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    Audi A4 petrol 3.2 CLCA 2009 non start

    Hi all please see attached scan
    we have a ~Fault codes P3053 starter returned message 50 short to ground
    P3088 stater relay electrical malfunction no signal communication
    There is no live data for engine ecu first in VCDS and also in snap on scanner

    We have checked starter, works fine through starter relay. (Both small starter relays J53 and J695 work fine) is not being earthed out by ecu through pin T94 77 .
    The ignition switch I Believe is working correctly as the warning light for press clutch pedal does not retun when pressed/operated correctly so im presuming ecu is recieving mesage that ignition switch wants to start

    I Am hoping someone has had this Problem or can see where im going wrong with testing this System
    Thanks Phillip Winkworth

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    Friday,29,April,2016,13:11:21:27229
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
    VCDS Version: 15.7.4.1 (x64)
    Data version: 20160216
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    
    VIN: WAUZZZ8K49A083864   License Plate: BEN
    Mileage: 131080km-81449mi   Repair Order: 
    
    
    
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    Chassis Type: 8K (8T0)
    Scan: 01 03 05 08 09 15 16 17 19 42 46 47 52 53 56 62 72
    
    VIN: WAUZZZ8K49A083864   Mileage: 131080km-81449miles
    
    01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 1010
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
    04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
    05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
    46-Central Conv. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
    53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
    56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
    62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
    72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
     
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    Address 01: Engine (J623-CALA)       Labels: 06E-907-559-CAL.clb
       Part No SW: 8T0 907 559 E    HW: 8T0 907 559 A
       Component: 3.2 SIMOS8.2  H02 0001  
       Revision: --------    
       Coding: 01040003180F0119
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM32FSI8T0907559E A01001
       ROD: EV_ECM32FSI8T0907559E.rod
       VCID: 448CDEBCCFF1821E1A-8010
    
    7 Faults Found:
    6480 - Starter Control; Returned Message 
              P3053 00 [228] - 50 Short to Ground
              MIL ON - Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Mileage: 131088 km
                        Date: 2016.04.20
                        Time: 19:26:05
    
    6484 - Starter Relay 
              P3088 00 [228] - Electrical Malfunction
              MIL ON - Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Mileage: 131088 km
                        Date: 2016.04.20
                        Time: 19:26:05
    
    6360 - Manifold Pressure Sensor (G71) 
              P1156 00 [036] - Open/Short to Ground
              Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Mileage: 1048574 km
                        Date: 2000.00.00
                        Time: 00:00:00
    
    6473 - Camshaft Timing Adj. Bank1 (N205) 
              P1528 00 [036] - Open Circuit
              Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Mileage: 131088 km
                        Date: 2016.04.22
                        Time: 18:24:39
    
    6476 - Camshaft Timing Adj. Bank2 (N208) 
              P1536 00 [036] - Open Circuit
              Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Mileage: 131088 km
                        Date: 2016.04.22
                        Time: 18:24:39
    
    6467 - Bank1; Exhaust Cam Adjustment Valve 1 (N318) 
              P1050 00 [036] - Open Circuit
              Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Mileage: 131088 km
                        Date: 2016.04.22
                        Time: 18:24:39
    
    6470 - Bank2; Exhaust Cam Adjustment Valve 2 (N319) 
              P1054 00 [036] - Open Circuit
              Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Mileage: 131088 km
                        Date: 2016.04.22
                        Time: 18:24:39
    
    Readiness: 0110 0101
    
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    Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 8K0-907-379-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 907 379 AD    HW: 8K0 907 379 AD
       Component: ESP8 quattro  H04 0060  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
       Coding: 0D0D00
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 7BFE6540FA8F3DE62B-802E
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J393)       Labels: 8K0-907-064-05.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 C    HW: 8K0 907 064 C
       Component: BCM2 1.1      H70 0134  
       Revision: 00002001    
       Coding: 031100
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 3064826C63490EBECE-8064
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8T0 959 754 D    HW: 8T0 959 754 D
       Component: FBSAUDIB8 IDG  H37 0060 
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 905 852 D    HW: 8K0 905 852 D
       Component: ELVAUDIB8  H36 0041 
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: Redir Fail!
       Part No SW: 8T2 820 043 S    HW: 8T2 820 043 S
       Component: KLIMA 3 ZONEN H06 0140  
       Revision: D0000000    Serial number: 0117.07.081049
       Coding: 46040000
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 4280D8A4DDE58C2E28-8016
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: 8K0-907-063.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 907 063 A    HW: 8K0 907 063 A
       Component: BCM1 1.0      H22 0253  
       Revision: 02022001    Serial number: 00000000183865
       Coding: 690040B10034A7010001000000005F5F0F1D020800000141000000
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 2D5A9B18747B6356E5-8078
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K2 955 119 A    HW: 8T2 955 119   Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
       Component: WWS 110708  H05 0070 
       Coding: 00FD11
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 955 559     HW: 8K0 955 559   Labels: 8K0-955-559.CLB
       Component: RLS  H04 0003 
       Coding: 025028
    
       Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8K0 941 531 G    HW: 8K0 941 531 G
       Component: E1 - LDS  H07 0070 
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels: 8K0-959-655.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 959 655 B    HW: 8K0 959 655 B
       Component: AirbagVW-AU10 H26 0410  
       Serial number: 0038JD17THLW  
       Coding: 30363434363030303030554A3052384B3053
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaECUVWAUDI010 A02007
       ROD: EV_AirbaECUVWAUDI010_AU48.rod
       VCID: 3C7CA65CB701FADE62-8068
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag; driver side: 
       Serial number: 6334MSME3E36104BF
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag; front passenger side: 
       Serial number: 6344MSME3E15480BK
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag; rear; driver side: 
       Serial number: 6352QSME78763A51O
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag; rear; passenger side: 
       Serial number: 6362QSME6C597809Y
    
       Crash sensor for front airbag; driver side: 
       Serial number: 63732SME7E7048354
    
       Crash sensor for front airbag; front passenger side: 
       Serial number: 63832SME6B79266DH
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels: 8K0-953-568.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 953 568 F    HW: 8K0 953 568 F
       Component: Lenks.Modul   H13 0013  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 90304HGL0006K 
       Coding: 000016
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 3D7AAB58A41BF3D655-8068
    
       Component: E221 - MFL  H02 0003 
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels: 8T0-920-xxx-17.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 920 980     HW: 8K0 920 980 
       Component: KOMBIINSTR.   H16 0221  
       Revision: 00200000    Serial number: 99256NM78     
       Coding: 2F04090003002600010000
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 6FE64110BEF7514697-803A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: 8T0-907-468.clb
       Part No SW: 8T0 907 468 H    HW: 8T0 907 468 H
       Component: GW-BEM 5CAN   H06 0091  
       Revision: GB102039    Serial number: 3900G08710813E
       Coding: 000303
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 4688C4B4F1CDB00E04-8012
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 915 181 B    HW: 8K0 915 181 B
       Component: J367-BDM  H04 0150 
    
    3 Faults Found:
    03041 - Energy Management Active 
                000 -  -  - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00100000
                        Fault Priority: 7
                        Fault Frequency: 21
                        Reset counter: 203
                        Mileage: 131088 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2016.04.18
                        Time: 16:35:00
    
    01314 - Engine Control Module 
                004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00100100
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 203
                        Mileage: 131088 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2016.04.22
                        Time: 18:03:53
    
    01312 - Powertrain Data Bus 
                004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00100100
                        Fault Priority: 1
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 203
                        Mileage: 131088 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2016.04.22
                        Time: 18:03:53
    
    
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    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels: 8K0-959-793.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 959 793 B    HW: 8K0 959 793 
       Component: TSG FA        H10 0170  
       Revision:             Serial number: 0000007437035 
       Coding: 011C02205001410001
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 3F86D150AE17E1C647-806A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 46: Central Conv. (J393)       Labels: 8K0-907-064-46.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 C    HW: 8K0 907 064 C
       Component: BCM2 1.1      H70 0134  
       Revision: 00002001    Serial number: 0112917544    
       Coding: 011B0622003904C0003001
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 3064826C63490EBECE-8064
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8K0 951 177 
       Component: DWA-Sensor  H02 0040 
    
    3 Faults Found:
    01134 - Alarm Horn (H12) 
                004 - No Signal/Communication
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100100
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 163
                        Mileage: 131088 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2016.04.18
                        Time: 16:36:27
    
    02616 - Fuel Tank Cap; Unlock 
                009 - Open or Short to Ground
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01101001
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 163
                        Mileage: 131088 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2016.04.18
                        Time: 16:47:12
    
    02615 - Fuel Tank Cap; Lock 
                009 - Open or Short to Ground
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01101001
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 163
                        Mileage: 131088 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2016.04.18
                        Time: 16:56:13
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 47: Sound System (J525)       Labels: 8T0-035-223-ASC.clb
       Part No SW: 8T0 035 223 AB    HW: 8T0 035 223 
       Component: DSP STD       H07 0220  
       Revision: S1900000    
       Coding: 0203010101
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 6ED85C14B9FD584E9C-803A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels: 8K0-959-792.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 959 792 B    HW: 8K0 959 792 
       Component: TSG BF        H10 0170  
       Revision:             Serial number: 0000007486660 
       Coding: 011C02205001410001
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 3E78AC54A91DE8CE4C-806A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 53: Parking Brake (J540)       Labels: 8K0-907-801-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 907 801 E    HW: 8K0 907 801 E
       Component: EPB Audi B8   H05 0060  
       Revision: 00000003    Serial number: 00000000180888
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 31628768684307B6C1-8064
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels: 8Tx-035-1xx-56.clb
       Part No SW: 8T2 035 195 H    HW: 8T2 035 195 H
       Component: Symphony3     H02 0210  
       Revision: 00000004    Serial number: AUZ5Z4H1029303
       Coding: 0502008001010D004359070000
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 3D7AAB58A41BF3D655-8068
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8T0 919 603 A    HW: 8T0 919 603 A
       Component: Display  
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 62: Door, Rear Left (J388)       Labels: 8K0-959-795.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 959 795     HW: 8K0 959 795 
       Component: TSG HL        H06 0170  
       Revision:             Serial number: 0000007490103 
       Coding: 010C02204001210001
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 7F069150EE9721C607-802A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 72: Door, Rear Right (J389)       Labels: 8K0-959-794.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 959 794     HW: 8K0 959 795 
       Component: TSG HR        H06 0170  
       Revision:             Serial number: 0000007451427 
       Coding: 010C02204001210001
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 7EF86C54E99D28CE0C-802A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 02:27)--------------------------
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    Hello,

    ...we have a ~Fault codes P3053 starter returned message 50 short to ground
    P3088 stater relay electrical malfunction no signal communication
    - I would recommend to use the Factory wiring Diagrams and check the starter relay's connections,
    sounds like the ECM is not seeing the return message(positive voltage) from the (D97) circuit.



    There is no live data for engine ecu first in VCDS and also in snap on scanner
    - There is a lot of information about the starter in the ECM's Advanced Measuring Value Blocks, when using VCDS.

    Simply use the 'filter' filed box in the Advanced Measuring Values

    - You should see these values (and more), when you enter the key word "Starter" ...

    277 = Starter control; clutch switch
    278 = Starter control; interlock switch
    279 = Starter; measure-back wire term. 50 R
    280 = Starter; start relay 1
    281 = Starter; start relay 2
    282 = Starter; starter request terminal 50


    - If the other codes [Open Circuit] do not clear check the SB7 fuse.


    For more information about checking these types of fault codes, please see this Ross-Tech forum page.

    Testing - Open Circuits, Short to Ground or Positive, etc


    Hope this helps,

    drpeter

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    I don't suppose the Starter Relay, the Manifold Pressure Sensor, and the Cam Adjusting Solenoids all have a common source of power?

    -Uwe-
    The engineering problems are likely insurmountable. It would be like proposing to land a rocket booster section on a barge floating in the middle of the ocean.

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    I'd probably have a quick look at J329 ( Terminal 15 Relay ) via WD with all shared on its tracks, and after all respective fuses were FIRST verified.

    Be careful:
    The WD has specific criteria related to date of production for this vehicle for line changes.


    You marked the engine code incorrectly in your title, however, VCDS saves the day.

    Audi A4 petrol 3.2 CLCA <<<<<<<<2009 non start

    Address 01: Engine (J623-CALA) <<<<<<<<< Labels: 06E-907-559-CAL.clb
    Part No SW: 8T0 907 559 E HW: 8T0 907 559 A
    Component: 3.2 SIMOS8.2 H02 0001
    Revision: --------
    Coding: 01040003180F0119
    Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
    Another reason for the consistency check with JPPSG.
    http://forums.ross-tech.com/showthre...uot-JPPSG-quot

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    Hi...

    I don't suppose the Starter Relay, the Manifold Pressure Sensor, and the Cam Adjusting Solenoids all have a common source of power?
    - I was thinking that too at first, then looking at the diagram I see:


    Positive battery power from Battery to the SA2 Fuse

    - Fuse SA2 provides 30-power to the J757
    - The SB7 fuse is powered by the J757-ECM relay
    - SB7 provides power to the [G71, N205, N208, etc...]

    Also...
    - Fuse SA2 also provides 30-power to the J329-Terminal 15 power
    - The J329 then provides power (terminal-50) to the Starter relays J53 and J695.

    - So I would imagine there would be no 15-power if we lost the common power source, SA2 Fuse... \

    I would like to add that I would verify the starter relays have power on the [86-terminal] and then to see if there is ground/[85-terminal] coming from the ECM.

    - Use a good wiring diagram...


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    It might be a good idea to know why this exists.

    3 Faults Found:
    03041 - Energy Management Active
    000 - - - Intermittent
    Freeze Frame:
    Fault Status: 00100000
    Fault Priority: 7
    Fault Frequency: 21
    Reset counter: 203
    Mileage: 131088 km
    Time Indication: 0
    Date: 2016.04.18
    Time: 16:35:00

    01314 - Engine Control Module
    004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
    Freeze Frame:
    Fault Status: 00100100
    Fault Priority: 2
    Fault Frequency: 1
    Reset counter: 203
    Mileage: 131088 km
    Time Indication: 0
    Date: 2016.04.22
    Time: 18:03:53

    01312 - Powertrain Data Bus
    004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
    Freeze Frame:
    Fault Status: 00100100
    Fault Priority: 1
    Fault Frequency: 1
    Reset counter: 203
    Mileage: 131088 km
    Time Indication: 0
    Date: 2016.04.22
    Time: 18:03:53

    or these

    3 Faults Found:
    01134 - Alarm Horn (H12)
    004 - No Signal/Communication
    Freeze Frame:
    Fault Status: 01100100
    Fault Priority: 2
    Fault Frequency: 1
    Reset counter: 163
    Mileage: 131088 km
    Time Indication: 0
    Date: 2016.04.18
    Time: 16:36:27

    02616 - Fuel Tank Cap; Unlock
    009 - Open or Short to Ground
    Freeze Frame:
    Fault Status: 01101001
    Fault Priority: 2
    Fault Frequency: 1
    Reset counter: 163
    Mileage: 131088 km
    Time Indication: 0
    Date: 2016.04.18
    Time: 16:47:12

    02615 - Fuel Tank Cap; Lock
    009 - Open or Short to Ground
    Freeze Frame:
    Fault Status: 01101001
    Fault Priority: 2
    Fault Frequency: 1
    Reset counter: 163
    Mileage: 131088 km
    Time Indication: 0
    Date: 2016.04.18
    Time: 16:56:13
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    Check TSB 2022649 (about the P3053 ) - Maybe affected by bad ECU

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    We have checked starter, works fine through starter relay. (Both small starter relays J53 and J695 work fine) is not being earthed out by ecu through pin T94 77 .
    - I did not see your statement above.

    You will NOT see the ECM grounding the T94/77 pin at the ECM, this is a monitoring circuit, to watch the starter signal, 50-power. When the starter gets 50-power the ECM need to know, this is how it knows. Sorry about that..

    Any way, the ECM will be grounding the two relays from ECM Pins T94/8 and T94/30 to deliver the 50-power to the starter. Check these two terminals...



    also. . . .



    Quote Originally Posted by vagtuning View Post
    Check TSB 2022649 (about the P3053 ) - Maybe affected by bad ECU
    Hi...

    I saw the above mentioned TPI:2022649/3 earlier when doing a little research too, Date: 24-Aug-2010 and it does state the following:

    "Engine does not start in automatic start. If the ignition key is held, the engine starts without problems."

    - So it is a good document to reference, I would not condemn the ECM, yet ...



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    OP....... Peter just made me think of something.

    Is it possible someone installed an aftermarket starter lock out device for FOD?
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    First of all Thank you for all your excellent replies

    we decided to save and clear codes and see what came back, the fault codes for camshaft and manifold were caused by us swapping around two of the same relays one for engine managment, the reason for this is erwins layout of this fuse box in scuttle for both left and right hand drive are different to this cars, it does not show both the small starter relays (which id already swapped around all same part numbers) while iv been off even though the two relays tested fine two new relays were fitted
    Drpeters reply for advanced measurng blocks was nice didnt know it existed, when key pressed and held all start blocks selected turned from zeros to 1 exept Starter; measure-back wire term. 50 R, not only did it not switch also starter relay two direct feed to starter motor only switched very briefly, we soldered a wire into old relay 2 for earth which goes rightly to pin 94/30 ecu, when starer switch operated this remained 12volts We decided to earth pin through wire when key pushed in, this operated starter motor and started, so all other systems work fine exept this one
    However as is so often the case the good or bad news is i removed this relay unsoldered wire refitted and its been starting fine since and even with the new relay so tomorrow im going to have a looked at the connection on the rear of relay holder to see if theres a bad connection
    I had already test this wire back to ecu for continuatey it was good tomorrow i I will isolate it and load test it

    I Will get back to you with results if there anything you can see i need to do please let me Know

    Thanks again Phillip Winkworth
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