hardly rev , my actual dropped gradually to 20 mg / s, obviously this was a problem so i unplugged the MAF while it was running and still reading the parameters , by doing this the pcm was forced to substitute a value obvioisly this value isnt going to be correct it was actually 300mg/s at idle and stayed around 200 below the desired as i raised the rpm. As soon as i reved the engine with the MAF disconnected it was noticeably better and after re adapting the carbon mass and oil ash volume and re running the engine both did not raise and the p2463 code did not return, obviously i set a MAF code and she is now in limp mode as MAF is a critical sensor but this proved it was the issue and the unplug it test is awfully handy on vehiclrs that allow them to substitute a value.

After replacing the MAF and clearing all codes it allowed us to do a force regen and full power was returned to the vehicle

Hope this helps people
 
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What was the security access code?

Thanks for a great write up.
 
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Also my new HEX-NET is apparently NOT compatible, yet the old one is. Grrrrrrrr !!!!
 
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1KLEMtech said:
Also my new HEX-NET is apparently NOT compatible, yet the old one is. Grrrrrrrr !!!!
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It might help if you use the latest version of VCDS 17.1.3 or even the beta 17.6.0 instead a really old version...
VCDS Version: 14.10.0.0 (x64)
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1KLEMtech said:
Also my new HEX-NET is apparently NOT compatible, yet the old one is. Grrrrrrrr !!!!
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The HEX-NET works with LT3 Crafter as of VCDS version 17.5.1 (and HEX-NET CodeBlock v0.4341 or higher).

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I’ve recently replaced the DPF on my neighbour’s 2010 Crafter, fitted with the 5-cylinder, 2.5 litre common-rail engine. I’m trying to reset the learned values of the particle filter, but it seems the Crafter/LT3 requires a different method than other VW Group cars, which is usefully detailed on the Ross-Tech website http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/inde...on_of_Carbon_Mass_.28after_DPF_Replacement.29.

When you access the Engine control module on the Crafter, the [Adaption - 10] option isn’t available only the Long Adaption option.

After reading the first post on this thread, I’m guessing that I need to reset the values on channels 15 and 16 through the Long Adaption option? Are the security codes to do this listed anywhere on the site?

VCDS is a fantastic product I’ve been using for many years, recently I’ve upgraded to a HEX-NET cable which allows me to access the LT3 tab on the Select Control Module screen. My old HEX-USB cable doesn’t bring this option up. https://www.ross-tech.com/vcds/tour/LT3.php

Many thanks,
Neil
 
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orangeZA said:
I’ve recently replaced the DPF on my neighbour’s 2010 Crafter, fitted with the 5-cylinder, 2.5 litre common-rail engine. I’m trying to reset the learned values of the particle filter, but it seems the Crafter/LT3 requires a different method than other VW Group cars, which is usefully detailed on the Ross-Tech website http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/inde...on_of_Carbon_Mass_.28after_DPF_Replacement.29.

When you access the Engine control module on the Crafter, the [Adaption - 10] option isn’t available only the Long Adaption option.

After reading the first post on this thread, I’m guessing that I need to reset the values on channels 15 and 16 through the Long Adaption option? Are the security codes to do this listed anywhere on the site?
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Hi and welcome. Please post an Auto-Scan so people can see exactly what ECU this van has.

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Thanks for the welcome. Here is a copy of the Auto-Scan from my neighbour's Crafter Chassis Cab, VW Type 2F.

Code: 
Friday,04,October,2019,17:53:32:55732
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64
VCDS Version: 19.6.2.0 (x64)  HEX-NET CB: 0.4508.4
Data version: 20190930 DS308.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WV1ZZZ2FZB7002966   License Plate: 


Chassis Type: 2F (2F - VW Crafter Chassis Cab (LT3 / 2006 > 2016))
Scan: 01 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 9A 9B 9C 9D 9E 9F A0 A1 A2 A3
          B0 B1 B2 B3 B4 B5 B6 C1
 
VIN: WV1ZZZ2FZB7002966   
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Address 91: LT3 Engine        Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 076 906 022 Q    HW: 076 906 022 G
   Component: R5 2,5L EDC A020SG  7729  
   Revision: 24H37---    Serial number: VWXDZ0J1027397
   Coding: 0003032
   Shop #: WSC 00873 210 175166
   VCID: 210A02D4F8105E4788-8074

No fault code found.

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Address 93: LT3 Immo        Labels: 2E0-905-865-93.clb
   Part No SW: 2E0 905 865 AD    HW: 906 545 580 8
   Component: IMMO          0805  0815  
   Revision: 00805000    Serial number: VWXDZ0J1027397
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 6D922EE474484A277C-8038

1 Fault Found:
01336 - Company Data Bus for Comfort System 
            014 - Defective - Intermittent

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Address 94: LT3 Airbag 
   Part No HW: 9069005701
   Shop #: WSC 00000 288 13843
   ASAM Dataset: 3 3332
   ROD: CRFT_AB_3_3331.rod (*)
   VCID: 55E2660434D8E2E7A4-8000

1 Fault Found:
9003 - Supply voltage: Lower limit not reached 
            Test Complete - Stored

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Address 95: LT3 ESP 
   Part No SW: 9069022800    HW: 0004460153
   Shop #: WSC 00118 555 00000
   ASAM Dataset: 3 4101
   ROD: CRFT_ESP_3_36946.rod (*)
   VCID: 04446B408FC2AB6F83-8050

1 Fault Found:
44A8 - Rear Left ABS wheel speed sensor (G46): air gap too large 
            MIL ON - Test Complete - Stored

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Address 96: LT3 Instruments 
   Part No SW: 9069026400    HW: 9069012000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: 32 787
   ROD: CRFT_KOMBI_32_787.rod
   VCID: 04446B408FC2AB6F83-8050

No fault code found.

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Address 99: LT3 Ign. Switch 
   Part No HW: 9065455808
   Shop #: WSC 00000 288 13843
   ASAM Dataset: 67 257
   ROD: CRFT_EZS_67_257.rod (*)
   VCID: 55E2660434D8E2E7A4-8000

1 Fault Found:
9001 - Voltage: Lower limit not reached 
            Test Complete - Stored

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Address 9A: LT3 Central Locks        Labels: 2E0-905-865-9A.clb
   Part No SW: 2E0 905 865 AD    HW: 906 545 580 8
   Component: HF-FFB        0805  0815  
   Revision: 00805000    Serial number: 12345678901234
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 6D922EE474484A277C-8038

2 Faults Found:
00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30 
            001 - Upper Limit Exceeded
00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30 
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded

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Address 9B: LT3 Driver Door 
   Part No HW: 9068204126
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: 33 773
   ROD: CRFT_FTUHR_33_773.rod (*)
   VCID: 55E2660434D8E2E7A4-8000

No fault code found.

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Address B0: LT3 Roof Display 
   Part No SW: 9069021000    HW: 9069010900
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: 21 3
   ROD: CRFT_DBE_21_3.rod (*)
   VCID: 7BB610BCF23CD497F2-802E

1 Fault Found:
909B - Alarm Horn (H12): No communication 
            Test Complete - Active/Stored

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Address B3: LT3 Trailer Module 
   Part No HW: 1695455632
   ASAM Dataset: 21 4
   ROD: CRFT_TRL_21_4.rod (*)
   VCID: 55E2660434D8E2E7A4-8000

2 Faults Found:
9009 - Terminal 30; voltage: Upper limit exceeded 
            Test Complete - Stored
9010 - Terminal 30; voltage: Lower limit not reached 
            Test Complete - Stored

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Address B4: LT3 Central Elec. 
   Part No SW: 9069027500    HW: 9069011300
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: 33 292
   ROD: CRFT_EZE_33_292.rod (*)
   VCID: 06407148B9FE997F9D-8052

3 Faults Found:
909F - Brake Pad Wear Sensor (G34): Open circuit 
            Test Complete - Stored
90A1 - Engine Coolant Level (ECL) Sensor (G32): Short to Plus 
            Test Complete - Stored
90C2 - Emergency light activated; for rotary light switch evaluation: voltage not correct 
            Test Complete - Stored

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Address B6: LT3 Steering Wheel 
   Part No SW: 9065402345    HW: 9065402345
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: 72 257
   ROD: CRFT_SML_72_257.rod (*)
   VCID: 06407148B9FE997F9D-8052

1 Fault Found:
9346 - CAN databus diagnostic: No communication with instrument cluster 
            Test Complete - Stored

End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:18, VBatt start/end: 12.5V/12.6V)-----------
 
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If you've installed a new DPF, you should go to Adaptation Channel 016 and store the New Value 1 there. The stored value will return to 0 after this is done.

I think the Security Access code needed for this is: 17575

I do not think you need to do anything in Channel 015. That's for replacing the ECU and telling the new ECU how much ash an existing DPF has in it.

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That's brilliant Uwe, I'll try it tomorrow and let you know how I got on.

Many thanks,
Neil
 
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The Security Access code and storing the New Value 1 in Adaption Channel 016 worked as you suggested Uwe.

When I fired up the engine the DPF warning light on the instrument was still illuminated, but on rechecking MVB108 in Measuring Blocks it was reading:

108.1 0ml
108.2 0.0
108.3 12.0

So all seemed good.

I drove it out of the workshop and the DPF warning light on the cluster suddenly disappeared and hasn’t returned. The Crafter is pulling like a freight train once again and my neighbour is delighted, I think he was preparing to trailer it to the VW dealer 2 hours away!

Many thanks once again,
Neil
 
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