Vw golf mk5 2007 1.6 fsi limp mode

jaunius · Jun 24, 2016

Hi guys, i have problem problem whit my golf, i bought vag com to sort out the problem, but apparentlly it doesnt help.
So when the engine is cold its drives fine, but just reach temperature 50-90 degress it losing power, and the engine sounds weird then accelerate.
Scan whit vag com no fault found and no warning lights on the dash board... my mechanic doesn't have any ideas as well. My mechanic doesn't have any ideas as well.
Maybe someone has this problem before? I do appreciate for any help! Thank you

Uwe · Jun 24, 2016

Please post an Auto-Scan so people can see exactly what ECU this vehicle has, what software that ECU has in it, plus the rest of the car in full context.

-Uwe-

jaunius · Jun 24, 2016

Thanks for reply mate.
Please see log below.

Code:

Thursday,23,June,2016,19:54:12:44543
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 8.1 x64
VCDS Version: 15.7.4.1 (x64)
Data version: 20160216
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WVWZZZ1KZ8P008906   License Plate: LY07SPU
Mileage: 162910km-101227mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: 1K (1K0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 52 56 62 72

VIN: WVWZZZ1KZ8P008906   Mileage: 162910km-101227miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: Malfunction 0010
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 1010
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: Malfunction 0010
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
 
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Address 01: Engine        Labels: 03C-906-056-BAG.lbl
   Part No SW: 03C 906 056 EM    HW: 03C 906 056 T
   Component: MED9.5.10       G00 1179  
   Revision: 66H09---    Serial number: VWX7Z0G53ND84M
   Coding: 0000072
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
   VCID: 72EBA1756D02DEAE78-8026

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0000 0001

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-F.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AC    HW: 1K0 907 379 AC
   Component: ESP FRONT MK60      0101  
   Revision: 00H11001    
   Coding: 0019073
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
   VCID: 73E5A4711218D7A673-8026

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 1K0-820-047.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 820 047 FT    HW: 1K0 820 047 FT
   Component: Climatic PQ35   141 0909  
   Revision: 00141027    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
   VCID: 7BF58C513A489FE62B-802E

1 Fault Found:
00229 - Refrigerant Pressure 
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 3C0-937-049-30-H.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C0 937 049 AJ    HW: 3C0 937 049 AJ
   Component: Bordnetz-SG     H54 2202  
   Revision: 00H54000    Serial number: 01000007183545
   Coding: E48D0F2700041500471400001400000000087B075C000100000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
   VCID: 71E9AE796804E5B681-8024

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K2 955 119 E  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer 290507 021  0501  
   Coding: 00038805
   Shop #: WSC 00028  

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 AB  Labels: 1K0-955-559-AF.CLB
   Component: RLS     140607 020  0105  
   Coding: 00208933
   Shop #: WSC 00028  

1 Fault Found:
00906 - Horn (H1) 
            009 - Open or Short to Ground - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 147
                    Mileage: 162525 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2005.09.13
                    Time: 31:63:63

             Freeze Frame:
                        OFF
                    Voltage: 12.15 V
                        OFF
                        ON
                        OFF
                        OFF
                        OFF


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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 T    HW: 1K0 909 605 T
   Component: 38 AIRBAG VW8   020 2300  
   Revision: 05020000    Serial number: 0038PD19CKPU  
   Coding: 0013112
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
   VCID: 3D71424964DC51D655-8068

   Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332MSME183E5B6BU

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342MSME185B0474C

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6352QSME2F4D1D0D 

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6362QSME2F4F1E3D2

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 BD    HW: 1K0 953 549 BD
   Component: J0527           036 0070  
   Coding: 0002022
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
   VCID: 75E19A691C6CC9965D-8020

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX 
   Component: E0221           002 0010

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 920 974 A    HW: 1K0 920 974 A
   Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDD 1216  
   Revision: V0002000    Serial number: VWX7Z0G53ND84M
   Coding: 0003403
   Shop #: WSC 00717 210 83406
   VCID: 2C577F0D8FA6C85EF2-8078

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 1K0-907-530-V3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 L    HW: 1K0 907 951 
   Component: J533  Gateway   H07 0052  
   Revision:   H07 01    Serial number: 010607F1000004
   Coding: E9807F060002020003
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
   VCID: 306F6B7DA38EACBECE-8064

2 Faults Found:
01305 - Databus for Infotainment 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 1
                    Fault Frequency: 35
                    Reset counter: 147
                    Mileage: 162525 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 11:35:30

01304 - Radio 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 254
                    Reset counter: 161
                    Mileage: 160358 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 15:51:52


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Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 920 974 A    HW: 1K0 920 974 A
   Component: IMMO            VDD 1216  
   Revision: V0002000    Serial number: VWX7Z0G53ND84M
   Shop #: WSC 06402 145 00197
   VCID: 2C577F0D8FA6C85EF2-8078

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MIN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 M    HW: 1K0 959 701 M
   Component: Tuer-SG         006 120B  
   Coding: 0000692
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
   VCID: 387F535D4BFE74FE86-806C

1 Fault Found:
00109 - Left Mirror Turn Signal Lamp (L131) 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
   Part No: 1K2 909 144 M
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.068 H08 1901  
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
   VCID: 36635D6541EA828E94-8062

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1K0-959-433-MAX.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 BT    HW: 1K0 959 433 BT
   Component:    KSG PQ35 G2  020 0204  
   Revision: 00020000    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 819002005103087F2D04840570085FC690FC00
   Shop #: WSC 00046 046 52295
   VCID: 0305F4B142B8E72663-8056

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 D
   Component: LIN BACKUP HORN H07 9001

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 951 178 A
   Component: Neigungssensor  003 0203

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1K0 951 178 A
   Component: Innenraumueberw.003 0203

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MIN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 702 M    HW: 1K0 959 702 M
   Component: Tuer-SG         006 120B  
   Coding: 0000692
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
   VCID: 3979565970F46DF679-806C

1 Fault Found:
00110 - Right Mirror Turn Signal Lamp (L132) 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent

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Address 56: Radio
Cannot be reached

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels: 1K0-959-703-GEN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 703 K    HW: 1K0 959 703 K
   Component: Tuer-SG         006 1202  
   Coding: 0000144
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 1012545
   VCID: 387F535D4BFE74FE86-806C

2 Faults Found:
00098 - Rear Left Central Locking (Safe) Motor (V163) 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
00930 - Locking Module for Central Locking; Rear Left (F222) 
            008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels: 1K0-959-704-GEN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 704 K    HW: 1K0 959 704 K
   Component: Tuer-SG         006 1202  
   Coding: 0000144
   Shop #: WSC 00028 028 1012545
   VCID: 3979565970F46DF679-806C

No fault code found.

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Uwe · Jun 24, 2016

There's lots of measuring value data in that ECU you could monitor for signs of something wrong.

Since you said, "when the engine is cold its drives fine, but just reach temperature 50-90 degress it losing power, and the engine sounds weird then accelerate" have you checked that the temperature the ECU sees matches reality?

You could also look at stuff like fuel trims, misfire counters, and the mount of timing being pulled due to knock-sensing when it's misbehaving.

In the end though, "Sounds weird" isn't much to work on.

-Uwe-

Jack@European_Parts · Jun 24, 2016

Is the car modified?
Log boost and in addition to ECT watch IAT.
I see the Catalyst isnt ready, is it possible that it is partly obstructed?

Uwe · Jun 24, 2016

Jack@European_Parts said:
Is the car modified?
Log boost and in addition to ECT watch IAT.

I believe that engine is naturally aspirated.

-Uwe-

jaunius · Jun 25, 2016

Thanks for reply guys, I'm really appreciated.
Mechanic told me maybe coolant temperature sensor fault I replaced yesterday check measuring data looks fine this sensors temperature reach 89 degrees and fan switch on.
Shell i take picture of fuel trims, misfire counters, IAT and the etc? And then you can tell me if parameters are right because i was trying Google it but no luck probably im searching wrong way.
Why Catalyst isn't ready i don't know, do you think it cause the problem as well?
By the way im using 95 petrol maybe i need to start use 97 petrol for this 1.6fsi engine?

PetrolDave · Jun 25, 2016

jaunius said:
By the way im using 95 petrol maybe i need to start use 97 petrol for this 1.6fsi engine?

Audi UK strongly recommend using Super Unleaded (97/98 RON) on all FSI engines.

BTW since this is a US hosted site you need to be aware that octane values are quoted differently in the US - in Europe we quote the RON value but in the US it's the average of the MON & RON values which is usually about 5 points lower. So when you or I say 98 octane, that's 93 octane so someone living in the US.

jaunius · Jun 25, 2016

when i run out 95 petrol in tank when i will start using super unleaded, because now i put in the tank fuel system treatment. but thanks any way

Jack@European_Parts · Jun 25, 2016

I believe that engine is naturally aspirated.

-Uwe-

BLF sure is........

03C stuff here is all boosted .......oops!

Looking at engine now here for the pictures.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VW-GOLF-M...290866?hash=item1a15680f32:g:SeUAAOSwMNxXYRtv

Be sure to check the crankcase ventilation valve on that VC to intake.

jaunius · Jun 25, 2016

well guys have log from measuring;
one is 680 /min Engine Speed (G28)
85.0°C Coolant Temperature (G62)
3.5 % Lambda Control Bank 1
10111011 Basic Setting Requirements

12:55:09 Group 002: General
680 /min Engine Speed (G28)
18.8 % Engine Load
0.77 ms Injection Timing
350.0 mbar Intake Manifold Pressure (G71)

12:55:09 Group 003: General
680 /min Engine Speed (G28)
350.0 mbar Intake Manifold Pressure (G71)
4.7 % Throttle Valve Angle
2.3 °BTDC Ignition Timing Angle

second

13:09:25 Group 004: General
680 /min Engine Speed (G28)
14.100 V Battery Voltage (Terminal 30)
86.0°C Coolant Temperature (G62)
61.0°C Intake Air Temperature (G42)

13:09:25 Group 002: General
680 /min Engine Speed (G28)
18.0 % Engine Load
0.77 ms Injection Timing
340.0 mbar Intake Manifold Pressure (G71)

13:09:25 Group 003: General
680 /min Engine Speed (G28)
340.0 mbar Intake Manifold Pressure (G71)
4.3 % Throttle Valve Angle
1.5 °BTDC Ignition Timing Angle

what about intake temperature is it right? the coolant temperature was 86 degrees.
by the way i was disconect map sensor and do the test drive but didn't feel any feel any difference probably only on diesel engines can feel difference when air flow meter are disconnected.

jaunius · Jun 27, 2016

But the map sensor can cause this problem? Does it show fault when map sensor is not working properly or faulty?

Jack@European_Parts · Jun 27, 2016

61.0°C Intake Air Temperature (G42)

This seems a bit high to me ........and should be closer to an ambient outside temp.

Gavra · Jun 27, 2016

Jaunis with old due respect to you and other in this thread. TSI engines are complex for most mechanics not for a casual user of diagnostic equipment. VCDS is good for reading and finding faults when you have DTC in memory. However VCDS can NOT be smarter then ECU algo for code triggering and therefore in your case can help but should not be used as only tool to find fault.

Use only 98 RON for that car and check spark plugs and coils.....sounds to me like LEAN mixture or misfire due to wrong type spark plugs..... both is not readable with any scan-tool.

Jack@European_Parts · Jun 27, 2016

Gavra,

I have to disagree to a point here, however, understand where you're coming from.

VCDS is far more useful in aid of diagnosis, than just reading or clearing a DTC.

Logging values of a controller can be used to test or qualify a system.

That's what readiness tests were originally developed for.

This allows someone to isolate a specific system, and then narrow in on the mechanicals or parts that are in error.
Not all ROW cars support readiness, however, most controllers do support many basic setting test calibrations.

That said ......it is not a substitute for the factory repair manual, microfiche parts system, or basics of knowledge on how systems work + safety.

Id say a good indicator of a misfire from wrong heat range plugs or fuel quality/PSI/volume ...... might be able to be determined by checking timing correction factor ( CF ).

Running lean creates a ton of heat.........however, looking at data like

85.0°C Coolant Temperature (G62)

and the fact that IAT is off the charts........ doesn't reflect that type of heat in the bay or ambient.

I would say that VCDS maybe cant do all the same things that the factory tools does, however, it can do something's more comprehensive than the factory tool.......and with ease of use.

Gavra · Jun 28, 2016

You misunderstood me Jack

TSI engine actually should run LEAN on idle, but idle only. And if that engine is equipped with NOx cat even gas analyser can't help for mixture reading. Misfires caused by wrong spark plugs can be checked ONLY with oscilloscope and person trained to use it for ignition problems. Especially because coils on that engine are capacitive ,and not inductive type and primary can not be used for mirroring secondary .

At the end, I said this

both is not readable with any scan-tool.

Scan-tool only allow user to read values which are measured with ECU sensors used for input. If there is any problem which is not detected by ECU scan-tool isn't much helpful.

Second ,data provided are not particularly useful because complain was about losing power when engine is hot and about some "weird" noise when accelerating, however all for data logs are taken on idle 680RPM and not on normal engine temperature. That engine should run between 95-105*C and it's at 85 at logs.

Some things just can't be solved with simple use of scanner, that was my point. Get hands dirty and use many tools to find fault, otherwise this thread can have 50+ pages without solution. And it's good for every thread to have solution so other users can read what is the proper way of fixing car, and to help them to realize that VCDS is only tool capable to see what ECU thinks it's wrong, and any errors in memory are NOT produced or evaluated by scan-tool it's just read out of ECU parameters.

Jack@European_Parts · Jun 28, 2016

No Gavra I didn't.

So you are saying that with an ECT of 85C at idle and an IAT of 61C ......would be normal for this engine,...... being as sophisticated as you aforementioned?

I don't know because we don't have these here..........as far as I thought a few pages back, it was charged in error. :banghead:

Know why........? because I shot from the hip rather than took aim at the repair manual.
I failed to follow my on advice JPPSG.......

Gavra · Jun 28, 2016

ECT at 85*C at idle is still warming up and 61*C at IAT is NORMAL temperature in any engine with MAP installed. MAP is installed inside intake manifold and 61*C is normal temperature because cylinder head is dissipating heat over manifold as well. MAF engines have normal readings about 35-47*C and MAP around 55-75*C .

Understanding set-up of engine and ECU algorithm helps to find fault faster. MAP engines with air leak will have MORE power ,while MAF engines with same fault(air leak) will have LESS power, different types of algo used. For you, and any other technically educated person those things are easy to understand because you are familiar with it. But this thread started person who bought VCDS because his mechanic is NOT good and isn't able to find fault.

dubTECH · Jun 28, 2016

I actually have an audi a3 blf in at present with a similar issue, no faults other than "air leak detected", I have smoke tested it, no issues. Checked all relevant temp sensors etc, all OK. Removed the exhaust and physically checked condition of cats.... OK (although if they had been broken up I would expect lambda issues). I'm now suspecting PCV failure, it's got rough idle and very down in power, under acceleration over 3000rpm the engine sounds like the bottom end is knocking, which I would presume is excessive crankcase pressure due to the pcv failure. Would it be possible your car has the same problem?? Although I'm not 100% on my own diagnosis, but a new pcv will be with me tomorrow so by all means I can report back on my findings.

jaunius · Jun 28, 2016

Thank you guys for all your comments im really do appreciate. The engine is fsi not tsi. as many people as many opinions. I will try to check every single thing you mentioned in this forum. Tomorrow will open and check condition of spark plugs and coil packs. Then will check air leaks as well, Then planing to change fuel filter. By the way i change twice high pressure fuel pump and every time when replace this pump i feel better performance, engine sounds different (much butter) but just for very short time, only for few miles. So i was thinking maybe something whit fuel pressure is to high or to low..and the engine sound (when it gets in limp mode) is the same like driving 15mph and put 3 gear and press accelerate pedal all the way down or driving up to hill whit the high gear.
Dubtech, which petrol are you using 95 or 98?
Thank you guy's!

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