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    They said on the news today that it's Volvos turn now. They also failed an exhaust test by 15 times too high NOx.
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    http://jalopnik.com/heres-how-much-h...r-d-1734341446

    Here's How Much Horsepower Volkswagens Lose From Their Diesel Defeat Device

    David Tracy
    Filed to: DIESELGATE10/02/15 4:46pm

    Volkswagen’s up the creek with their Dieselgate fiasco. They created a “cheat” calibration meant to trick the EPA into thinking their cars are cleaner than they really are. But there might be a quick fix. Question is: how much will this fix cost you in performance?

    We’ve already told you that Volkswagen’s “fix” for their smog-inducing diesels will cost you performance, but how much performance are we talkin’ here?

    We can’t tell you exactly how much, but TFL Car put on its nerdy scientist hat and ran a quick and dirty experiment. They strapped a 2011 Jetta TDI to a dyno and produced power curves with only the front wheels spinning and then again with all four wheels spinning.

    Why did they do this? Well, we’ve shown you the basics on how the “dyno calibration” works. One input VW uses to determine if the car is on a dyno being emissions tested is the wheel speed sensors. If all four wheels are spinning, the ECU will read the sensors and think the car is probably on the road. If the rear wheels are stationary while the fronts are spinning, chances are the car is on a dyno, and that’s when Volkswagen activates cheater mode.

    By that logic, when tested on a four-wheel drive dyno with the rears spinning, the car should run normally and produce good power numbers, while on a two-wheel drive dyno with the rear wheels sitting still, there should be a performance degradation as the car activates its dubious “defeat mode.”

    TFL Car’s results show exactly that. Peak power between both sets of data looks about the same, but the real difference is low and mid-range torque. The biggest torque disparity occurs at about 2700 RPM, where the “non-cheater” data with all four wheels rolling showed a whopping 32 lb-ft more torque. The biggest difference in horsepower occurred at 2800 RPM— the uninhibited car made 15 more ponies.

    We don’t know how many tests TFL Car ran or if they truly were able to produce “apples-to-apples” torque curves, but if so, their numbers could indicate about how much power Volkswagen’s software fix is going to cost VW TDI owners.

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    The original source of the above tests:

    http://www.tflcar.com/2015/10/how-mu...-video-report/

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    Good info, but I refuse to click "Like".

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    The engineering problems are likely insurmountable. It would be like proposing to land a rocket booster section on a barge floating in the middle of the ocean.

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    That's based on entering my chassis number into the audi.de site.... UK one still not ready for VIN searches yet.

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    Audi UK site now live, showing same "Flash based" VIN checker that Audi.de has:

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    I've always wondered what the price of brand loyalty was for new car purchases. Guess I now know the answer from VW's perspective. Seems that your VW America has offered a $2000 loyalty discount on the purchase of a new vehicle for affected owners. Not quite sure that I understand what this means - but the headlight number is out there in the public domain. Is the $2,00 discount off the listed price, or is it applied on the price that is negotiated with the salesman?

    If the former, then it's a meaningless incentive - if the latter, then will VW just take their normal cut and the dealer has the incentive not to negotiate as sharp a price?

    VW Golf MkVII (MY13) - A3 8V hatch (MY17)

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    Returning Volkswagen owners may be eligible for a $2,000* Owner Loyalty Bonus toward the purchase or lease of a new, 2015 or 2016 Passat model. Gas models only.

    *For an individual or immediate family member residing at the same address as the individual (proof of residency required) who currently owns a Volkswagen vehicle (proof of ownership/registration is required). Limit one incentive per eligible VIN. Volkswagen of America, Inc. will pay a $2,000 Owner Loyalty Bonus toward the lease or purchase of a new, unused 2015 or 2016 Jetta, Passat, CC, Beetle, Beetle Convertible, Eos, Golf, Golf GTI, Golf R, e-Golf, Golf SportWagen, Tiguan, Touareg. Gas models only. No trade-in required. Offer is non-transferable. Loyalty Offer Bonus must be applied toward customer lease or purchase and is not redeemable for cash. Incentive paid to dealer and requires dealer participation. May not be combined with Volkswagen Fleet Incentives, Conquest, other Loyalty, or Dealership Employee Programs. Corporations, companies, businesses, and dealerships are not eligible. Fleet leasing, fleet management or dealer-affiliated fleet companies are not eligible. Offer ends November 2, 2015. See your local Volkswagen dealer for financing details or, for general product information, call 1-800-374-8389. 2015 Volkswagen of America, Inc.
    Hard to say how this works exactly. It seems to be in lieu of all other incentives. Since we don't know what other incentives may have been available, it's difficult to deduce exactly how much of a saving it will represent.
    The engineering problems are likely insurmountable. It would be like proposing to land a rocket booster section on a barge floating in the middle of the ocean.

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    Incentives on 2015 Passats are more like $5k now, and there's no pricing or way to order a 2016 currently. So unless/until they finally reveal the prices and options (at the very least before 11/2) on the Meh(R) 2016 SuperFresh edition, this is a worthless, borderline insulting offer.

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