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    Your Car Knows When You Gain Weight

    Opinion piece in the NYT by Bill Hanvey, President and CEO of the Auto Care Association:
    Your Car Knows When You Gain Weight

    Personally, I think he's exaggerating a bit. How exactly is the car supposed to know when the driver has gained weight? It may be able to measure the front-seat passenger's weight using the Passenger Occupancy Detection sensor, but last I looked, driver's seats didn't have such sensors because the car assumes that a driver is always present. OK, it could base this the total mass of the car, which it could calculate from acceleration vs. power applied, but then how would it differentiate between a weight gain/loss and some change in the amount of crap stored in the trunk?

    Then there's this: "Modern cars collect as much as 25 gigabytes of data per hour". I'm sure they generate that much data and more, but I see no evidence that they collect (i.e. store) it, nor is anyone likely to be willing to pay to transmit that much data via the cellular networks.

    That said, the point he's trying to raise is valid. Who owns that data? Who should and shouldn't have access to it?

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    "Big Brother Is Watching You". I hate the system of total control...

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    car just has to calculate the weight by comparing suspension change between when the driver door opens and closes.

    like the remake of 'italian job' figuring out which truck has the gold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D-Dub View Post
    car just has to calculate the weight by comparing suspension change between when the driver door opens and closes.
    Very few cars have suspensions sophisticated enough to make that possible. Steel springs and conventional shocks still dominate. I suppose ride-height sensors are getting more common though with fancier headlights that need to be aimed dynamically. Question is are they sensitive enough to see a few pounds worth of difference?

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    Hi,

    I think I will keep the 1996 VR6 GTI, it does not collect data, has no radio and it does not care if I loose or gain weight..

    Personally, I would have to say the owner of the vehicle owns the data, it is their vehicle, right? I never signed or seen anyone sign a End-User License Agreement when they buy a new or used vehicle. Maybe that will change?

    Maybe in the future there will be an 'opt out' option? but without (hopefully) limiting functions that you have paid for? I may be behind a bit on what is been said and what is happening on this topic, so if I am mistaken, let me know.

    Ugh... I just had a thought ... I can visualize manufactures will be injecting personalized advertisements in self drive vehicles of the future...
    ... and these vehicles will be on high speed limited access roads where I can not drive my 'ethanol free dino-fuel' GTI on their 'safe space' roads...


    Photo of the driver-less concept vehicle during my visit to: Transparent Factory in Dresden, Germany



    See you in the future or maybe in the past, I will be taking the scenic route

    drpeter

    ps... Speaking of owning... and I want access to my PIN codes! my rides, my pins. Like a radio code right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrPeter View Post
    Maybe in the future there will be an 'opt out' option?
    VCDS owners already have it. "Flight Mode" in the Telematics module.

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    That said, the point he's trying to raise is valid. Who owns that data? Who should and shouldn't have access to it?

    -Uwe-

    Isn't a vehicle considered an unsearchable without lawful warrant or effectively a dwelling & with a title of conformity & as a vessel or traveling "home" & an expectation is achieved, so I'd say what's generated or inside your home or residence or extended dwelling, is your property and subject to privacy rights, how about you?
    Wouldn't the certificate of conformity application be required with lawful public disclosure from the NHTSA, EPA or CARB might shed light on this too, no?
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    Isn't a vehicle considered an unsearchable without lawful warrant or effectively a dwelling & with a title of conformity & as a vessel or traveling "home" & an expectation is achieved,
    Unless... the 'vessel' is within the jurisdiction of the United States and is on navigable waters of such jurisdiction, then the United States Coast Guard officers "may at any time go on board of any vessel subject to the jurisdiction, or to the operation of any law, of the United States, address inquiries to those on board, examine the ship’s documents and papers, and examine, inspect, and search the vessel and use all necessary force to compel compliance. 14 U.S. Code 89 - Law enforcement

    Since Volkswagen Group does not make amphibious vehicles anymore you do not need to worry about the blue lights pulling you over

    drpeter

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrPeter View Post
    Photo of the driver-less concept vehicle during my visit to: Transparent Factory in Dresden, Germany
    Wish I'd known you were going. Did you sign up for the good tour? If you send your Phaeton VIN to the right folks (and I would have rented you mine for a day for a beer ) you get an individual owner's behind-the-glass tour, or at least you used to. I should imagine they'd do the same for one of your Bentley VINs though since they were also produced there.
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