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    2012 VW CC Indirect TPMS activation

    Good evening,

    I've mounted my new snow tyres to my NAR 2012 VW CC Sport. The TPMS sensors in these wheels (as I subsequently discovered) are of the 315 MHz variety, but my TPMS module (65) uses the newer 433 MHz sensors.

    Rather than disabling TPMS entirely, I was hoping to use Indirect TPMS via the ABS module for the winter. There were coding instructions in a hover-over in VCDS that said to add 1024 to the ABS coding, but that resulted in an "out of range" error. I then found coding instructions online (though for different models) that indicate that +2048 is the way to go. This coding was accepted, but I don't have channel 042 available, and that tells me that +2048 didn't work. Incidentally, +2048 was only accepted after I activated TPMS II (4C) in the gateway.

    My autoscan is below. I'd love to make this work if at all possible, and pick up another set of 433 MHz sensors for next season.

    Code:
    Tuesday,29,December,2015,18:15:07:36082
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows XP x86
    VCDS Version: 15.7.3.0
    Data version: 20151216
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    
    VIN: WVWMP7AN1CE512485   License Plate: 2KC 648
    Mileage: 108360km-67331mi   Repair Order: ABS TPMS
    
    
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    Chassis Type: AN (7N0)
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 2E 37 42 44 46 4C 4F 52 53 56
              62 65 6C 72 77
    
    VIN: WVWMP7AN1CE512485   Mileage: 108360km-67331miles
    
    01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
    02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
    04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
    2E-Media Player 3 -- Status: OK 0000
    37-Navigation -- Status: OK 0000
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
    44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
    4C-Tire Pressure II -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
    4F-Centr. Electr. II -- Status: OK 0000
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
    53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
    56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
    62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
    65-Tire Pressure -- Status: Not registered 0011
    6C-Back-up Cam. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
    77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine (CBF)       Labels: 06J-907-115-CBF.clb
       Part No SW: 06J 906 027 FD    HW: 06J 907 309 B
       Component: MED17.5.2 TFSI 2    3951  
       Revision: PAH04---    Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
       Coding: 040401081C070160
       Shop #: WSC 00001 000 00000
       VCID: 72EBEB126D23D3AE77-8026
    
    No fault code found.
    Readiness: 0110 0001
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 02E-927-770.lbl
       Part No SW: 02E 300 058 N    HW: 02E 927 770 AL
       Component: GSG DSG AG6     511 3509  
       Revision: 05351113    Serial number: 00001103101277
       Coding: 0000020
       Shop #: WSC 44551 111 44551
       VCID: 2541C04EEC6DF41622-8070
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 3AA-614-109.clb
       Part No SW: 3AA 614 109 M    HW: 3AA 614 109 M
       Component: J104   C2 450M V4AF 0005  
       Revision: --H07---    Serial number: 00000004040736
       Coding: 0002447
       Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
       VCID: 377D1A0646C1768680-8062
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC (J301)       Labels: 3C8-907-336.clb
       Part No SW: 7N0 907 426 L    HW: 7N0 907 426 L
       Component: AC Manuell    H17 0202  
       Revision: 00012001    
       Coding: 0000001002
       Shop #: WSC 00015 115 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Climatic A01005
       ROD: EV_ClimaBasis_VW36.rod
       VCID: 3D71082EACFD5CD65A-8068
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: 3AA-937-087.clb
       Part No SW: 3AA 937 087 A    HW: 3AA 937 087 A
       Component: BCM PQ47 H    413 0452  
       Revision: BB413001    
       Coding: 0000000000000000009802058000088447517C8840200D605C8060200040
       Shop #: WSC 05311 123 12345
       VCID: 387F193A8BDF79FE89-806C
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 3C8 955 119 D    HW: 3C8 955 119 D  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
       Component: Wischer 11021  10  0603 
       Coding: 00B795
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 AH  Labels: 1K0-955-559-AG.CLB
       Component: RLS 070411 05  54  0403 
       Coding: 0330ED
    
    2 Faults Found:
    01493 - Bulb for Blinkers; Front Left (M5) 
                010 - Open or Short to Plus
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01101010
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 143
                        Mileage: 106420 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2015.12.14
                        Time: 08:32:55
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                            Term 15 On
                        Voltage: 14.45 V
                            ON
                            ON
                            ON
                            OFF
                            OFF
    
    01800 - Light Switch (E1) 
                008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00101000
                        Fault Priority: 3
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 208
                        Mileage: 108091 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2015.12.25
                        Time: 13:40:16
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                            Term 15 Off
                        Voltage: 12.65 V
                            OFF
                            ON
                            OFF
                            OFF
                            OFF
    
    
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    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 5N0-959-655.lbl
       Part No SW: 5N0 959 655 Q    HW: 5N0 959 655 Q
       Component: J234__30S VW10 HI   1918  
       Revision: 22014000    Serial number: 003JZP5UQR86  
       Coding: 0012371
       Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
       VCID: 4B9556F62A49E266D4-801E
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3C8 959 339 A
       Component: BF-Gewichtsens. 003 0001
    
       Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 00000000002YTD
    
       Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 0002.03.11000030000064003063
    
       Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6400306332MTS676670751 63
    
       Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 70751 6342MTS680110751 63
    
       Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 10751 6351HTS6EN2DS9KR 63
    
       Subsystem 7 - Serial number: DS9KR 6361HTS6S2N7S9KR 63
    
       Subsystem 8 - Serial number: 7S9KR 63727TS6L55BS9KJ 63
    
       Subsystem 9 - Serial number: BS9KJ 63827TS6H3QLS9KJ 
    
       Subsystem 10 - Serial number: LS9KJ 
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels: 3C0-953-569.clb
       Part No SW: 3C5 953 501 BG    HW: 5K0 953 569 T
       Component: LENKS.MODUL   014 0140  
       Revision: FF010040    Serial number: 20110405200420
       Coding: 099A270000
       Shop #: WSC 00015 115 12345
       ASAM Dataset: EV_VW360SteerWheelUDS A03004
       ROD: EV_VW360SteerWheelUDS.rod
       VCID: 6BD5F67682090266B4-803E
    
       Multi Function Steering Wheel Control Module: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5G0 959 442 P    HW: 5G0 959 442 P
       Component: E221__MFL-DC1  H14 0101 
       Coding: A9FFFF
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels: 3C8-920-xxx-17.clb
       Part No SW: 3C8 920 980 T    HW: 3C8 920 980 T
       Component: KOMBI         H04 0407  
       Serial number: 00000000000000
       Coding: 240D01
       Shop #: WSC 05314 115 12345
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04114
       ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_SK35.rod
       VCID: 3E730F22A1FB47CE43-806A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: 7N0-907-530-V2.clb
       Part No SW: 7N0 907 530 AN    HW: 7N0 907 530 AN
       Component: J533  Gateway H56 1642  
       Revision:   H56       Serial number: 050314F2002699
       Coding: 469006
       Shop #: WSC 00079 790 45725
       VCID: 7CF7C52AFF6795DE2D-8028
    
    2 Faults Found:
    01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded 
                000 -  - 
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100000
                        Fault Priority: 1
                        Fault Frequency: 3
                        Reset counter: 255
                        Mileage: 108365 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2015.12.29
                        Time: 17:16:59
    
    03109 - Tire Pressure Monitoring Control Module 2 (J793) 
                004 - No Signal/Communication
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100100
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 175
                        Mileage: 108365 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2015.12.29
                        Time: 17:26:13
    
    
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    Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 3C0-959-433-25.clb
       Part No SW: 3AA 959 433 A    HW: 3AA 959 433 A
       Component:    IMMO         042 0399  
       Revision: 00042000    Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
       Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
       VCID: 377D1A0646C1768680-8062
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3C0 905 861 J
       Component:    ELV          029 0380
       3C0905861J     ELV          029 0380   
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 2E: Media Player 3 (J650)       Labels: 5N0-035-342.lbl
       Part No SW: 5N0 035 342 D    HW: 5N0 035 342 D
       Component: SG EXT.PLAYER H13 0150  
       Revision: A1001003    Serial number: 7669699996    
       Coding: 010000
       Shop #: WSC 05314 000 00000
       VCID: 285FC97A5B7FE97E19-807C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 37: Navigation (J0506)       Labels: 1T0-035-680.clb
       Part No SW: 3C0 035 684 C    HW: 3C0 035 684 C
       Component: RNS-MID       H04 1140  
       Revision: AB001001    Serial number: VWZ6Z7K7013121
       Coding: 040004000400008000
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       VCID: 2345DE5622590A264C-8076
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels: 3C0-959-70X-GEN4.clb
       Part No SW: 3C8 959 701     HW: 3C0 959 793 C
       Component: TUER-SG FT    002 0501  
       Revision: 12110009    Serial number: 0002585897
       Coding: 0004B7
       Shop #: WSC 05311 115 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_TSGFPQ35BRFVW46X A04001
       ROD: EV_TSGFPQ35BRFVW46X.rod
       VCID: 6DD1F86EBC1D0C56AA-8038
    
       Slave Driver: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 3C8 959 703 C    HW: 3C0 959 795 B  Labels: 1K0-959-70X-GEN4.CLB
       Component: J388__TSG-HL  004 0401 
       Serial number: 00000002039982      
       Coding: 000490
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 5N1-909-144.clb
       Part No SW: 5N1 909 144 L    HW: 5N1 909 148 G
       Component: J500__APA-BS KL.303 0802  
       Revision: 1AH03729    Serial number: 00110850051001
       Coding: 0000258
       Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
       VCID: 3B7506367AE952E664-806E
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 3C0-959-433-46.clb
       Part No SW: 3AA 959 433 A    HW: 3AA 959 433 A
       Component:    KSG PQ47 ELV 042 0631  
       Revision: 00042000    Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
       Coding: 1A910F8001860E7612061F1FF08A8F0E185801
       Shop #: WSC 08353 444 84822
       VCID: 377D1A0646C1768680-8062
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
       Component: LIN BACKUP HORN H05 1501
    
       Subsystem 2 - Component:       NGS n.mounted     
    
       Subsystem 3 - Component:      IRUE n.mounted     
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 4C: Tire Pressure II
    Cannot be reached
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 4F: Centr. Electr. II (J520)       Labels: 1K0-907-532.clb
       Part No SW: 7N0 907 532     HW: 7N0 907 530 AN
       Component: EZE_2         H56 1642  
       Revision:   H56       Serial number: 050314F2002699
       Coding: 00000008
       Shop #: WSC 00079 790 45725
       VCID: 6FEDE266BE11FE4698-803A
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 3AA 919 204 A    HW: 3AA 919 204 A
       Component: Analoguhr  004 0003 
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels: 3C0-959-70X-GEN4.clb
       Part No SW: 3C8 959 702     HW: 3C0 959 792 C
       Component: TUER-SG BT    002 0501  
       Revision: 14110009    Serial number: 0002584657
       Coding: 0004B6
       Shop #: WSC 05311 115 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_TSGBPQ35BRFVW46X A04001
       ROD: EV_TSGBPQ35BRFVW46X.rod
       VCID: 6ED3FF62B11BF74E93-803A
    
       Slave Passenger: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 3C8 959 704 C    HW: 3C0 959 794 B  Labels: 1K0-959-70X-GEN4.CLB
       Component: J389__TSG-HR  004 0401 
       Serial number: 00000002050358      
       Coding: 000490
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 53: Parking Brake        Labels: 3AA-907-801.clb
       Part No SW: 3AA 907 801 E    HW: 3AA 907 801 E
       Component: J540 EPB4  VW-55183 0007  
       Revision:   H18       Serial number: 00000000279620
       Coding: 0022057
       Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
       VCID: 33652E1652B99AA6BC-8066
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio (J0506)       Labels: 1T0-035-680.clb
       Part No SW: 3C0 035 684 C    HW: 3C0 035 684 C
       Component: RNS-MID       H04 1140  
       Revision: AB001001    Serial number: VWZ6Z7K7013121
       Coding: 040004000400008000
       Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
       VCID: 2345DE5622590A264C-8076
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 65: Tire Pressure (J502)       Labels: 3AA-907-273.clb
       Part No SW: 3AA 907 273 B    HW: 3AA 907 273 B
       Component: RDKBERU30     H08 0008  
       Serial number: 10000000026701
       ASAM Dataset: EV_RDKBERU30 003010
       ROD: EV_RDKBERU30_VW36.rod
       VCID: 33652E169AB99AA6BC-8066
    
    4 Faults Found:
    8397058 - Front Left TPMS Sensor 
              C1050 31 [009] - No Signal
              Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 3
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 171
                        Mileage: 108143 km
                        Date: 2015.12.26
                        Time: 19:53:56
    
    8397314 - Front Right TPMS Sensor 
              C1051 31 [009] - No Signal
              Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 3
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 171
                        Mileage: 108143 km
                        Date: 2015.12.26
                        Time: 19:53:56
    
    8397570 - Rear Left TPMS Sensor 
              C1052 31 [009] - No Signal
              Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 3
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 171
                        Mileage: 108143 km
                        Date: 2015.12.26
                        Time: 19:53:56
    
    8397826 - Rear Right TPMS Sensor 
              C1053 31 [009] - No Signal
              Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 3
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 171
                        Mileage: 108143 km
                        Date: 2015.12.26
                        Time: 19:53:56
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 6C: Back-up Cam.        Labels: 5N0-907-441.clb
       Part No SW: 3C8 907 441     HW: 3C8 907 441 
       Component: J772__Rearview      0040  
       Revision: 00H13000    Serial number: 525PA8-J482818
       Coding: 0100108
       Shop #: WSC 00079 790 00000
       VCID: 67DD8A4656E12606D0-8032
    
    1 Fault Found:
    03006 - Back-up Camera System not calibrated 
                000 -  - 
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100000
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 143
                        Time Indication: 0
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 77: Telephone (J412)       Labels: 7P6-035-730.clb
       Part No SW: 5K0 035 730     HW: 5K0 035 730 
       Component: TELEFON       H09 1020  
       Revision: 1B001001    Serial number: 00007669638126
       Coding: 0A00000000010100
       Shop #: WSC 00015 115 00000
       ASAM Dataset: UHVNA A01009
       ROD: UHVNA.rod
       VCID: 62CB9B5275C3432E07-8036
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 03:44)--------------------------
    I appreciate any help that anybody can give.

    Best,

    -William

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    Here are the instructions to switch from direct to indirect monitoring: http://www.myturbodiesel.com/wiki/tp...h-vcds-mk6-vw/

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    Thanks for the reply, Dave. The coding that I had was 000399, and I didn't see anything in the long coding helper that resembled the B6 instructions.

    Being a 2012, my CC is a B7 electrically (3AA ABS controller). Perhaps it isn't fully mapped by Ross-Tech?

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    That's a substantially different ABS system than the one used in the Golf/Jetta cars...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The1Bill View Post
    Incidentally, +2048 was only accepted after I activated TPMS II (4C) in the gateway.
    Interesting. Did Basic Setting group 042 happen to become available after a short test drive or locking the car doors (10 min) so the CAN controllers go to sleep and refresh when waking up? If you were reluctant to drive it with experimental coding I don't blame you - but I'd like to know if the CAN nap helped.

    Either way, I don't think you can have virtual address 4C-Tire Pressure II enabled with a real 65-Tire Pressure module online at the same time. I don't know if this ABS controller even supports Indirect TPMS bit I would be tempted to take 65 offline. Pull a fuse or just unplug the controller followed by a CAN Nap (if needed) and checking into the ABS controller Basic Setting 042 status couldn't hurt IMO.

    P.S. I realize this is temporary and you plan on getting the proper sensors next winter but TPMS is a Federal requirement in the US. I need to tread lightly with the step-by-step instructions but any feedback you have would be excellent.

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    I gave it a nice long CAN nap, and no dice - channel 042 never made itself available.

    My nest step is to determine where the controller is (so I can unplug it) or determine which fuse goes to it, and give your second recommendation a try.

    This isn't the world's greatest ABS controller. I resent that it is incapable of XDS, so perhaps I'll try to find a higher line version. Besides, I will eventually want to install ACC, so it's just a matter of time anyways.

    Thanks again, Dana.

    -Bill

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