Complicated MK5 Golf Steering Angle Sensor Fault

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No the ribbon inside might be in place, but there are holes on a disc that runs through angle sensor. Those holes pass through light when steering is turned and that makes the steering angle positsion.

Still having doubts it being that fault. - lets see.
 
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Hahaha, it's an actual game.

Well, they say they checked all of the wiring and went through the official VW guided fault finding and this was it. If it isn't, then I'll be getting my £230 back.

So they are doing what you asked them to, Jack.

Also gave it a wash after I specifically instructed them not to, some nice swirl marks now.
 
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Well it wasn't the clock spring. Luckily they refunded me the money, but they damaged the leather on the steering wheel in the process.....brilliant!

I asked why they couldn't ring VW in Germany and ask for some help and they said that's not how it works anymore.

So they said the next possibility is the steering control module or a wiring fault somewhere in the car. But they can't say which one and they won't refund the money if it's the wrong one. I said isn't there a way you can pin it down, like testing the steering module...nope.

I'm going elsewhere to get it sorted.
 
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Well I certainly wouldn't want them poking wires with a DVOM lead or back probing........:rolleyes:

Looks like you are going to break down and get that Erwin subscription... MATE!
 
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If I thought I stood the foggiest chance of understanding it, then I would get the Erwin subscription, Jack. VW UK said that if the dealership were struggling to understand the fault, they could've just rang the technical line for VW UK, or even the factory. Baffled as to why they didn't.

There is one definite pattern in all of this, if the lights come on above 50, no turning of the steering wheel will turn them off. However, if you dip below 50mph and speed up again, then they immediately go off.

This is my latest scan. It now shows as defective. After I cleared them, I went for a long drive and no lights came on. But I can guarantee that tomorrow morning, they'll be back on again.

Just a point of interest, is '1K0 953 549 AQ' the correct control module for my car? Most google hits relate to Skodas and Seats (well aware of their interchangeability). The steering is also coded without board computer, but I have the full length MFD.

Code: 
Friday,04,March,2016,18:17:23:60835
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows XP x86
VCDS Version: 15.7.3.0
Data version: 20151216
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: License Plate: 
Mileage: 115850km-71985mi   Repair Order: 



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Chassis Type: 1K (1K0)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 52 55 56

VIN: Mileage: 115850km-71985miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: Malfunction 0010
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine        Labels: 06F-907-115-AXX.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 115 J    HW: 8P0 907 115 B
   Component: 2.0l R4/4V TFSI     0020  
   Revision: 5BH16---    Serial number: VWZ7Z0G8026897
   Coding: 040300031C070060
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 2D5559BCB4FC9D56EA-8078

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0000 0000

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 02E-927-770.lbl
   Part No SW: 02E 300 043 Q    HW: 02E 927 770 AE
   Component: GSG DSG         070 1305  
   Revision: 04507000    Serial number: 00000701031215
   Coding: 0000020
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 224FBA80FD22522E47-8076

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-F.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AC    HW: 1K0 907 379 AC
   Component: ESP FRONT MK60      0101  
   Revision: 00H11001    
   Coding: 0004738
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 73E18FC412588BA67C-8026

2 Faults Found:
00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85) 
            014 - Defective - Intermittent
00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85) 
            000 -  - 

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 1K0-907-044.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 044 BJ    HW: 1K0 907 044 BJ
   Component: ClimatronicPQ35 090 0909  
   Revision: 00090016    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 70EB80C8634EB0BE81-8024

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 3C0-937-049-23-H.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C0 937 049 AE    HW: 3C0 937 049 AE
   Component: Bordnetz-SG     H52 2002  
   Revision: 00H52000    Serial number: 00000006619795
   Coding: E78F8F2700041500471400001400000000097F075C0001
   Shop #: WSC 01287 785 00200
   VCID: 6CD394B84F66545EBD-8038

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K2 955 119 E  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer 240107 020  0501  
   Coding: 00038805
   Shop #: WSC 01287  

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 AB  Labels: 1K0-955-559-AF.CLB
   Component: RLS     250107 020  0105  
   Coding: 00208933
   Shop #: WSC 01287  

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 T    HW: 1K0 909 605 T
   Component: 38 AIRBAG VW8   020 2300  
   Revision: 05020000    Serial number: 0038PD1004BM  
   Coding: 0013112
   Shop #: WSC 01269 785 00200
   VCID: 3D7569FC649C0DD65A-8068

   Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332MSME157D606AJ

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342MSME155C2139A

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6352QSME200C1E19G

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6362QSME1F783C31S

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 AQ    HW: 1K0 953 549 AQ
   Component: J0527           636 0070  
   Coding: 0012102
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 010DD50C58E4A9367E-8054

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX 
   Component: E0221           002 0010

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K6 920 973     HW: 1K6 920 973 
   Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDD 1610  
   Revision: V0003000    Serial number: VWZ7Z0G8026897
   Coding: 0007403
   Shop #: WSC 44474 136 93303
   VCID: 70EB80C8634EB0BE81-8024

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 1K0-907-530-V4.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 AD    HW: 1K0 907 951 
   Component: J533  Gateway   H07 0112  
   Revision:   H07 01    Serial number: 140110F2000040
   Coding: ED811F06000202002001
   Shop #: WSC 10580 123 09991
   VCID: 69DDEDAC40944176C6-803C

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 1K6 920 973     HW: 1K6 920 973 
   Component: IMMO            VDD 1610  
   Revision: V0003000    Serial number: VWZ7Z0G8026897
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 70EB80C8634EB0BE81-8024

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MAX3.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 N    HW: 1K0 959 701 N
   Component: Tuer-SG         005 0982  
   Coding: 0000566
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 397D7DEC70B431F676-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
   Part No: 1K2 909 144 L
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.074 H07 1806  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 028 00001
   VCID: 356571DC5CACD59692-8060

1 Fault Found:
00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85) 
            014 - Defective - Intermittent

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1K0-959-433-MAX.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 BT    HW: 1K0 959 433 BT
   Component:    KSG PQ35 G2  020 0203  
   Revision: 00020000    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 819002085103087F2D0484057008DAC690B800
   Shop #: WSC 01287 785 00200
   VCID: 0301DF0442F8BB266C-8056

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
   Component: LIN BACKUP HORN H03 1301

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 951 178 
   Component: Neigungssensor  001 0101

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1K0 951 178 
   Component: Innenraumueberw.001 0101

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MAX3.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 702 N    HW: 1K0 959 702 N
   Component: Tuer-SG         005 0982  
   Coding: 0000822
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 3A7F62E075B23AEE7F-806E

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 1T0-907-357.lbl
   Part No: 1T0 907 357 
   Component: Dynamische LWR      0003  
   Coding: 0000003
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 74E38CD817568C9E65-8020

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 16D 035 190     HW: 16D 035 190 
   Component: RCD510USB     003 0003  
   Revision: -----001    Serial number: VWZ4Z3R8054291
   Coding: 01000424000006
   Shop #: WSC 00081 790 00119
   VCID: 5DB5C97C44DC2DD63A-8008

1 Fault Found:
01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 106
                    Mileage: 115813 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 13:37:11


End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 01:50)--------------------------
 
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Code: 
Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-F.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AC HW: 1K0 907 379 AC
Component: ESP FRONT MK60 0101
Revision: 00H11001
Coding: 0004738
Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
VCID: 73E18FC412588BA67C-8026

2 Faults Found:

00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85)
014 - Defective - Intermittent

00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85)
000 - -
When did you get the fault indicated in bold? I've never seen this fault in your scans.
As the steering angle is connected to SWCM and it is connected to drivetrain-can i see no faults of being offline. As you say angle sensor is replaced and also clock spring is tried, only thing i could think of is faulty SWCM that injects faulty data to CAN.
 
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I've had this fault code before mate, a couple of pages back. It basically happens when the steering light keeps coming on and off. It eventually registers this fault, then the ESP light and tyre pressure lights stay on (steering light goes out). However, turning the car on and off again, and driving it a couple of hundred metres makes the ESP and tyre pressure lights go out.

I've had a pissed off day, but on the positive side, like you said, there are really only two options left. Either its the SWCM or the wiring.
 
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GTINR said:
I've had this fault code before mate, a couple of pages back. It basically happens when the steering light keeps coming on and off. It eventually registers this fault, then the ESP light and tyre pressure lights stay on (steering light goes out). However, turning the car on and off again, and driving it a couple of hundred metres makes the ESP and tyre pressure lights go out.

I've had a pissed off day, but on the positive side, like you said, there are really only two options left. Either its the SWCM or the wiring.
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Nope, i checked all the 5 pages. All scans are with code:
00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85)
000 - -
Click to expand...

This is first page with:
00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85)
014 - Defective - Intermittent
Click to expand...
 
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Why are these faults in memory?
Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 AQ HW: 1K0 953 549 AQ
Component: J0527 636 0070
Coding: 0012102
Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
VCID: 010DD50C58E4A9367E-8054

Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX
Component: E0221 002 0010

4 Faults Found:
01749 - Switch for Tiptronic in Steering Wheel (E439); Down
008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
01748 - Switch for Tiptronic in Steering Wheel (E438); Up
008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
01426 - Controls in Steering Wheel (E221)
004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
00888 - Wiper Switch for Intermittent Operation (E22)
014 - Defective - Intermittent
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Would indicate a faulty SWCM.
 
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Sounds like a terminal relay or ignition switch issue..........

Maybe no sleepy times.........

Measure MA draw to trace from BCM on Wake and verify part # of module at your respective dealer based on VIN #.
 
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My apologies, golf_vend. I thought for sure I had or posted the 'defective' fault. Regarding the steering faults, I've cleared those and they haven't come back. Is it still possible after two weeks of no faults on the steering module?
 
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Jack@European_Parts said:
Sounds like a terminal relay or ignition switch issue..........

Maybe no sleepy times.........

Measure MA draw to trace from BCM on Wake and verify part # of module at your respective dealer based on VIN #.
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Jack, I have to decode most of what you say...haha (mainly because of the acronyms).

So...measure the MA draw using a multimeter, from BCM? Is BCM the central electrics module? If it's showing a low draw on Wake, then it's faulty?

I have the fuse diagrams for the Golf MK5, so I'll check the relays tomorrow. It's tea (dinner) time now.
 
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Tea time! ........LOL

I am saying to make sure things are powering down properly and relays are switching ON and OFF correctly.
No stuck open or closed....or undefined ignition switch issues.

I would run a test overlay from the G85 sir ......it isn't that hard!


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Thanks for the wiring diagram, Jack. If it requires excessive removal of stuff, then I'll leave it to somebody else.

I've tested the relays in the engine bay (only 3 there) and they're all fine. All the fuses are fine as well.

I think you may be right, something isn't switching on/off. If the all of the lights come on and I switch the car on and off again, then turn the wheel lock to lock, they'll all go off after a couple of metres.

The 'defective - intermittent' fault has come back. So it's not a one off.
 
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I've tested the relays in the engine bay (only 3 there) and they're all fine. All the fuses are fine as well.
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This is why you need Erwin sir............

Please get and RTFB it.
 
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Okay I'll get it tomorrow (may as well get a full day out of it).

In the ABS module, when the lights come on the angle is different to that in the steering assist module; I.e., in ABS it is stuck at -7.35 and in Steering Assist it is stuck at 0.00.

Why are they not reading the same value?

You know I like to give as much info on the car as possible, so I should mention that the CV boot on the right is beginning to wear.
 
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I've been logging the info from the car extensively today.

What I have noticed is that in Group 11 (and above) in the ABS module, on all four wheels the 'Speed encoder error' is 65535.

Is that normal?

I mentioned this briefly in my first post, but I will elaborate as it may be relevant. The previous owner stated that this fault only started happening when he changed from his winter tyres to the (wrong sized) summer tires. The tyres on the front were 225/45/18, as opposed to 225/40/18.
 
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Are the tires approved?
What are speeds of each wss in advance measuring blocks?

Well I just brought my old man home from the hospital so I think I am not as stressed.

Now he looks like Herbert from Family Guy with his walker.
Wish I could heal people like cars.
At least a repair manual exists for cars.
AGAIN .....You must verify the terminal relays.
 
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Sorry to hear about your dad, Jack. This is why I like cars, things can be verified and corrected (most of the time). In fact, one of the main reasons I bought this car was to get over some of my own issues.

Put into perspective, I guess it's just a car and on the whole it's very nice. BTW, Family Guy is my favourite program, but we always seem to get episodes later on here.

The WSS all read OK. I'm not sure of approved, but they are all the correct size; 225/40/18 (92Y). Goodyear Eagle F1s on the front and Bridgestone Potenzas at the back. What does the speed encoder error usually read?

What a dodo I am, I know there are more relays below the instrument panel. I even saw them when I was upgrading my CAN gateway (fault existed before this). I did think to myself, why would a car like this only have 3 relays...idiot. It's getting dark out now, so I'll have to do it tomorrow morning.

This is the testing method I'm using for the relays: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ire7vyDqelg
 
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