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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack@European_Parts View Post
    I'm sorry, but this is BS.

    Lion Air: At least one, if not several crews who flew that plane before the fatal crash reported problems that were almost certainly due to some kind of problem with the MCAS system. They turned that shit off an proceeded to do what pilots are expected to do: Aviate. Unfortunately, it wasn't fixed, and the last guy to crew that airplane didn't recognize the problem and turn that shit off.

    Ethiopian Air: The Pilot In Command was a 29 year old who claimed to have 8000 flight hours. How is it possible to rack up 8000 hours by age 29? The co-pilot was a guy with 200 hours total. WTF?

    The way I see this, both were pilot error; i.e. failure to recognize that a system was mis-behaving and turn it off.

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    The engineering problems are likely insurmountable. It would be like proposing to land a rocket booster section on a barge floating in the middle of the ocean.

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    US is scrutinizing the development of Boeing’s 737 Max aircraft: WSJ

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/18/us-i...craft-wsj.html
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    Some 737 Max 8 pilots "tried" on iPads not flight simulators

    The scariest IMHO section is this:
    Crucially the training did not cover any of the new software that would be used on the 737 Max.
    Boeing is also said to have also failed to mention to American Airlines pilots about the new software, under the guise of not wanting to "inundate" them with information.
    So the pilots couldn't turn off the MCAS anti-stall system, because they didn't know it existed

    http://appleinsider.com/articles/19/...-ipads-instead
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    https://www.yahoo.com/news/exclusive...--finance.html

    Exclusive: Cockpit voice recorder of doomed Lion Air jet depicts pilots' frantic search for fix - sources

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack@European_Parts View Post
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/exclusive...--finance.html

    Exclusive: Cockpit voice recorder of doomed Lion Air jet depicts pilots' frantic search for fix - sources
    "They didn't seem to know the trim was moving down," the third source said. "
    Because there aren't big-assed trim wheels (that spin any time the trim changes!) right by the throttle and flap levers?



    Investigators examining the Indonesian crash are considering how a computer ordered the plane to dive in response to data from a faulty sensor and whether the pilots had enough training to respond appropriately to the emergency, among other factors.
    What emergency? It's straightforward malfunction. Shut that shit off and adjust the trim manually, then fly the feckin' airplane.

    My take-away: Stay out of 3rd-world airliners. Their so-called pilots aren't up to snuff.

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    Ahhh huh....
    https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...737-max/?amp=1

    FBI joining criminal investigation into certification of Boeing 737 MAX
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe View Post
    Because there aren't big-assed trim wheels (that spin any time the trim changes!) right by the throttle and flap levers?

    What emergency? It's straightforward malfunction. Shut that shit off and adjust the trim manually, then fly the feckin' airplane.

    My take-away: Stay out of 3rd-world airliners. Their so-called pilots aren't up to snuff.
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    They were young pilots, and young people only look at screens

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    Quote Originally Posted by PetrolDave View Post
    They were young pilots, and young people only look at screens
    It would surprise me if they've never actually touched those trim-wheels either because there's an electric trim switch on the yoke. Guess what it does? Yep, it spins those wheels, just like the MCAS system does. But there are also a couple of switches to turn all that crap off, after which you can still trim the elevator by turning those wheels manually.

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    https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/22/busin...cel/index.html

    Indonesia's Garuda is canceling its $4.9 billion order for the Boeing 737 Max

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