Long Coding for CAN gateway

enrico · Dec 6, 2015

Hello, I'm trying to code a new can gateway that I placed to solve battery drain due to RCD 310 Radio on Golf plus V in replacement of RCD300.

What I don't understand is how to obtain the long code starting from the installation list. Just selecting the variuos devices it creates the new code?
Now the Can gatewy code is 350000.

If I put the code of the old gateway I obtain error 22 'conditions not correct or incorrect sequence error'. I don't have the workshop code but I've put 12345 as suggested in the furum.

Please help...
Thanks

Uwe · Dec 6, 2015

Got Auto-Scans? Preferably one with the original gateway and one with the new?

-Uwe-

enrico · Dec 7, 2015

Uwe said:
Got Auto-Scans? Preferably one with the original gateway and one with the new?

-Uwe-

Here the scans:

Old

Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels: 1K0-907-530.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 E HW: 1K0 907 951
Component: Gateway H11 0110
Revision: 11 Serial number: 29001052090167
Coding: 3D3F0B40079002
Shop #: WSC 01392 785 00200
VCID: 2976AFE480E203B

2 Faults Found:
01305 - Databus for Infotainment
004 - No Signal/Communication
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100100
Fault Priority: 1
Fault Frequency: 254
Reset counter: 35
Mileage: 58702 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 08:46:23

New:
Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533) Labels: None
Part No SW: 7N0 907 530 AM HW: 7N0 907 530 AM
Component: J533 Gateway H55 1642
Revision: H55 Serial number: 111213F1002338
Coding: 350000
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 7BDAA5ACFAFE41B

1 Fault Found:
01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded
000 - -
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100000
Fault Priority: 1
Fault Frequency: 2
Mileage: 59904 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 14:57:24

Spacewalker · Dec 7, 2015

enrico said:
Here the scans:
.....

before post full autoscan, please update your VCDS to latest version

Uwe · Dec 7, 2015

New GW does not have installation list in Long Coding. Use separate Installation List function in GW to populate installation list.

[Select]
[19-CAN Gateway]
[Installation List]

-Uwe-

golfi_vend · Dec 7, 2015

But does Installation List populate if no label file?

This is the AM GW, that is meant for Chinese market. :thanks:

enrico · Dec 7, 2015

Uwe said:
New GW does not have installation list in Long Coding. Use separate Installation List function in GW to populate installation list.

[Select]
[19-CAN Gateway]
[Installation List]

-Uwe-

Thanks for your reply Uwe, what I don't understand is what I obtain if I compile my list. When the new code is built? Sorry for my question but I'm not such an expert...

enrico · Dec 7, 2015

golfi_vend said:
But does Installation List populate if no label file?

This is the AM GW, that is meant for Chinese market.

Yes it is from china, a local italian VW forum told me it is fine to solve battery drain issue...

enrico · Dec 7, 2015

Do I only have to populate the list and press 'save'?
If something goes wrong the old code is retrieved with the other button?

thanks

golfi_vend · Dec 7, 2015

enrico said:
Yes it is from china, a local italian VW forum told me it is fine to solve battery drain issue...

It sure does, but it lacks some things you might not even need. - Just a pointer for others.
Is your VCDS at latest update. I know some CAN GW-s got label file with 15.7.1 update. Including me, when i was working with "BC" GW and 15.7.0 didn't, but 15.7.1 did have a label for it.

I thought I'll update it after I'm finished with this GW. Updated sooner then i wanted.

Uwe · Dec 7, 2015

enrico said:
Thanks for your reply Uwe, what I don't understand is what I obtain if I compile my list.

A gateway that's free of fault codes.

enrico said:
When the new code is built? Sorry for my question but I'm not such an expert...

This will not change your coding. That's now a separate thing from the GVL. Use a current version of VCDS to set the 3 bytes of Long Coding appropriately for your car.

-Uwe-

enrico · Dec 8, 2015

Well, I downloaded the latest version:

VCDS Version: Release 15.7.2 Running on Windows Vista x86
Data version: 20151124
www.Ross-Tech.com

Tuesday,08,December,2015,13:47:01:41339

Chassis Type: 1K (7N0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 52 56 62 72 7D

VIN: W......... Mileage: 59940km-37244miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: Not registered 0001
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: Malfunction 0010
16-Steering wheel -- Status: Malfunction 0010
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: Malfunction 0010
46-Central Conv. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
61-Battery Regul. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
7D-Aux. Heat -- Status: Malfunction 0010

Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533) Labels: 7N0-907-530-V2.clb
Part No SW: 7N0 907 530 AM HW: 7N0 907 530 AM
Component: J533 Gateway H55 1642
Revision: H55 Serial number: 111213F1002338
Coding: 350000
Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
VCID: 7BDAA5ACFA441BE63E-802E

1 Fault Found:
01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded
000 - -
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100000
Fault Priority: 1
Fault Frequency: 60
Reset counter: 255
Mileage: 59904 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 14:57:24

I selected all the necessary components on the installation list and saved.
But the can gateway is still showed as Incorrectly coded.

golfi_vend · Dec 8, 2015

Nope

04 - steering angle is not.

enrico · Dec 9, 2015

golfi_vend said:
Nope 04 - steering angle is not.

Yes you are true golfi_vend but I noticed now that if I compare the original scan with original gateway and the new scan with new gateway the order of devices is different.
Is this due to the new VCDS software or the new Gateway for the chinese market?

----ORIGINAL GATEWAY---------

Chassis Type: 1K0
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 52 56 62 72 7D

VIN: W____________ Mileage: 43410km/26973miles

00-Steering Angle Sensor -- Status: OK 0000
01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
7D-Aux. Heat -- Status: OK 0000

-----NEW CAN GATEWAY ------

Chassis Type: 1K (7N0) -------------> changed also chassis type!!
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 52 62 72 7D

VIN: W______________ Mileage: 59940km-37244miles

01-Engine -- Status: Not registered 0001
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: Not registered 0001
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Not registered 0011
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Not registered 0011
15-Airbags -- Status: Not registered 0011
16-Steering wheel -- Status: Not registered 0011
17-Instruments -- Status: Not registered 0001
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
25-Immobilizer -- Status: Not registered 0001
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: Not registered 0001
44-Steering Assist -- Status: Not registered 0011
46-Central Conv. -- Status: Not registered 0011
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: Not registered 0001
61-Battery Regul. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: Not registered 0001
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: Not registered

Sorry but I imagined changing the gateway was much simpler :-(

golfi_vend · Dec 9, 2015

You're making it complicated for yourself. The only thing moved is steering angle. This is with all newer cans.
On new scan you're missing 7D - Aux heating, do you have it removed or unmarked in install list.

Also please fresh new autoscan so it's possible to assist you further. For instance the error with battery management.

enrico · Dec 10, 2015

Yep I did some mistakes in doing the installation list

Now I have a new scan (I removed serial numbers). All devices are recognized. Some malfuncions, do they came from the new Can gateway?

Code:

VCDS Version: Release 15.7.2 Running on Windows Vista x86
Data version: 20151124
www.Ross-Tech.com

Thursday,10,December,2015,08:14:46:41339

Chassis Type: 1K (7N0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 52 56 62 72 7D

VIN: W____________   Mileage: 60040km-37307miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: Malfunction 0010
16-Steering wheel -- Status: Malfunction 0010
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: Malfunction 0010
46-Central Conv. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
61-Battery Regul. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
7D-Aux. Heat -- Status: OK 0000
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine        Labels: 03G-906-016-BKD.lbl
   Part No SW: 03G 906 016 T    HW: 028 101 195 6
   Component: R4 2,0L EDC 0000SG  7001  
   Revision: 12345678    Serial number: VW______
   Coding: 0000072
   Shop #: WSC 01392 785 00200
   VCID: 34484E90579A149EBF-8060

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-F.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 907 379 K
   Component: ESP FRONT MK60      0104  
   Coding: 0023282
   Shop #: WSC 01392 785 00200
   VCID: 3A5460A875FEE2EE65-806E

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 1K0-907-044.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 907 044 AF
   Component: ClimatronicPQ35 066 0505  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 6BFA95EC4A248B66AE-803E

2 Faults Found:
01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533) 
            005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation - Intermittent
01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 3C0-937-049-23-H.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 937 049 N    HW: 1K0 937 049 N*
   Component: Bordnetz-SG     H34 0803  
   Revision: 00H34000    Serial number: 0000000_____
   Coding: 01890F2600041800000A00000F00000000085D035C
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 3A5460A875FEE2EE65-806E

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 5M0 955 119 
   Component: Wischer VW359  012  0402  
   Coding: 00065493
   Shop #: WSC 00000  

2 Faults Found:
01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533) 
            005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 C    HW: 1K0 909 605 C
   Component: 1M AIRBAG VW8   013 2100  
   Revision: 02013000    Serial number: 00_______  
   Coding: 0012621
   Shop #: WSC 01372 785 00200
   VCID: 2C7856F08FAA4C5EE7-8078

   Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6____________

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6____________

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6_______

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6______

1 Fault Found:
01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533) 
            013 - Check DTC Memory - Intermittent - MIL ON

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 G    HW: 1K0 953 549 G
   Component: Lenksäulenmodul 521 0050  
   Coding: 0002012
   Shop #: WSC 01392 785 00200
   VCID: 364C749841E6068E81-8062

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX 
   Component: Lenkradmodul    007 0050

1 Fault Found:
01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 920 861 B
   Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDD 0814  
   Coding: 0003103
   Shop #: WSC 30562 264 68225
   VCID: 2870AAE09B52607E03-807C

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: 7N0-907-530-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 7N0 907 530 AM    HW: 7N0 907 530 AM
   Component: J533  Gateway H55 1642  
   Revision:   H55       Serial number: 11__________
   Coding: 350000
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   VCID: 7BDAA5ACFA441BE63E-802E

2 Faults Found:
01305 - Databus for Infotainment 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 1
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 2
                    Mileage: 59949 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 14:38:50

01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded 
            000 -  -  - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 1
                    Fault Frequency: 70
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 59904 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 14:57:24


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No: 1K0 920 861 B
   Component: IMMO            VDD 0814  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 2870AAE09B52607E03-807C

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MIN1.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 959 701 E
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet 09 0167  
   Coding: 0000052
   Shop #: WSC 01287 785 00200
   VCID: 30404280A38228BEDB-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
   Part No: 1K1 909 144 H
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.3       1502  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 30404280A38228BEDB-8064

1 Fault Found:
00750 - Warning Lamp 
            013 - Check DTC Memory - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Mileage: 9880 km
                    Temperature: 9.0°C
                    Voltage: 12.20 V
                    Voltage: 12.00 V


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1K0-959-433-MIN.clb
   Part No: 1K0 959 433 AK
   Component:    KSG              0401  
   Coding: 00C802087F2D8404084F01E010CC
   Shop #: WSC 01392 785 00200
   VCID: 79D6BFA4307829F62C-802C

   Subsystem 1 - Component:   Sounder n.mounted     

   Subsystem 2 - Component:       NGS n.mounted     

   Subsystem 3 - Component:      IRUE n.mounted     

2 Faults Found:
01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533) 
            005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation - Intermittent

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MIN1.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 959 702 E
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet 09 0167  
   Coding: 0000052
   Shop #: WSC 01287 785 00200
   VCID: 31464784A88821B6D4-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio
Cannot be reached

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels: 1K0-959-703-GEN1.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 959 703 C
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet 06 0220  
   Coding: 0000016
   Shop #: WSC 01287 785 00200
   VCID: 30404280A38228BEDB-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels: 1K0-959-704-GEN1.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 959 704 C
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet 06 0220  
   Coding: 0000016
   Shop #: WSC 01287 785 00200
   VCID: 31464784A88821B6D4-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 7D: Aux. Heat        Labels: 1K0-963-235.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 963 235 E    HW: 1K0 963 235 E
   Component: PTC-Element         0404  
   Revision: 00800000    Serial number:               
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 2D7E5BF4B4B04556F0-8078

No fault code found.

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 01:13)--------------------------

Thanks for your support

enrico · Dec 10, 2015

And if I go in CAN Gateway, coding I see:

35 Vehicle platform PQ35/PQ36

Options:
00 Control module not coded
35 Vehicle Platform PQ35/PQ36
46 PQ35/PQ36

Uwe · Dec 10, 2015

Almost all the fault codes are flagged "Intermittent". That means the condition that set the fault code did not exist (or could not be detected) at the time the scan was performed. Clear them and see what comes back.

-Uwe-

NEtech · Dec 10, 2015

Although you have removed most information (did you steal the car

)
Coding for [CAN Gateway - 19] should be: 359002

Dana · Dec 10, 2015

After I created this thread I realized I should have done something specific for the CAN GW module alone. In any event, The Installation List followed by Long Coding is all you need to do.

As mentioned by golfi_vend, the Battery Manager issue may just be the end result of the incorrect control module. We'd really want to look at the complete scan before repairs with the VIN (so we can check PR codes) to make sure.

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