Audi Q3 start/stop symbol on instrument panel

gienol · Feb 15, 2016

This is my first post so hi to everyone!

I have succesfully deactivated start/stop function on my Q3 TDI. However I still got start/stop symbol ( crossed out A ) displayed on instrument panel.
Question : how to get rid of this?
thank you.

Code:

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VCDS Version: 15.7.3.0 (x64)
Data version: 20151216
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VIN: WAUZZZ8U0ER047795   License Plate: 
Mileage: 47310km-29397mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: 8U (8U0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 10 15 16 17 19 22 25 42 44 46 52 53 55 5F 62 6C
          72

VIN: WAUZZZ8U0ER047795   Mileage: 47310km-29397miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
22-AWD -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
6C-Back-up Cam. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
 
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Address 01: Engine (J623-CFFB)       Labels: 03L-906-018-CFF.clb
   Part No SW: 03L 906 018 CM    HW: 03L 906 018 ES
   Component: R4 2,0L EDC   H28 4900  
   Revision: 41H28---    Serial number:               
   Coding: 00190012040601080000
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00119
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TDI01103L906018CM 003004
   ROD: EV_ECM20TDI01103L906018CM.rod
   VCID: 77FDBAB4CEB9C98640-8022

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0 

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 5N0-614-109-C6.clb
   Part No SW: 5N0 614 109 AS    HW: 5N0 614 109 AS
   Component: J104   C6 450M V42E 0150  
   Revision: --H07---    Serial number: 00000007589134
   Coding: 0050311
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00153
   VCID: 7CF7A5983F9FEADE2D-8028

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 8P0-820-043.lbl
   Part No SW: 8U0 820 043 C    HW: 8U0 820 043 C
   Component: E87  Klimavoll      0020  
   Revision: 00H03000    Serial number: 8U0820043C    
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 316944ACA85DD7B6CE-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: 8X0-907-063.clb
   Part No SW: 8X0 907 063 N    HW: 8X0 907 063 N
   Component: BCM PQ35  M   112 0771  
   Revision: AG112771    
   Coding: 06000A2CE817F3C0201841C02100894C57FF84AA212F912BE4088E8400C5
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00010
   VCID: 479D0A74F6D97906F0-8012

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8U1 955 119     HW: 8U1 955 119 
   Component: WWS316 131026  H36 0085 
   Coding: 0047F7

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8U0 955 559 B    HW: 8U0 955 559 B  Labels: 8U0-955-559.CLB
   Component: G397_RLFS  H06 0002 
   Coding: 02006E

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 8X0 951 177 
   Component: DWA-Sensor H0  H01 0020 

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
   Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H05 1501 

No fault code found.

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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels: 8X0-919-475.clb
   Part No SW: 8X0 919 475 M    HW: 8X0 919 475 
   Component: PARKHILFE 4K  H03 0051  
   Revision: 11001001    Serial number: 37031328401121
   Coding: 280004
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00119
   ASAM Dataset: EV_EPHVA14AU21X0000 002005
   ROD: EV_AU210ParkAssis4K.rod
   VCID: 50AF21280B97BEBEA1-8004

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels: 8X0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 8U0 959 655 B    HW: 8U0 959 655 B
   Component: AirbagVW-AU10 H08 0520  
   Serial number: 003LRR06EHVH  
   Coding: 30353132313030303030554A304C38553053
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00119
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaAU10SMEAU316 001005
   ROD: EV_AirbaAU10SMEAU316.rod
   VCID: 46830770F9D3600E0B-8012

   Crash sensor for side airbag; driver side: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 351 A    HW: 5K0 959 351 A
   Component: S.Sens.Fahr.V  H02 ---- 
   Serial number: 3496KSME41504C29ZZZX

   Crash sensor for side airbag; front passenger side: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 351 A    HW: 5K0 959 351 A
   Component: S.Sens.Beif.V  H02 ---- 
   Serial number: 3506KSME040A5029ZZZI

   Crash sensor for side airbag; rear; driver side: 
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 351 A    HW: 5K0 959 351 A
   Component: S.Sens.Fahr.H  H02 ---- 
   Serial number: 3516KSME3D104F29ZZZ-

   Crash sensor for side airbag; rear; passenger side: 
   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 351 A    HW: 5K0 959 351 A
   Component: S.Sens.Beif.H  H02 ---- 
   Serial number: 3526KSME41285029ZZZL

   Crash sensor for front airbag; driver side: 
   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: 8U0 959 651     HW: 8U0 959 651 
   Component: F.Sens.Fahr  H02 ---- 
   Serial number: 3555USME10613226ZZZN

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels: 8X0-953-569.clb
   Part No SW: 8X0 953 501 B    HW: 5K0 953 569 AL
   Component: LENKS.MODUL   016 0140  
   Revision: FF010018    Serial number: 20131114200053
   Coding: 1184004000
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00119
   ASAM Dataset: EV_VW360SteerWheelUDS A03004
   ROD: EV_VW360SteerWheelUDS.rod
   VCID: 39797C8CB82D1FF676-806C

   Multi Function Steering Wheel Control Module: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8U0 951 528 G    HW: 8U0 951 528 G
   Component: E221 - MFL  H08 0010 

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels: 8X0-920-xxx-17.clb
   Part No SW: 8U0 920 940 E    HW: 8U0 920 940 E
   Component: KOMBI_COLOUR  H01 0230  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 12CF00
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00119
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_AU10 A04399
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_AU10.rod
   VCID: 3A7B6380BD2B14EE7F-806E

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: 8X0-907-468.clb
   Part No SW: 8U0 907 468 Q    HW: 8U0 907 468 G
   Component: GAT 4CAN 1L M H13 0063  
   Revision: 1P120037    Serial number: 3741P13A2202AB
   Coding: FBCF1A5A000100610253
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00119
   VCID: 50AF21280397BEBEA1-8004

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 1K0 915 181 H    HW: 1K0 915 181 A
   Component: J367-BDM  H07 0180 

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 663     HW: 8K0 959 663 
   Component: J532_DCDCStab  H17 0042 

No fault code found.

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Address 22: AWD (J492)       Labels: 0CQ-907-554.clb
   Part No SW: 0AY 907 554 F    HW: 0AY 907 554 F
   Component: Haldex4Motion H52 7521  
   Serial number: HA1-00021.09.13
   Coding: 0001
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00153
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AllWheelContrHA1VW37X 002001
   ROD: EV_AllWheelContrHA1VW37X_AU21.rod
   VCID: 4E933F5011A3A84EB3-801A

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 8U0 920 940 E    HW: 8U0 920 940 E
   Component: IMMO          H01 0230  
   Serial number:               
   Coding: 000002
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00119
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_AU10 A04113
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_AU10.rod
   VCID: 3A7B6380BD2B14EE7F-806E

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels: 8X0-959-793.clb
   Part No SW: 8X0 959 793 K    HW: 8X0 959 793 K
   Component: TSG FA        H10 0415  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 011E02200000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00153
   VCID: 55A1D03C3C75DB9672-8000

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 5N1-909-144.clb
   Part No SW: 5N1 909 144 R    HW: 5N1 909 148 J
   Component: J500__APA-BS KL.374 1401  
   Revision: 1BH04841    Serial number: 00132860007401
   Coding: 0000258
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00153
   VCID: 4189146C18FD47363E-8014

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels: 8X0-959-792.clb
   Part No SW: 8X0 959 792 K    HW: 8X0 959 792 K
   Component: TSG BF        H10 0415  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 011E02200000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00153
   VCID: 54A72D38378FC29E85-8000

No fault code found.

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Address 53: Parking Brake        Labels: 3AA-907-801.clb
   Part No SW: 3AA 907 801 H    HW: 3AA 907 801 H
   Component: J540 EPB4  VW-86594 0010  
   Revision:   H19       Serial number: 00000001582312
   Coding: 0025167
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00153
   VCID: 366377B04133F08E9B-8062

No fault code found.

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Address 55: Headlight Range (J431)       Labels: 8X0-907-357.clb
   Part No SW: 8X0 907 357 C    HW: 8X0 907 357 B
   Component: ****LWR12**** H02 0020  
   Serial number: 131106-0002-014
   Coding: 1157A41010022500
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00153
   ASAM Dataset: EV_HeadlRegulBasic 005001
   ROD: EV_HeadlRegulBasic.rod
   VCID: 428B1B60D5FB5C2E27-8016

No fault code found.

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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 8U0 035 193 C    HW: 8U0 035 193 A
   Component: RMC Cnct Nav  H54 0801  
   Coding: 01000600028157070823020103010000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00119
   VCID: 356170BC9C35FB9692-8060

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8U0 919 603     HW: 8U0 919 603 
   Component: DUBasic AU316  H41 0018 

1 Fault Found:
02444 - Disk Drive Load / Eject Malfunction 
            000 -  - 
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 4
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 33
                    Time Indication: 0

             Freeze Frame:
                    ON Time: 1229 h


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Address 62: Door, Rear Left (J388)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 8X0 959 795 C    HW: 8X0 959 795 C
   Component: TSG HL        H07 0415  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 010E02200000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00153
   VCID: 4FAD22541EA9A146B8-801A

No fault code found.

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Address 6C: Back-up Cam.        Labels: 4H0-907-441.clb
   Part No SW: 8U0 907 441     HW: 8U0 907 441 
   Component: SG Rueckfahrkamera  0031  
   Revision: --H09---    Serial number: 525 PA8J3ZH20D
   Coding: 1020015
   Shop #: WSC 98765 666 38384
   VCID: 76E3B7B001B3B08E5B-8022

1 Fault Found:
03006 - Back-up Camera System not calibrated 
            000 -  - 
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 144
                    Time Indication: 0


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Address 72: Door, Rear Right (J389)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 8X0 959 795 C    HW: 8X0 959 795 C
   Component: TSG HR        H07 0415  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 010E02200000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00153
   VCID: 4FAD22541EA9A146B8-801A

No fault code found.

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DV52 · Feb 15, 2016

gienol: Hello and welcome to the forum- I'm honoured to be the first response to your first post!

Before dealing with your question, let me acknowledge that the SS disable tweak is not an RT sanctioned change! This said, I (like you) think that SS is a woefully implemented facility in the VW family of vehicles!

I assume that you have disabled SS using either the "Voltage" method, or the "Temperature" method. Both of these tweaks trick the car into thinking that either there is insufficient voltage at the battery to re-start the engine (and therefore the engine doesn't switch-off), or that the temperature is too high to activate SS when the car is at a standstill.

So, the dreaded "crossed out A" is normal in this condition because the car is programmed to display this symbol when SS is prohibited from operating because of an internal process. Alas, the crossed-out A symbol is a tell for this VCDS tweak - and unless your car has a "integrated" method of disabling SS, I don't believe that it's possible to remove the symbol (an example of an integrated SS tweak is the facility in later models of the mk7 which have an adaptation channel called Deactivation of start-stop function in the Acc/Start Auth. Control module - @ address hex05, HW:5Q0-959-435)

Don

PS: I implemented this tweak years ago and I just accepted the slash-A symbol when the car came to a rest (much better than having the engine switch-off). But I eventually designed and installed a simple electronic device that automatically disables the function when I turn-on the ignition (and still allows me to re-engage SS if I want - not that I have ever wanted to do so). Details HERE.

NEtech · Feb 16, 2016

Have you searched ("stop") trough Adaptation channels in [17-Instruments] ?

gienol · Feb 17, 2016

DV52 - I'm really impressed with your smart devices. However my electronic DIY abilities are too limited to make me sure I'm successful with the job

It's here how I disabled SS:http://www.q3ownersclub.co.uk/forum/tdi-start-stop-deactivation-mod_topic3033.html

Netech - in fact there is an adaptation chanel in in [17-Instruments] - start/stop symbol change from enable to disable but changing it gives no effect so I assume there might be something more to be modified.

LN-TAL · Feb 17, 2016

Reversing pf the s/s system is normally NOT done in the instruments, but with a login code in central electronics (09) and an adaption channel. On the A6 it is done in channel 34.

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Login 20113
Adapt channel 34

-4 SS at ignition on off
+4 SS always off
+32 last status SS after ignition off

DV52 · Feb 17, 2016

gienol said:
DV52 - I'm really impressed with your smart devices. However my electronic DIY abilities are too limited to make me sure I'm successful with the job
It's here how I disabled SS:http://www.q3ownersclub.co.uk/forum/tdi-start-stop-deactivation-mod_topic3033.html
.

gienol: Don't be impressed- they are very simple devices that a first-year engineering grad student could easily design

!

The tweak in your link is different than I had assumed in my first response. This said, I suspect that the end-effect is the same as in the case of MQB platform vehicles; the sense of the descriptor "External Start/Stop information active" suggests a process similar to the Temperature/Voltage method albeit I admit that the link is rather tenuous on first read (i.e. Temp/Volts are external data inputs used for S/S control decisions)!

Don

PS: If you want to try one of my devices, PM and we can discuss an arrangement of mutual benefit, but first refer to a WD to ascertain if one side of the S/S disable button on your car is earthed - else I will need to modify the design

gienol · Feb 18, 2016

LN-TAL There is no login option in 09-CE on Q3 just the greyed coding II button in place. :banghead:

Any clue?

LN-TAL · Feb 19, 2016

Huh ? No "Security access" button on module 09 ??

gienol · Feb 19, 2016

Ooo. In fact it is a "Security access" but 20113 doesn't work....

gienol · Feb 19, 2016

DV52 said:
gienol: Don't be impressed- they are very simple devices that a first-year engineering grad student could easily design !

The tweak in your link is different than I had assumed in my first response. This said, I suspect that the end-effect is the same as in the case of MQB platform vehicles; the sense of the descriptor "External Start/Stop information active" suggests a process similar to the Temperature/Voltage method albeit I admit that the link is rather tenuous on first read (i.e. Temp/Volts are external data inputs used for S/S control decisions)!

Don

PS: If you want to try one of my devices, PM and we can discuss an arrangement of mutual benefit, but first refer to a WD to ascertain if one side of the S/S disable button on your car is earthed - else I will need to modify the design

DV52 - How about to install a relay with shortened reaction : http://www.ase.hoste.pl/pdfy/time relay 2DS.pdf - with 3 and 5 terminal connected to start/stop switch terminals T10f/5 and T10f/3 http://zapodaj.net/04714d969a7a4.png.html ? That would simulate my finger pressing the switch once the ignition is on. What is your opinion?
thanks

LN-TAL · Feb 20, 2016

No I would expect that the login code is different on your car. I also expect the whole procedure to be different (maybe different adaption channel, maybe a coding thing, maybe something else). But I am 99% sure that there is a way to fix this with software, you just have to know the procedure on your car.

A friend has a 2016 Caddy, and we have started the puzzle to find this procedure on his car.

DV52 · Feb 20, 2016

gienol said:
DV52 - How about to install a relay with shortened reaction : http://www.ase.hoste.pl/pdfy/time relay 2DS.pdf - with 3 and 5 terminal connected to start/stop switch terminals T10f/5 and T10f/3 http://zapodaj.net/04714d969a7a4.png.html ? That would simulate my finger pressing the switch once the ignition is on. What is your opinion?
thanks

gienol: Hello again. I'm sensing a prospective new convert to the fledgling Automatic-SS-Kill-Switch club. Welcome aboard - if you take the next, small step!
First, I have to agree with NL-TAL that it's obviously better and easier if you can find an "integrated" software solution to this problem (i.e. an adaptation channel/coding Bit that can be changed without the "tell" appearing). But, in the absence of such a find, the "Low-tech" solution is an acceptable alternative (IMO).

The principal difference between your relay and my device is that it appears to have no "wait-time" between when the relay is energised and when the contacts close. I'm not sure if this will be a problem on your car, but I deliberately designed a "latency" in my device to allow the BCM circuity to stabilise after ignition switch-on (i.e. before sending the kill-pulse). The wait time on my device is 5 seconds, but after building a few of these devices, I now reckon that only a couple of seconds is needed (I think). The problem with the electrical environment in which the device must operate is that a lot is happening when the car's ignition is switched-on. My biggest concern was that SS is actually disabled on the edge of the kill-pulse (on a mk7, it's the negative edge - on your car, I suspect that it's the positive edge of the pulse). So I wanted to separate in time, the BCM dynamic and the sending of the kill-pulse - which I did with the wait-time (hope that this makes sense).

Anyhow, my real answer to your question is "I don't know - but I doubt that the timings will be correct, but I suggest that you try it out and see what happens. There ought be very little risk with trying your approach given that all you are doing is mimicking the car's native SS disable switch.

Please keep us informed of progress - if you proceed
Don

PS: the other consideration is how you will energise the relay. It will need a terminal-15 supply. If SC13 isn't such a supply, then you will need to find a terminal-15 rail on another fuse (resulting inn 4 x connections)

Audi Q3 start/stop symbol on instrument panel

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