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    TPMS or not TPMS, that is the question!

    Hello everyone,

    I started this thread because I have a 2010 A6 Quattro Avant and I thought it had the Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS), however, I now notice that all four of my tires are about 15psi low, so now I'm doubting if I have TPMS or if the system is malfunctioning. When I start the car, I never see a TPMS or tire with the "!" symbol and when I press the "check" button on the dashboard, there is no reference to TPMS. I also checked the manual and it says with a footnote "if installed".

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack@European_Parts View Post
    ???????? When you turn key on, do you get a TPMS lite on dash for a second during bulb check or can you see the lamp during outputs?
    I did not notice any dash warning/idiot lights that show the TPMS icon or text, but I will check the next time I start the car.

    So I posted my auto-scan (which I will repost below) to see if the car has TPMS but it's broken or if TPMS was never installed. From the reviews there is no mention of TPMS in my autoscan, so it is possible (at least for a Canadian Audi) that TPMS is/was an option for 2010. Here's the auto-scan:

    Code:
    VCDS Version: Release 15.7.1 (x64) Running on Windows 7 x64
    Data version: 20150904
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    Sunday,01,November,2015,16:24:40:54225
    
    Chassis Type: FB (4F0)
    Scan: 01 02 03 05 08 09 0E 15 16 17 19 36 42 46 4F 52 53 55 56 5F
              62 6C 6D 72 76
    
    VIN: WAU8GCFB8AN065799   Mileage: 124200km-77174miles
    
    01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
    02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
    04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
    05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
    0E-Media Player 1 -- Status: OK 0000
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
    36-Seat Mem. Drvr -- Status: OK 0000
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
    46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
    4F-Centr. Electr. II -- Status: OK 0000
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
    53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
    55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
    56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
    5F-Information Electr. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
    6C-Back-up Cam. -- Status: OK 0000
    6D-Trunk Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
    72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
    76-Park Assist -- Status: OK 0000
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine (CCA)       Labels: None
       Part No SW: 4F1 910 551 D    HW: 4F1 907 551 
       Component: 3.0l V6 TFSI        0050  
       Revision: --H06---    Serial number:               
       Coding: 010D000A190F0120
       Shop #: WSC 38655 001 1048576
       VCID: 2447F77DE7082E1E19-8070
    
    No fault code found.
    Readiness: 0000 0000
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 09L-927-760.lbl
       Part No SW: 4F9 910 156 A    HW: 09L 927 156 C
       Component: AG6 09L 3,0TFSI USA 0020  
       Revision: --H05---    Serial number:        4556695
       Coding: 0000002
       Shop #: WSC 02325 785 00200
       VCID: 2A5B1945852CF86E23-807E
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 4F0-910-517.lbl
       Part No SW: 4F0 910 517 AL    HW: 4F0 614 517 BA
       Component: ESP8 quattro    H03 0060  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 00000000000000
       Coding: 0020921
       Shop #: WSC 02325 785 00200
       VCID: 6ED3D5557944D44EBF-803A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 05: Acc/Start Auth.        Labels: 4F0-910-852.clb
       Part No SW: 4F0 910 852 B    HW: 4F0 905 852 E
       Component: FBSAUDIC6 ELV   H05 0100  
       Revision: 00H05000    Serial number: 10602501505762
       Coding: 0000135
       Shop #: WSC 02323 785 00200
       VCID: 2541EA79EC32D7160E-8070
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4F0 910 132 L
       Component: FBSAUDIC6 EZS   H03 0020
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 4F0 910 335 B
       Component: FBSAUDIC6 KSG   H03 0020
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 4F0-910-043.lbl
       Part No SW: 4F0 910 043 B    HW: 4F1 820 043 AL
       Component: KLIMABETAETIGUNGH30 0080  
       Revision: 00000075    Serial number: 00000030519136
       Coding: 0524582
       Shop #: WSC 02325 785 00200
       VCID: 1D31C299C4621FD656-8048
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 4F0-910-279.lbl
       Part No SW: 4F0 910 279 M    HW: 4F0 907 279 A
       Component: ILM Fahrer      H22 0320  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 4F0907279     
       Coding: 0113114
       Shop #: WSC 02156 785 00200
       VCID: 3365042152E6B9A690-8066
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4F1 910 113 D  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
       Component: Wischer AudiC6  H10 0040  
       Coding: 00056595
       Shop #: WSC 02156  
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 8K0 910 557   Labels: 8K0-955-559.CLB
       Component: REGENLICHTSENSORH04 0003  
       Coding: 00146221
       Shop #: WSC 02156  
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 0E: Media Player 1 (R41)       Labels: 4E0-910-111.lbl
       Part No SW: 4F0 035 110 A    HW: 4F0 035 110 
       Component: CDC-MP3-Alp   H44 0140  
       Revision: AA001001    
       VCID: 1521DAB9FC5247969E-8040
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels: 4F0-910-655-10.clb
       Part No SW: 4F0 910 655 R    HW: 4F0 959 655 H
       Component: Airbag AU1042 H06 0160  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 003FA00174NK
       Coding: 30314237303430303033554A304C34463053
       Shop #: WSC 02323 785 00200
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Airba10AURB4 001001
       ROD: EV_Airba10AURB4.rod
       VCID: 36633D358994AC8EB7-8062
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag; driver side: 
       Serial number: 3574SRB400009AC4C2EN
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag; front passenger side: 
       Serial number: 3584SRB40000AB3871AB
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag; rear; driver side: 
       Serial number: 3516HRB401V9E0SOR3B7
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag; rear; passenger side: 
       Serial number: 3526HRB40239OPR7ABQ4
    
       Crash sensor for front airbag; driver side: 
       Serial number: 3554NRB40000571723CX
    
       Crash sensor for front airbag; front passenger side: 
       Serial number: 3564NRB400005720CE71
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 4F0-910-549.lbl
       Part No SW: 4F0 910 549 A    HW: 4F0 953 549 C
       Component: J0527               0530  
       Revision: 00H06000    Serial number: 90025100200149
       Coding: 0012342
       Shop #: WSC 02323 785 00200
       VCID: 275DE071963EC5063C-8072
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX 
       Component: E0221           H02 0100
    
    1 Fault Found:
    00886 - Turn Signal Switch (E2) 
                014 - Defective - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00101110
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 49
                        Mileage: 124079 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2015.10.11
                        Time: 23:22:13
    
    
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    Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels: 4F0-920-xxx-17.clb
       Part No SW: 4F0 920 901 M    HW: 4F0 920 901 M
       Component: KOMBIINSTR.   H08 0147  
       Revision: 00200000    Serial number: DGZ04DH2A     
       Coding: 8BD6120502000008020300
       Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
       VCID: 2C571F5D4FD8E65ED1-8078
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: 4F0-907-468.clb
       Part No SW: 4F0 907 468 M    HW: 4F0 907 468 F
       Component: GW-BEM 4CAN-M H06 0035  
       Revision: LB100029    Serial number: 2900L102190223
       Coding: 000303
       Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
       VCID: 39793609B08A43F65A-806C
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 915 181 C    HW: 8K0 915 181 C
       Component: J367-BDM  H07 0125 
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr (J136)       Labels: None
       Part No SW: 4F0 959 760 C    HW: 4F0 959 760 C
       Component: MEM-FS        H08 0062  
       Revision: AA000000    Serial number: 00001010068793
       Coding: 00581B00004011110000
       Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
       VCID: 31690E2968FA8BB6E2-8064
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels: 4F0-959-793.clb
       Part No SW: 4F0 959 793 R    HW: 8K0 959 793 D
       Component: TSG FA        H11 0250  
       Revision:             Serial number: 0000102964986 
       Coding: 011F57205E40410001
       Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
       VCID: 46834DF5F1743C0E27-8012
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 4F0-910-289.lbl
       Part No SW: 4F0 910 289 K    HW: 4F0 907 289 K
       Component: Komfortgeraet   H27 0220  
       Revision: 02200027    Serial number: 01271347550000
       Coding: 7764509
       Shop #: WSC 02156 785 00200
       VCID: 326B0125ADFCB0AE9B-8066
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
       Component: LIN BACKUP HORN H05 1501
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 4F: Centr. Electr. II        Labels: 4F0-910-280.lbl
       Part No SW: 4F0 910 280     HW: 4F0 907 280 C
       Component: ILM Beifahrer   H13 0100  
       Revision:             Serial number: 00000000629299
       Coding: 0002014
       Shop #: WSC 02323 785 00200
       VCID: 5EB3859589E444CE0F-800A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels: 4F0-959-792.clb
       Part No SW: 4F0 959 792 R    HW: 8K0 959 792 D
       Component: TSG BF        H11 0250  
       Revision:             Serial number: 0000102969936 
       Coding: 011F57205E40410001
       Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
       VCID: 45814AF9CC7237162E-8010
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 53: Parking Brake        Labels: 4F0-910-801.clb
       Part No SW: 4F0 910 801 D    HW: 4F0 907 801 B
       Component: EPB  CEFC0090   H05 0090  
       Revision: --H05---    
       Coding: 0000222
       Shop #: WSC 02145 785 00200
       VCID: 2149FE69F81A3B3672-8074
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 8P0-907-357.lbl
       Part No: 8P0 907 357 H
       Component: Dynamische LWR  H02 0010  
       Revision: 00000001    Serial number:               
       Coding: 0000003
       Shop #: WSC 02325 785 00200
       VCID: 3F8D58116EAE6DC664-806A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio (R)       Labels: Redir Fail!
       Part No SW: 4F0 035 082 A    HW: 4F0 035 082 
       Component: Radio U SIRIU H45 0021  
       Revision: AB001007    Serial number: 335BS0A7555215
       Coding: 020000020100000000
       Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
       VCID: 1D31C29904621FD656-8048
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels: None
       Part No SW: 4E0 035 648 A    HW: 4E0 035 648 
       Component: B-B-NA        H60 0117  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 322BB0BB000203
       Coding: 010000010102C1EF41000305EF6300030200
       Shop #: WSC 01676 002 1048576
       VCID: 2447F77D27082E1E19-8070
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 4L0 919 604     HW: 4L0 919 604 
       Component: DU6 Basic  H43 0306 
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 4F0 910 609 E    HW: 4F1 919 611 N
       Component: Bedienteil MM  H01 0060 
    
    1 Fault Found:
    02244 - Button in Control Head is Stuck 
                000 -  -  - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00100000
                        Fault Priority: 5
                        Fault Frequency: 2
                        Reset counter: 24
                        Mileage: 122582 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2015.08.12
                        Time: 12:47:44
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Voltage: 13.00 V
                        Bin. Bits: 10000000 00000000
                        Bin. Bits: 00000000 00000000
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 62: Door, Rear Left (J388)       Labels: 4F0-959-795.clb
       Part No SW: 4F0 959 795 M    HW: 8K0 959 795 B
       Component: TSG HL        H10 0251  
       Revision:             Serial number: 0000010173389 
       Coding: 010E57204040220001
       Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
       VCID: 438554E1C246092600-8016
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 6C: Back-up Cam.        Labels: 4L0-910-441.clb
       Part No SW: 4F0 910 441 D    HW: 4L0 907 441 B
       Component: J772__Rearview      0030  
       Revision: --H03---    Serial number: 525PA8-J02211W
       Coding: 1000205
       Shop #: WSC 02145 785 00200
       VCID: 2149FE69F81A3B3672-8074
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 6D: Trunk Elect.        Labels: Redir Fail!
       Part No SW: 4F9 910 591     HW: 4F9 827 851 G
       Component: ValeoHeckdeckel H29 0410  
       Revision: --H29001    Serial number: E5030000B     
       Shop #: WSC 98765 666 38354
       VCID: 6CD7DF5D4F58265E91-8038
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4F9 910 592 
       Component: ValeoHeckdeckel H29 0410
    
       Subsystem 2 - Serial number: E5030100B     
    
       Subsystem 3 - Serial number: RD20.02.10--H29001001C0023˙
    
       Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 1C0023˙
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 72: Door, Rear Right (J389)       Labels: 4F0-959-795.clb
       Part No SW: 4F0 959 795 M    HW: 8K0 959 795 B
       Component: TSG HR        H10 0251  
       Revision:             Serial number: 0000010177477 
       Coding: 010E57204040220001
       Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
       VCID: 438554E1C246092600-8016
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 76: Park Assist        Labels: 4Fx-910-283.lbl
       Part No SW: 4L0 910 283 B    HW: 4L0 919 283 B
       Component: Parkhilfe 4-Kan H02 0500  
       Revision: 00H02000    Serial number: 12331004201887
       Coding: 0021216
       Shop #: WSC 02323 785 00200
       VCID: 2959E649802AF3762A-807C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 03:21)--------------------------

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    This car was ordered without Tire Pressure Control. PR 7K0 !
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    How about call Audi dealer with VIN # or customer advocate at Audi headquarters customer care?

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    Depend on which system is fitted IF. If you have the direct system you will have different tyre pressure sensors in the wheel noted by a threaded tyre valve.

    Volkswagen Tyre Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS)

    It appear that Canada have the obligatory TMPS the same a USA. http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/motorvehicle...afety-1158.htm

    Even if your tyres are all 15psi the indirect system won't be alerted as the rotational speed will all be the same.

    I have 8 error codes for Tyre Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS):

    VAG 03159
    VAG 8392961, EOBD II C104C
    VAG 8397058, EOBD II C1050
    VAG 8397314, EOBD II C1051
    VAG 8397570, EOBD II C1052
    VAG 8397826, EOBD II C1053
    VAG 8400898, EOBD II C1054
    VAG 8400901, 8400904, EOBD II C1056
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keithuk View Post
    It appear that Canada have the obligatory TMPS the same a USA. http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/motorvehicle...afety-1158.htm
    Huh?

    The Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS) is not a manufacturing requirement on new vehicles sold in Canada, or on imported vehicles.
    Emphasis on the word "not" added by me.

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    Can I come out f the corner now for Milk time and take off this DUNCE hat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe View Post
    Huh?

    Emphasis on the word "not" added by me.

    The Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS) is not a manufacturing requirement on new vehicles sold in Canada, or on imported vehicles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keithuk View Post

    Even if your tyres are all 15psi the indirect system won't be alerted as the rotational speed will all be the same.
    I'm not so sure this is true for all systems. Case in point, installed snow tires with 17" rims on my 2015 GTI. About 12miles later, on second ignition key cycle, TPMS light came on. Huh, I double checked and all were set to the same pressure when installed. Drove home a little nervously, then read the owners manual.

    Owners manual specifically states that the indirect TPMS system must be reset when changing wheels and tires. Did that and all is good. So at least on this car, North American (USA) model, the indirect system is more sophisticated that just rotational speed discrepancies.

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    Correct, the FMVSS that apply are a performance-based standard and they demand that the system be able to identify a situation where all four tires are equally (but grossly) under-inflated. Exactly how an indirect system accomplishes this, I do not know, but the car manufacturers have to prove that it can in order to get these systems certified.

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    Could it be that there is a speed sensor on the transmission and this reading combined with wheel speed sensors and engine rpm for a given speed /gear ratio triggers it?

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