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    No the ribbon inside might be in place, but there are holes on a disc that runs through angle sensor. Those holes pass through light when steering is turned and that makes the steering angle positsion.

    Still having doubts it being that fault. - lets see.
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    Hahaha, it's an actual game.

    Well, they say they checked all of the wiring and went through the official VW guided fault finding and this was it. If it isn't, then I'll be getting my Ł230 back.

    So they are doing what you asked them to, Jack.

    Also gave it a wash after I specifically instructed them not to, some nice swirl marks now.

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    Well it wasn't the clock spring. Luckily they refunded me the money, but they damaged the leather on the steering wheel in the process.....brilliant!

    I asked why they couldn't ring VW in Germany and ask for some help and they said that's not how it works anymore.

    So they said the next possibility is the steering control module or a wiring fault somewhere in the car. But they can't say which one and they won't refund the money if it's the wrong one. I said isn't there a way you can pin it down, like testing the steering module...nope.

    I'm going elsewhere to get it sorted.

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    Well I certainly wouldn't want them poking wires with a DVOM lead or back probing........

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    If I thought I stood the foggiest chance of understanding it, then I would get the Erwin subscription, Jack. VW UK said that if the dealership were struggling to understand the fault, they could've just rang the technical line for VW UK, or even the factory. Baffled as to why they didn't.

    There is one definite pattern in all of this, if the lights come on above 50, no turning of the steering wheel will turn them off. However, if you dip below 50mph and speed up again, then they immediately go off.

    This is my latest scan. It now shows as defective. After I cleared them, I went for a long drive and no lights came on. But I can guarantee that tomorrow morning, they'll be back on again.

    Just a point of interest, is '1K0 953 549 AQ' the correct control module for my car? Most google hits relate to Skodas and Seats (well aware of their interchangeability). The steering is also coded without board computer, but I have the full length MFD.

    Code:
    Friday,04,March,2016,18:17:23:60835
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    VCDS Version: 15.7.3.0
    Data version: 20151216
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    VIN: License Plate: 
    Mileage: 115850km-71985mi   Repair Order: 
    
    
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    Chassis Type: 1K (1K0)
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 52 55 56
    
    VIN: Mileage: 115850km-71985miles
    
    01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
    02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
    25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
    44-Steering Assist -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
    55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
    56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine        Labels: 06F-907-115-AXX.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 907 115 J    HW: 8P0 907 115 B
       Component: 2.0l R4/4V TFSI     0020  
       Revision: 5BH16---    Serial number: VWZ7Z0G8026897
       Coding: 040300031C070060
       Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
       VCID: 2D5559BCB4FC9D56EA-8078
    
    No fault code found.
    Readiness: 0000 0000
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 02E-927-770.lbl
       Part No SW: 02E 300 043 Q    HW: 02E 927 770 AE
       Component: GSG DSG         070 1305  
       Revision: 04507000    Serial number: 00000701031215
       Coding: 0000020
       Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
       VCID: 224FBA80FD22522E47-8076
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-F.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AC    HW: 1K0 907 379 AC
       Component: ESP FRONT MK60      0101  
       Revision: 00H11001    
       Coding: 0004738
       Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
       VCID: 73E18FC412588BA67C-8026
    
    2 Faults Found:
    00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85) 
                014 - Defective - Intermittent
    00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85) 
                000 -  - 
    
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    Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 1K0-907-044.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 907 044 BJ    HW: 1K0 907 044 BJ
       Component: ClimatronicPQ35 090 0909  
       Revision: 00090016    Serial number: 00000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 70EB80C8634EB0BE81-8024
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 3C0-937-049-23-H.lbl
       Part No SW: 3C0 937 049 AE    HW: 3C0 937 049 AE
       Component: Bordnetz-SG     H52 2002  
       Revision: 00H52000    Serial number: 00000006619795
       Coding: E78F8F2700041500471400001400000000097F075C0001
       Shop #: WSC 01287 785 00200
       VCID: 6CD394B84F66545EBD-8038
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K2 955 119 E  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
       Component: Wischer 240107 020  0501  
       Coding: 00038805
       Shop #: WSC 01287  
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 AB  Labels: 1K0-955-559-AF.CLB
       Component: RLS     250107 020  0105  
       Coding: 00208933
       Shop #: WSC 01287  
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 T    HW: 1K0 909 605 T
       Component: 38 AIRBAG VW8   020 2300  
       Revision: 05020000    Serial number: 0038PD1004BM  
       Coding: 0013112
       Shop #: WSC 01269 785 00200
       VCID: 3D7569FC649C0DD65A-8068
    
       Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332MSME157D606AJ
    
       Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342MSME155C2139A
    
       Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6352QSME200C1E19G
    
       Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6362QSME1F783C31S
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 AQ    HW: 1K0 953 549 AQ
       Component: J0527           636 0070  
       Coding: 0012102
       Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
       VCID: 010DD50C58E4A9367E-8054
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX 
       Component: E0221           002 0010
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K6 920 973     HW: 1K6 920 973 
       Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDD 1610  
       Revision: V0003000    Serial number: VWZ7Z0G8026897
       Coding: 0007403
       Shop #: WSC 44474 136 93303
       VCID: 70EB80C8634EB0BE81-8024
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 1K0-907-530-V4.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 AD    HW: 1K0 907 951 
       Component: J533  Gateway   H07 0112  
       Revision:   H07 01    Serial number: 140110F2000040
       Coding: ED811F06000202002001
       Shop #: WSC 10580 123 09991
       VCID: 69DDEDAC40944176C6-803C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
       Part No SW: 1K6 920 973     HW: 1K6 920 973 
       Component: IMMO            VDD 1610  
       Revision: V0003000    Serial number: VWZ7Z0G8026897
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 70EB80C8634EB0BE81-8024
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MAX3.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 N    HW: 1K0 959 701 N
       Component: Tuer-SG         005 0982  
       Coding: 0000566
       Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
       VCID: 397D7DEC70B431F676-806C
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
       Part No: 1K2 909 144 L
       Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.074 H07 1806  
       Shop #: WSC 00000 028 00001
       VCID: 356571DC5CACD59692-8060
    
    1 Fault Found:
    00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85) 
                014 - Defective - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1K0-959-433-MAX.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 BT    HW: 1K0 959 433 BT
       Component:    KSG PQ35 G2  020 0203  
       Revision: 00020000    Serial number: 00000000000000
       Coding: 819002085103087F2D0484057008DAC690B800
       Shop #: WSC 01287 785 00200
       VCID: 0301DF0442F8BB266C-8056
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
       Component: LIN BACKUP HORN H03 1301
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 951 178 
       Component: Neigungssensor  001 0101
    
       Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1K0 951 178 
       Component: Innenraumueberw.001 0101
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MAX3.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 959 702 N    HW: 1K0 959 702 N
       Component: Tuer-SG         005 0982  
       Coding: 0000822
       Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
       VCID: 3A7F62E075B23AEE7F-806E
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 1T0-907-357.lbl
       Part No: 1T0 907 357 
       Component: Dynamische LWR      0003  
       Coding: 0000003
       Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
       VCID: 74E38CD817568C9E65-8020
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels: None
       Part No SW: 16D 035 190     HW: 16D 035 190 
       Component: RCD510USB     003 0003  
       Revision: -----001    Serial number: VWZ4Z3R8054291
       Coding: 01000424000006
       Shop #: WSC 00081 790 00119
       VCID: 5DB5C97C44DC2DD63A-8008
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285) 
                004 - No Signal/Communication
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100100
                        Fault Priority: 6
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 106
                        Mileage: 115813 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2000.00.00
                        Time: 13:37:11
    
    
    End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 01:50)--------------------------
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    Code:
    Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-F.lbl
    Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AC HW: 1K0 907 379 AC
    Component: ESP FRONT MK60 0101
    Revision: 00H11001
    Coding: 0004738
    Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
    VCID: 73E18FC412588BA67C-8026
    
    2 Faults Found:
    
    00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85)
    014 - Defective - Intermittent
    
    00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85)
    000 - -
    When did you get the fault indicated in bold? I've never seen this fault in your scans.
    As the steering angle is connected to SWCM and it is connected to drivetrain-can i see no faults of being offline. As you say angle sensor is replaced and also clock spring is tried, only thing i could think of is faulty SWCM that injects faulty data to CAN.
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    I've had this fault code before mate, a couple of pages back. It basically happens when the steering light keeps coming on and off. It eventually registers this fault, then the ESP light and tyre pressure lights stay on (steering light goes out). However, turning the car on and off again, and driving it a couple of hundred metres makes the ESP and tyre pressure lights go out.

    I've had a pissed off day, but on the positive side, like you said, there are really only two options left. Either its the SWCM or the wiring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTINR View Post
    I've had this fault code before mate, a couple of pages back. It basically happens when the steering light keeps coming on and off. It eventually registers this fault, then the ESP light and tyre pressure lights stay on (steering light goes out). However, turning the car on and off again, and driving it a couple of hundred metres makes the ESP and tyre pressure lights go out.

    I've had a pissed off day, but on the positive side, like you said, there are really only two options left. Either its the SWCM or the wiring.
    Nope, i checked all the 5 pages. All scans are with code:
    00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85)
    000 - -
    This is first page with:
    00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85)
    014 - Defective - Intermittent
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    Why are these faults in memory?
    Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
    Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 AQ HW: 1K0 953 549 AQ
    Component: J0527 636 0070
    Coding: 0012102
    Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
    VCID: 010DD50C58E4A9367E-8054

    Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX
    Component: E0221 002 0010

    4 Faults Found:
    01749 - Switch for Tiptronic in Steering Wheel (E439); Down
    008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
    01748 - Switch for Tiptronic in Steering Wheel (E438); Up
    008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
    01426 - Controls in Steering Wheel (E221)
    004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
    00888 - Wiper Switch for Intermittent Operation (E22)
    014 - Defective - Intermittent
    Would indicate a faulty SWCM.
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