T5 Multivan Transporter MFSW retrofit... am I the only one?

r32caravelle · Jul 7, 2016

Hi,
I have a 2009 (pre-facelift) T5 Multivan Highline which has from factory (as scan below also shows) :

Code:

VCDS Version: Release 15.7.4 (x64) Running on Windows 7 x64
Data version: 20160216
www.Ross-Tech.com

Chassis Type: 7H (7H - VW Transporter/Multivan (2003 > 2010))
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 0B 0D 15 16 17 18 19 1C 22 2D 37 45 46 47 56
          57 6E 76 77 78 7D
 
VIN: WV2ZZZ7HZ9H114053   Mileage: 175830km-109255miles
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Address 01: Engine        Labels: None
   Part No SW: 022 906 032 MK    HW: 022 906 032 
   Component: T5-3.2-AQ-EU4   G   3035  
   Coding: 0001075
   Shop #: WSC 02756 000 09999
   VCID: 60C58A0AB0238D3E1E-5140

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0010 1001

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 09G-927-750.clb
   Part No SW: 09K 927 750 N    HW: 09K 927 750 N
   Component: AQ 250 6F           1397  
   Revision: 00H83000    Serial number:               
   Coding: 0000328
   Shop #: WSC 02756 790 00000
   VCID: 40856A8A10E3ED3E3E-515E

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 7H0-907-37x-ESP.lbl
   Part No SW: 7H0 907 379 R    HW: 7H0 907 379 R
   Component: ESP MK25E1          0104  
   Revision: 00H31001    
   Coding: 0002603
   Shop #: WSC 02756 790 00000
   VCID: 448D669A04FBF11E1A-5124

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No: 7H2 907 040 E
   Component: CLIMAtronic T5      4327  
   Coding: 0011020
   Shop #: WSC 02757 790 00000
   VCID: 2A512822869F076E00-5124

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7H5 907 049 F
   Component: Display_2_ClimaT5   0602

1 Fault Found:
03091 - Fan for interior temperature sensor 
            000 -  -  - Intermittent

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 7H0-937-049.lbl
   Part No: 7H0 937 049 AE
   Component: BORDNETZ SGVER 1.0  2101  
   Coding: 0001893
   Shop #: WSC 02756 790 00000
   VCID: 75EBCB5E1FA118965D-5124

1 Fault Found:
00967 - Left Turn Signals 
            011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent

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Address 0D: Slide Door, Left        Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No: 7H0 959 243 L
   Component: Schiebetuer-SG  404 0321  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 3B7F1D6679058EE66B-5140

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
   Part No: 1C0 909 605 F
   Component: 11 AIRBAG VW61 0R   0004  
   Coding: 12593
   Shop #: WSC 02756  
   VCID: 2757D116C58D3A061F-5124

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 7Hx-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No: 7H5 920 973 H
   Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRSP VDO V03  
   Coding: 05413
   Shop #: WSC 00001  
   VCID: 3A711862263FB7EE70-5124
   WV2ZZZ7HZ9H114053     VWZ7Z0H0144214

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
   Part No: 6N0 909 901 
   Component: Gateway K<->CAN    0001  
   Coding: 00006
   Shop #: WSC 02756  
   VCID: 70E5FA4A30C33DBE8E-5124

No fault code found.

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Address 45: Inter. Monitor        Labels: 7Hx-951-171.lbl
   Part No: 7H5 951 171 C
   Component: Innenraumueberw.    2917  
   Coding: 0000012
   Shop #: WSC 02757 790 00000
   VCID: 2F673936BD7D6246D7-5198

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7H5 951 178 
   Component: Innenraumueberw.    1607

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 7H0-959-433.lbl
   Part No: 7H0 959 433 B
   Component: C1W Komfortgerát     0004  
   Coding: 00030
   Shop #: WSC 02756  
   VCID: 32613042FE4F4FAEB8-4AEE

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 1K0-035-1xx-56.lbl
   Part No SW: 7H0 035 152 H    HW: 7H0 035 152 H
   Component: Radio LG3           0015  
   Revision: 00009000    Serial number: VWZCZ5H0072632
   Coding: 0040400
   Shop #: WSC 02756 790 00000
   VCID: 2757D116958D3A061F-5140

1 Fault Found:
00856 - Radio Antenna 
            011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent

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Address 76: Park Assist        Labels: 7E0-919-283.lbl
   Part No: 7E0 919 283 
   Component: Parkingsyst. T5 T5M 801  
   Coding: 01127
   Shop #: WSC 02756  
   VCID: 6CDDEE3A1CEBD95EB2-515E

No fault code found.

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Address 78: Slide Door, Right        Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No: 7H0 959 243 L
   Component: Schiebetuer-SG  404 0321  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 3B7F1D6679058EE66B-5140

No fault code found.

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Cruise Control + TRIP/MFD Function Stalks - 6Q0953503DJ
BCM Body Control module / J519 - 7H0937049AE

I want to add a MSFW - Multifunction Steering wheel [part # 7H5419091AG Original fitment upgrade for T5 - 4-Spoke MFSW with Cruise & Telephone Voice Control], for which I already have the correct BCM version to support this upgrade.

The main issue is, every thread I have seen talks about the 2010> T5.1 models and how to add MFSW to those models, for example this is the long coding options on a Polo 6r (which the newer T5.1 shares much of it's central electrics) -

My BCM coding options seem very limited on the T5, so I'm not sure what I need to do to perform this upgrade (I know it's possible as it illustrates exactly the same MFSW in the user manual, where you can for example, control the cruise control from either the MFSW or the stalk)

My BCM:

Surely, I cannot be the ONLY person to have ever retro fitted an original MFSW to a T5 ...or an equivalent VW Polo ..??

edit. don't know why pictures don't show, but you can right-click and open them.

Dutchie · Jul 7, 2016

It is possible on the 6R to retrofit a MFSW. You need to ad a LIN-bus wire, a wire for illumination, a new airbag, and steeringwheel electronics

r32caravelle · Jul 7, 2016

Yep, as you say on the newer 2010> T5.1 it is possible by adding a wire to the Lin-Bus - Ignition Live to Stalk Pin 9 & Stalk Pin 10 to BCM White Plug Pin 17..

there are quite a few posts for the Polo 6R & T5.1.. a very good one which is also applicable to the T5.1 is:

http://www.uk-polos.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=54171

**BUT** and here's the thing - I don't think this is the same procedure for the 'pre-facelift' T5 2003-2009.. as the BCM's are different and don't appear to have the same coding options..

Maybe the 2003-2009 T5's are the same the Polo '9n' ... in which case I haven't come across ANY posts for either model where someone has done a retro-fit MFSW...

-Can anyone advise me whether the T5 and the Polo 9n share the same central electronics.. and in any case, what differences are there with the wiring / coding steps as opposed to the T5.1 ???

golfi_vend · Jul 7, 2016

Only MFSW you can install is like this:

r32caravelle · Jul 7, 2016

golfi_vend said:
Only MFSW you can install is like this:

Yes, I know - I have bought this already

.. as mentioned above .. "I want to add a MSFW - Multifunction Steering wheel [part # 7H5419091AG Original fitment upgrade for T5 - 4-Spoke MFSW with Cruise & Telephone Voice Control], for which I already have the correct BCM version to support this upgrade."

Now then.

Have you retro-fitted this wheel..? ... or has ANYONE ever retro-fitted this MFSW to a T5 .. ?

I have trawled the internet for days ....... but everyone is retro-fitting the newer style MFSW's on the newer T5.1 's or newer Polo's.. which has a different BCM / Coding setup and maybe different wiring setup too..

only info so far is this (which only confirms what I have already)..

http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/Cruise_Control_Retrofitting_(7H)

golfi_vend · Jul 7, 2016

You can search for golf4 mfsw retrofit. It has same type relay-module for broadcasting signals to can network.

Code:

Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1J0-907-487-A.lbl    
Part No: 1J0 907 487 C    
Component: Lenkradelektronik   0006      
Coding: 00119    
Shop #: WSC 02756      
VCID: 312ADE88F9A5E0B6C1-5184

No fault code found.

DGMotors · Jul 8, 2016

As Golf_vend said you need to seach G4 retrofit.

Your to obsessed with the BCM as this has almost nothing to do with the retrofit (other than the cruise part)

You need steering wheel / loom
Might need new slip ring (airbag slip ring)
MFSW control unit (looks like a relay) - 1J0907487C
Wiring loom - https://www.kufatec.co.uk/shop/en/multi-function-steering-wheel-harness-vw-bora-passat-3b-3bg-golf-4 (will need modifiying for T5)
Wiring connecting to each unit (Radio to control unit to steering wheel etc)

I looked into it and decided it wasnt worth the bother

r32caravelle · Aug 1, 2016

Update.

thanks for the replies guys.. ok, so I now have the MFSW (7H5419091AG), the MFSW relay unit (1J0907487A) and a specific T5 MFSW loom (designed to retro-fit OE MFSW's to a T5) :

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/191832113408?clk_rvr_id=1058567817257&rmvSB=true

My slip-ring / clock-spring / steering wheel sensor is already the 5-pin version, so I should be ok there - and I believe my BCM Body Control module / J519 (7H0937049AE) should be ok too.

The thing is, the instructions for the MFSW wiring-loom are in German :banghead:

.. and even after google-translation doesn't make much sense :mad:

I've spent the last 2-3 weeks on and off, trying to find out any info on MKIV forums, but no-one seems to have retro-fitted a OE MFSW on a MKIV using the CAN-bus relay 451 and associated MFSW wiring-loom :confused:

I am the stage of placing the wiring-loom into the relay-panel, but I just don't know which wire should go where? I know it should require less cables than non-CAN bus installation but need some advise here PLEASE!!

Once the MFSW loom/wiring is done, these are the codings I believe that work with Relay 451 1J0907487A :

00008 Audio and CCS (CAN disabled mode)
00118 Audio and CCS (CAN enabled mode)
00119 Audio, CCS & Phone (CAN enabled mode)

I have factory Cruise Control and Bluetooth Telephone.. so would want Cruise, Telephone and Audio controls to work from the MFSW.

r32caravelle · Aug 17, 2016

golfi_vend said:
You can search for golf4 mfsw retrofit. It has same type relay-module for broadcasting signals to can network.

Code:

Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 1J0-907-487-A.lbl Part No: 1J0 907 487 C Component: Lenkradelektronik 0006 Coding: 00119 Shop #: WSC 02756 VCID: 312ADE88F9A5E0B6C1-5184 No fault code found.

Finally - after lots of reading I have wired up the MFSW control Relay 451, doubled checked wiring, coded it .. and.... nothing!

I have no lights on the wheel nor do the buttons work:

Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 1J0-907-487-A.LBL
Control Module Part Number: 1J0 907 487 A
Component and/or Version: Lenkradelektronik 0005
Software Coding: 00119
Work Shop Code: WSC 02756
VCID: 2F673936EE7D623A09-5140
1 Fault Found:

01426 - Controls in Steering Wheel (E221)
49-00 - No Communications

The above would indicate a power supply issue, but I am sure the relay is getting power..

Within the Measuring Blocks I've tried Groups 001/002 and nada.. no response from buttons..

what do you guys think..?

myounus · Feb 1, 2018

r32caravelle said:
Finally - after lots of reading I have wired up the MFSW control Relay 451, doubled checked wiring, coded it .. and.... nothing!

I have no lights on the wheel nor do the buttons work:

Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 1J0-907-487-A.LBL
Control Module Part Number: 1J0 907 487 A
Component and/or Version: Lenkradelektronik 0005
Software Coding: 00119
Work Shop Code: WSC 02756
VCID: 2F673936EE7D623A09-5140
1 Fault Found:

01426 - Controls in Steering Wheel (E221)
49-00 - No Communications

The above would indicate a power supply issue, but I am sure the relay is getting power..

Within the Measuring Blocks I've tried Groups 001/002 and nada.. no response from buttons..

what do you guys think..?

How have you got one with this? I am planning to do the same with a T5.

T5 Multivan Transporter MFSW retrofit... am I the only one?

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