Bank 1: CMP Sensor (G40) / Engine Speed Sensor (G28) P0016 - 008 - Incorrect Correla

passat2006 · Jan 11, 2016

Hello,
Does anyone have an idea what could be going on? This car, when new, had issue of bolt coming loose of oil pump chain. Since then, even today, still running perfect, no noise, starts perfect, no trembling (besides normal for this engine)

1000 miles ago, this fault showed up, but like mentioned, engine running perfect, no noise etc. I reset fault, and showed up again, like said, 1000 miles later. I must add one thing. Roughly 4000 or more, I heard a noise coming from engine, on passenger side, as if chain tensioner was not tight (similar as when it starts, once one does oil change) This happened while driving in traffic, and making a right turn. Accelerated car lightly 2 to 3 times, and noise went away, and never heard again. Below the engine report.
Does this sensor sense, if tensioner is not tight enough? Obviously, chain did not slip or jump a tooth.

Thanks for any help.

Code:

Chassis Type: 3C (3C0)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 0F 15 16 17 19 1C 25 36 42 44 46 47 52 53 55
56 62 65 72 76

VIN: Mileage: 289510km-179893miles

00-Steering Angle Sensor -- Status: OK 0000
01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
0F-Digital Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
1C-Position Sensing -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
36-Seat Mem. Drvr -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
47-Sound System -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
65-Tire Pressure -- Status: Malfunction 0010
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
76-Park Assist -- Status: OK 0000

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Address 01: Engine Labels: 03H-906-032-BLV.lbl
Part No SW: 03H 997 033 N HW: Hardware No 
Component: P3.6-FSI-LEV2 G00 2371 
Revision: --H11--- Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
Coding: 0000075
Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
VCID: 387528D24B0800FE89-806C

1 Fault Found:
000022 - Bank 1: CMP Sensor (G40) / Engine Speed Sensor (G28) 
P0016 - 008 - Incorrect Correlation - MIL ON
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 11101000
Fault Priority: 0
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 255
Mileage: 289452 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2016.01.05
Time: 08:24:32

Freeze Frame:
RPM: 1962 /min
Load: 32.5 %
Speed: 97.0 km/h
Temperature: 84.0°C
Temperature: 15.0°C
Absolute Pres.: 1010.0 mbar
Voltage: 13.843 V

Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 09G-927-750.clb
Part No SW: 09G 927 750 HK HW: 09G 927 750 AJ
Component: AQ 250 6F 1271 
Revision: 00H38000 Serial number: 
Coding: 0000072
Shop #: WSC 05152 444 83926
VCID: 01038536585281367E-8054

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 3C0-614-095-C2.clb
Part No SW: 3C0 614 095 Q HW: 3C0 614 095 Q
Component: ESP 440 C2 H015 0003 
Revision: H015 Serial number: 0667032157
Coding: 0046541
Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
VCID: 306510F2A378D8BEC1-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 3C0-907-044.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 907 044 AC HW: 3C0 907 044 AC
Component: ClimatronicPQ46 050 0404 
Revision: 00050005 Serial number: 00000000000000
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 62C1AABABD143A2E07-8036

1 Fault Found:
01274 - Air Flow Flap Positioning Motor (V71) 
000 - - - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100000
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 120
Reset counter: 207
Mileage: 288319 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.12.23
Time: 20:04:09


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Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels: 3C0-937-049-23-H.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 937 049 Q HW: 3C0 937 049 Q
Component: Bordnetz-SG H46 1501 
Revision: 00H46000 Serial number: 00000002333517
Coding: F7868F0340041A00470A00000F000000002A5D435C0000
Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
VCID: 37772BEE46160F8680-8062

Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3C1 955 119 Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
Component: Wischer VW461 012 0503 
Coding: 00063445
Shop #: WSC 00028 

Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 T Labels: 1K0-955-559-AF.CLB
Component: RegenLichtSens 011 1110 
Coding: 00208933
Shop #: WSC 00028 

1 Fault Found:
01335 - Drivers Seat/Mirror Position Control Module (J543) 
004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 201
Mileage: 289184 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2016.01.02
Time: 21:15:00

Freeze Frame:
OFF
Voltage: 12.45 V
OFF
ON
OFF
OFF
OFF


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Address 0F: Digital Radio Labels: 8E0-035-593-SIR.lbl
Part No SW: 8E0 035 593 D HW: 8E0 035 593 D
Component: SDAR SIRIUS H03 0060 
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: AUZ4Z7E4013623
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 2A51029A85A4A26E0F-807E

1 Fault Found:
02635 - Tuner Not Enabled/Activated 
000 - - 
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100000
Fault Priority: 7
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 145
Mileage: 288319 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.12.23
Time: 20:04:09


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Address 15: Airbags Labels: 3C0-909-605.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 909 605 K HW: 3C0 909 605 K
Component: 0P AIRBAG VW8R 029 2521 
Revision: 10029000 Serial number: 003A3P1S2LGN 
Coding: 0012368
Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
VCID: 2E590E8AB94CCE4ED3-807A

Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3C0 959 339 A
Component: BF-Gewichtsens. 006 0002

Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 00000000031YSV

Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 0001.01.000000600000000000ÿ†63

Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 000000ÿ†6332MSME0E1A4B0CNÿ†63

Subsystem 5 - Serial number: A4B0CNÿ†6342MSME0E2F3074Hÿ†63

Subsystem 6 - Serial number: F3074Hÿ†6351HTS63IK2E4B3+ÿ†63

Subsystem 7 - Serial number: 2E4B3+ÿ†6361HTS63IK2A662Yÿ†63

Subsystem 8 - Serial number: 2A662Yÿ†63727TS6I2IQU652Nÿ†63

Subsystem 9 - Serial number: QU652Nÿ†63827TS61IKM6NK2Tÿ

Subsystem 10 - Serial number: M6NK2Tÿ

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 3C0-953-549-SW20.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 953 549 E HW: 3C0 953 549 E
Component: J0527 0015 
Revision: 00005000 Serial number: 3C5953507P 
Coding: 0002211
Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
VCID: 2E590E8AB94CCE4ED3-807A

Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX 
Component: E0221 007 0050

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments Labels: 3C0-920-xxx-17.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 920 970 R HW: 3C0 920 970 R
Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VD1 4240 
Revision: X0033000 Serial number: 00000000000000
Coding: 0007205
Shop #: WSC 05152 444 53658
VCID: 336F1FFE526EE3A6BC-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels: 3C0-907-530-V1.clb
Part No SW: 3C0 907 530 C HW: 3C0 907 951 A
Component: Gateway 007 0040 
Revision: 00007000 Serial number: 0700C0611602A9
Coding: 7FFD1F14D31002
Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
VCID: 2143E5B6F89261365E-8074

1 Fault Found:
00463 - Control Module for Digital Sound Package (J525) 
004 - No Signal/Communication
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 154
Mileage: 288789 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.12.29
Time: 15:31:03


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Address 1C: Position Sensing Labels: 1Kx-919-xxx-1C.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 919 965 HW: 3C0 919 965 
Component: Kompass 005 0002 
Revision: 00005000 Serial number: 1166279TQ4EK04
Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
VCID: 6DDBC98674CA7556AA-8038

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer Labels: 3C0-959-433-25.clb
Part No SW: 3C0 959 433 C HW: 3C0 959 433 C
Component: IMMO 041 0364 
Revision: 00041000 Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
VCID: 2A51029A85A4A26E0F-807E

Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3C0 905 861 D
Component: ELV 024 0370
3C0905861D ELV 024 0370 

No fault code found.

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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr Labels: 3C0-959-760.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 959 760 B HW: 3C0 959 760 B
Component: Sitzverstellung 0701 
Revision: 00003000 Serial number: 00000000000000
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 2C5D04828F50BC5EFD-8078

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver Labels: 1K0-959-701-MAX2.lbl
Part No: 1K0 959 701 L
Component: Tuer-SG 024 2461 
Coding: 0001463
Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
VCID: 37772BEE46160F8680-8062

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
Part No: 1K1 909 144 K
Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.5 D06 1701 
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 336F1FFE526EE3A6BC-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv. Labels: 3C0-959-433-46.clb
Part No SW: 3C0 959 433 C HW: 3C0 959 433 C
Component: KSG PQ46 RDK 041 0213 
Revision: 00041000 Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
Coding: 13910F8801862E521804141FF00A8F0E081800
Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
VCID: 2A51029A85A4A26E0F-807E

Subsystem 1 - Component: Sounder n.mounted 

Subsystem 2 - Component: NGS n.mounted 

Subsystem 3 - Component: IRUE n.mounted 

2 Faults Found:
00930 - Locking Module for Central Locking; Rear Left (F222) 
003 - Mechanical Failure
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100011
Fault Priority: 4
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 152
Mileage: 288634 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.12.28
Time: 16:04:28

00931 - Locking Module for Central Locking; Rear Right (F223) 
003 - Mechanical Failure
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100011
Fault Priority: 4
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 154
Mileage: 288775 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.12.29
Time: 15:09:03


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Address 47: Sound System
Cannot be reached

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. Labels: 1K0-959-702-MAX2.lbl
Part No: 1K0 959 702 L
Component: Tuer-SG 024 2461 
Coding: 0001462
Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
VCID: 387528D24B0800FE89-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 53: Parking Brake Labels: 3C0-907-801-53.clb
Part No SW: 3C0 907 801 B HW: 3C0 907 801 B
Component: EPB VC8HC001 013 0001 
Revision: 013 
Coding: 0000013
Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
VCID: 2143E5B6F89261365E-8074

No fault code found.

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Address 55: Headlight Range Labels: 5M0-907-357-V1.lbl
Part No SW: 5M0 907 357 HW: 5M0 907 357 
Component: AFS-Steuergeraet X016 
Revision: H09 Serial number: 
Coding: 0000007
Shop #: WSC 05024 444 54444
VCID: 71E3D5F668F291B68E-8024

Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7L6 941 329 Labels: 3D0-941-329.CLB
Component: AFS-Lst.-Modul l X017 
Coding: 00000035

Subsystem 2 - Part No: 7L6 941 330 
Component: AFS-Lst.-Modul r X017 
Coding: 00000035

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio Labels: 1K0-035-1xx-56.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 035 180 C HW: 1K0 035 180 C
Component: Radio PM6 016 0035 
Revision: 00016000 Serial number: VWZ5Z7F2058909
Coding: 0000010
Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
VCID: 2045E0B2F398683E51-8074

No fault code found.

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left Labels: 1K0-959-703-GEN2.lbl
Part No: 1K0 959 703 D
Component: Tuer-SG 021 2432 
Coding: 0000144
Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
VCID: 316315F6A872D1B6CE-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 65: Tire Pressure Labels: 3C0-959-433-65.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 959 433 C HW: 3C0 959 433 C
Component: RDK 0391 
Revision: 00041000 Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
Coding: 0100101
Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
VCID: 2A51029A85A4A26E0F-807E

1 Fault Found:
00667 - Ambient Temperature Signal 
008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00111000
Fault Priority: 4
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 194
Mileage: 288775 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.12.29
Time: 15:11:45


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Address 72: Door, Rear Right Labels: 1K0-959-704-GEN2.lbl
Part No: 1K0 959 704 D
Component: Tuer-SG 021 2432 
Coding: 0000144
Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
VCID: 32611AFAAD74EAAEB7-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 76: Park Assist Labels: 3C0-919-283.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 919 283 B HW: 3C0 919 283 B
Component: Parkhilfe 8-Kan 004 0011 
Revision: 00004000 Serial number: 82930600907473
Coding: 0001114
Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
VCID: 2855F8929BA8907E19-807C

No fault code found.

Jef · Jan 11, 2016

The VIN is missing from the Auto-Scan. :confused:

000022 - Bank 1: CMP Sensor (G40) / Engine Speed Sensor (G28)
P0016 - 008 - Incorrect Correlation - MIL ON

Pretty much every time I've seen this fault codes, it is because of a mechanical issue of some sort. But the ECM doesn't know where/why this is happening, all it knows is the cam timing is out of spec.

It could be the a problem with the valves that control cams, the N205 and N318. Ohm test them at room temp, should be 10 to 13 ohms. See if you can swap them around and see if the fault code changes.

Could be a chain issue, but you'll have to do a hands on inspection.

passat2006 · Jan 12, 2016

Hi Jeff,

Thanks for your quick reply. About Vin, yes I took it out because I had post else where, and did not know if a good idea. anyway WVWCU73C86P166850

In regards to the N205 and N318, can they just be swapped around? When you mention chain issue, what would be the hands inspection you recommend?

Thanks again for your help,
Nic

Jack@European_Parts · Jan 12, 2016

Or underlining oil pressure volume issue from possible sludge or bad PSI valve control causing a lubrication/mechanical issue...........

passat2006 · Jan 12, 2016

wouldn't that or couldn't that also trigger another fault, concerning oil pressure?

Jack@European_Parts · Jan 12, 2016

Not always and most of the time not.........see an oil system can have monitored PSI,......... however, at the same time have insufficient volume.

passat2006 · Jan 12, 2016

In your opinion where would you start? As I mentioned, engine is running great, do you think I'm pushing my luck with a chain slip and bending valves, if I drive car normal, till I figure out what is really going on?

Jack@European_Parts · Jan 12, 2016

You should not drive car.........

There are many things that can cause such a DTC....

Stretched or jumped chain.......oil PSI/volume incorrect, or an adjuster keyway/pin that is sheared......plugged oil micro screen or oil filter/sump pickup from FOD.

Sometimes the air gap is incorrect on G40 or G28 if installed incorrectly.

In rare cases I have seen a plugged CAT cause a correlation issue, however, it is usually accompanied by a not so great running engine with misfire.

passat2006 · Jan 12, 2016

so what do you recommend?

Jack@European_Parts · Jan 12, 2016

Run tests as per the repair manual and check static settings of timing chain + oil Pressure tests.

Start with verifying the sensors first.............

passat2006 · Jan 12, 2016

Is there anyway you can help me or quide me through these tests? I do have the Bentley manual, and the VCDS program, but as I do this as a hobby, I really don't know where nor how to start.

Thanks for your time

Jack@European_Parts · Jan 12, 2016

If you don't have the tools and equipment, or experience; I make it a policy to refer the car to a professional shop, or if you like........ you can pay for tech support with RT directly.

If you have specific questions you don't understand about a test procedure...... as described in the manual, than ask that by all means.

passat2006 · Jan 12, 2016

I do have lots of mechanical experience, and lots of tools, I don't take any of my 5 VW's to shops, all home fixed and adjusted. Who is RT? "you can pay for tech support with RT directly"?

Thanks for your help

Jack@European_Parts · Jan 12, 2016

I do have lots of mechanical experience, and lots of tools, I don't take any of my 5 VW's to shops, all home fixed and adjusted.Who is RT? "you can pay for tech support with RT directly"?

RT = Ross tech........Yup......
Than get it done........

passat2006 · Jan 12, 2016

Thanks,
Did not know RT offed paid support.

Thanks,

Jef · Jan 12, 2016

Our web page about live vehicle support over the phone:
http://store.ross-tech.com/shop/TS_Annual.html

For this type of code, IMHO, not worth it because VCDS, or rather the ECM, can not pin point the cause of the P0016 DTC. From the ECMs point of view, the crank is at [XYZ] location, thus the cam should be at [ABC] location, but it is not... the correlation between the two are out of factory design. The ECM is seeing the end result of the problem, not the cause.

If this is an oil pressure issue, it can be gosh darn impossible to pin point... oil pressure is generally checked at the bottom side of the engine, where it may be great. But your cams are using oil pressure in the cylinder head.... there is no test for oil pressure for the cam adjusters.

As for the valves for the cam adjusters, you can ohm tested as I noted, and you can also do an Output Test and verify they *click*... but this doesn't prove 100% they are mechanically working to factory design.... there could be sludge or crap in the valve so it only opens up 60%.

Swapping the N205 and N318 valves around is easier said than done. There is a timing chain cover you have to remove to access the screws that secure them into place.

For giggles, you should be able to swap the G40 and G163 sensors around, I believe they are the same part number. Looks like each is held in place by a single screw.

As for listing the VIN, it is best to have it. No one is going to steal your car based on the VIN... tow trucks don't need stinkin' VINs.

passat2006 · Jan 12, 2016

Thanks Jef,
Like always appreciate it greatly. In your opinion, as fault light only turns on after roughly 800 miles, if I swap sensors around to start checking, do you actually think, im running danger of chain skipping and self destruct engine?

) Im alomost 99.99% sure, chanin has not= skipped, nor do I have oil pump bolt issue. Engine, I guess the older it gets, the smoother it runs, at least this one

Thanks for your input and help,
Nic

Jack@European_Parts · Jan 12, 2016

I would say that there is absolutely a way to check oil PSI/volume on the head.

I do it two ways.........I drill out a ball valve on the head ( oil gallery casting ) and convert to gage, or drill and tap the upper rear chain tensioner, so I can read PSI through the Banjo bolt directly.

So the answer to your question is yes it can be done, and Jef is correct this procedure is not in the stupid manual............but it should be!

When the chains stretch or skip they often skip retarded and run smoother.........

I would swap those cam sensors and yes they are the same.

passat2006 · Jan 12, 2016

You got me thinking there, sounds like a good idea. Let me look and some drawings, and at engine to figure out exactly where you mean. Dont want o ask you too many questions

)
Thanks

passat2006 · Jan 13, 2016

I just cant get over this question, If chain could be streched, or skipped, or low oil pressure or volume, why does it take fault code to appear after almost 800 miles of driving, and no noise from motor or rough, or hard starting is noted?

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