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    More on the CABAL...........

    Let me fuckin question'em...........

    German industry fears image blow over cartel probe

    http://www.autonews.com/article/2017...r-cartel-probe

    Germany's auto industry fears its image will suffer another severe blow after EU antitrust authorities said they would investigate claims that BMW, Daimler and Volkswagen Group operated a cartel for parts such as emissions treatment systems and convertible roofs.
    The industry already is suffering damage to its reputation because of VW Group's emissions-cheating scandal. News of the cartel prompted the automakers' lobbying group, the VDA, to distance itself from its three key members.
    VDA President Matthias Wissmann said he was dismayed to hear the claims and he also made an appeal. This time it wasn’t the usual demand that the media stop sensationalizing. Instead, he is encouraging "objective discussion."
    Wissmann appeal was directed at the automakers at the center of the collusion claims, reminding them of their place in society. "The automobile industry with its technical innovations and financial success is an important part of Germany's image throughout the entire globe. It's our duty and responsibility to protect this reputation," he said.
    Wissmann said the German industry should now be asking itself critical questions more openly and also practicing "self-reflection," a significant change from an industry that until now has seemed to want to avoid tough questions.
    Working groups
    German magazine Der Spiegel first reported the cartel allegations. It claimed that 60 working groups from the three automakers, covering five brands, discussed pricing of components and technologies since the 1990s if not earlier, and more than 1,000 times in the past five years alone.
    As part of the discussions the automakers agreed to limit the size of tanks that contain AdBlue, a solution to reduce harmful NOx emissions from diesel engines, to 8 liters in size to save as much as 80 euros per vehicle, Spiegel said.
    Besides saving money, this also meant the automakers could more easily deceive regulators by claiming collectively that the tanks contained sufficient urea to clean up NOx emissions. Decisions by Audi, BMW and Mercedes over the past week to install new NOx-reducing software for older Euro 5 diesels suddenly could be seen in a different light.
    The collusion allegations also undermine a core argument of VW Group during its diesel scandal. Since the emissions crisis erupted in September 2015, VW maintained the implausible defense that executives did not know that 11 million diesel engines were rigged to cheat official emissions tests because examining millions of lines of software code in the engine was too banal a task for upper management.
    Industry watchers are debating whether the alleged collusion to be investigated by the EU is simply standardization, which is normal to develop common practices and components or a cartel to fix prices and cheat suppliers and consumers. BMW denied collusion and said talks with Daimler and VW over AdBlue tanks were about building a infrastructure of filling stations for the urea solution.
    Whichever it is, the VDA said "surfing in the legal gray areas" is just as unacceptable to its over 600 members as illegal collusion.
    The VDA is normally the biggest apologist for companies such as VW, Daimler and BMW. When the lobbying group automakers pay to defend them feels compelled to take the moral high ground, then the industry needs to take a close look at its practices.
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    Germans Are Too Hard on Their Automakers

    But was the automakers' behavior really so bad? They have long cooperated openly in some areas, such as buying windshield wipers, investing in mapping technology and building networks of charging stations for electric cars. Seeking consensus and compromise to avoid unreasonable expense is part of the German culture, not just German business practice. It's a trait that tempers competition and breeds national champions.
    Perhaps the German car industry should consolidate, creating Deutsche Automobil AG with the three firms' entire brand portfolio. Regulators would almost certainly require some divestments, but the advantage of formalizing all the open and open-secret cooperation might make it all worthwhile.
    Instead of moaning about the industry as a national disgrace, perhaps Germans should embrace the closer cooperation it needs to survive.
    There's more at the link, but I won't copy & paste the whole article, 'cause that would be a copyright violation.
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    The engineering problems are likely insurmountable. It would be like proposing to land a rocket booster section on a barge floating in the middle of the ocean.

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    Cooperation doesn't have to be a crime
    Naaaa not collusion at all.........

    It's a god dam conspiracy.............and their all in on it.......... including the captured agencies........!




    Germans Are Too Hard on Their Automakers


    But was the automakers' behavior really so bad? They have long cooperated openly in some areas, such as buying windshield wipers, investing in mapping technology and building networks of charging stations for electric cars. Seeking consensus and compromise to avoid unreasonable expense is part of the German culture, not just German business practice. It's a trait that tempers competition and breeds national champions.



    Perhaps the German car industry should consolidate, creating Deutsche Automobil AG with the three firms' entire brand portfolio. Regulators would almost certainly require some divestments, but the advantage of formalizing all the open and open-secret cooperation might make it all worthwhile.



    Instead of moaning about the industry as a national disgrace, perhaps Germans should embrace the closer cooperation it needs to survive.


    There's more at the link, but I won't copy & paste the whole article, 'cause that would be a copyright violation.
    Well some PR firm was paid a lot of money to orchestrate that article & as if the fountain pen writer was on the take........
    Was it the Clinton Foundation for law and crooked government?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack@European_Parts View Post
    Did KITT have an emissions "cheat" device?????




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    This is old but a fun watch.........I wonder if Toyota timed out on the wire fraud yet!

    https://videos.posttv.com/washpost-p...0_720_2000.mp4

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...=.1860c82e282f

    Toyota reaches $1.2 billion settlement to end probe of accelerator problems

    Toyota Motor lied to regulators, Congress and the public for years about the sudden acceleration of its vehicles, a deception that caused the world’s largest automaker on Wednesday to be hit with a $1.2 billion Justice Department fine.
    Prosecutors say Toyota’s efforts to conceal the problem and protect its corporate image led to a series of fatalities that could have been prevented. The settlement, which amounts to more than a third of Toyota’s 2013 profit, is being called the largest criminal penalty imposed on a car company in U.S. history.
    Toyota says in the settlement that it misled Americans by making deceptive statements about the safety problems that caused its vehicles to speed up uncontrollably, a stark admission for a company that has built its brand on safety and reliability. Early on, Toyota suggested that driver error was to blame, saying that some people may have hit the gas when they meant to hit the brake. Even after issuing recalls to address problematic floor mats that in some cases pinned down accelerators, the company hid a flawed gas pedal design that it knew did the same thing, according to documents accompanying the agreement.
    The deal is a victory for the government and could serve as a model for a case against General Motors, which is under investigation by Congress, safety regulators and federal prosecutors for taking more than a decade to issue a recall for an ignition-switch problem it has linked to 31 accidents and 12 deaths.

    “Companies that make inherently dangerous products must be maximally transparent, not two-faced,” said Preet Bharara, U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York, who led the Toyota investigation and — according to a law enforcement source who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the topic — has launched a preliminary criminal probe of GM. “That is why we have undertaken this enforcement action. And the entire auto industry should take notice.”
    Safety fears erupted around some of Toyota’s most popular models in 2009, when California Highway Patrol officer Mark Saylor and three family members were killed in a high-speed crash caused by the unintended acceleration of his car. The terrifying episode was captured in a 911 emergency call in which Saylor’s brother-in-law described speeding out of control in a Lexus at more than 125 mph before the car crashed, killing all four occupants.

    Relatives of the Saylor family, who settled a case against Toyota for an undisclosed amount in 2010, declined through their attorney to comment on the new settlement.
    After the accident, Toyota eventually recalled millions of vehicles — one of the largest recalls in the history of the automotive industry. But federal prosecutors found that the company had not come completely clean.
    The company assured the public that the “root cause” of unintended acceleration had been addressed by the recall, blaming floor mats that accidentally trapped the depressed gas pedals of cars and trucks.
    But Toyota knew that models it had not recalled had similar floor-mat problems, the agreement said. Also, the company hid from federal regulators a second cause of unintended acceleration in its vehicles: a sticky gas pedal.
    The problem was caused by plastic material inside the pedal that could cause the accelerator to become stuck in a partially depressed position. The pedals were installed in several models, including the Camry, the Matrix, the Corolla and the Avalon.

    The problem had surfaced in Toyota vehicles in Europe in 2008, causing instances of uncontrolled acceleration. In early 2009, the company gave European Toyota distributors information about the sticky pedals along with instructions to replace them if customers complained.


    “Rather than promptly disclosing and correcting safety issues about which they were aware, Toyota made misleading public statements to consumers and gave inaccurate facts to members of Congress,” Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. said at a news conference announcing the settlement.
    As part of the deal, Toyota has entered into what is called a *deferred-prosecution agreement that gives federal prosecutors the right to pursue criminal charges if the carmaker fails to live up to the agreement, according to the department.
    The automaker must acknowledge the facts of the government’s case and have an independent monitor review its safety practices. None of its employees will face criminal charges.
    Christopher P. Reynolds, chief legal officer at Toyota Motor North America, said the company took full responsibility for the effects of its actions on consumers at the time of the recalls.
    “We have made fundamental changes across our global operations to become a more responsive company,” he said in a statement. “Entering this agreement, while difficult, is a major step toward putting this unfortunate chapter behind us.”
    In addition to the $1.2 billion fine, which will go into the government’s coffers, Toyota faces nearly 400 wrongful-death and personal-injury lawsuits. It has settled at least seven lawsuits in the past few months.
    “The Justice Department settlement with Toyota is a complete game-changer,” said Clarence Ditlow, executive director of the Center for Auto Safety, a watchdog group. “Until today, automakers faced insignificant fines and no criminal penalties under the Vehicle Safety Act. Today’s fine of $1.2 billion against Toyota makes the $35 million maximum fine that [federal regulators] can impose seem like chump change.”
    Still, critics of the settlement say the hefty fine means little as long as no executives face jail time. The facts of the case describe a level of coordinated lying and greed that warrants stiffer punishment, they say.
    “Money as a deterrent is of no consequence to these overpaid and overindulged individuals, as the companies are flush with cash,” said David H. Peirez, a partner at the law firm of Reisman, Peirez, Reisman and Capobianco. “Deferred-prosecution agreements are a joke — all they defer is a jail sentence, but not the next recall.”


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    Former VW owner still waiting for $20K after selling car back to company

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    MUSKEGON COUNTY, MICH. - Late in 2016, a federal judge approved an agreement between Volkswagen and the U.S. government. The agreement cleared the way for Volkswagen to either buy back, or fix around 80,000 diesel cars sold in the U.S.
    That agreement cleared the way for customers to begin selling cars included in the massive Volkswagen emissions cheating scandal back to the German auto maker.
    The company is expected to deliver a $10 billion settlement to cover government fines and compensate owners of vehicles fitted with software that cheated emissions standards.
    Related: EPA accuses Fiat Chrysler of cheating emissions laws
    Each day in the U.S., hundreds of diesel Volkswagen vehicles are returned to dealerships. That includes a few each day to the My Auto Import Center in Muskegon.
    VW owners selling diesel vehicles back to the company are paid in one of two ways, either by check or by electronic fund transfer.
    Charles Deupree of Whitehall returned his silver 2011 VW Jetta last week.
    It was last year when Deupree first heard the federal government was looking into certain diesel vehicles made by Volkswagen.
    "I said 'oh my I think that's my car'," said Deupree.
    He learned the Jetta he owned had software that made it appear more environmentally friendly than it actually was.
    Deupree says the process of selling his Jetta back to Volkswagen was mostly easy.
    He drove the car to his local VW dealership and worked directly with an employee assigned to work from the My Auto Import Center's Muskegon facility.
    "I have no complaints with My Auto," Deupree said Thursday morning.
    Deupree left the car at the dealership and went home with a pledge from the Volkswagen agent.
    "She said I would get an E.F.T. form by email in 24-hours," said Dupree. The email with the electronic fund transfer form is key, it's how customers who choose that option activate the transfer of money from a Volkswagen account into his or her own banking account.
    VW paperwork shows Deupree is owed $20,146.73. "Realistically, the buyback was fair," said Deupree.
    One week after the sale and he still hasn't hear from Volkswagen.
    "I look at my phone every hour and I am getting tired of it," said Deupree.
    Even after the email arrives, Deupree was told to expect the transfer to take three business days.
    "Now we are talking two weeks," he said. "They have my car, they have the title, the car is actually not even at the dealership anymore, and I have no money."
    Deupree says the Volkswagen agent stationed at the dealership couldn't provide him with an explanation for the delay. And he wonders if other VW owners are experiencing similar delays in getting paid by the company.
    Now Deupree wishes he could go back and select the check option. He assumed electronic fund transfer would be smooth.
    "I think I'm going to get paid, well I hope I get paid," said Deupree.
    Following the emissions cheating scandal, Deupree no longer has faith in Volkswagen. He was so disappointed, he replaced his recalled VW with a Subaru.
    The Volkswagen agent placed at My Auto Import Center was not able to comment about the issue.
    Calls were placed to a VW spokesperson the agent said would answer further questions, but e-mails and voice messages have not yet been returned.
    Late Thursday afternoon, after making those efforts Charles Deupree called back to say he just received the e-mail he had been waiting for.
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    Pop secret huh.........?




    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/vw-ap...181606390.html


    VW's Diesel Emissions Scandal Continues As Secret German Site Is Uncovered



    Volkswagen's (VLKAY) troubles continue in regards to its emissions scandal after a secret German site has been uncovered relating to the case.
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    Volkswagen’s VLKAY troubles continue in regards to its emissions scandal after a secret German site has been uncovered relating to the case. Meanwhile, U.S. prosecutors are pursuing a three-year prison sentence for a VW engineer who had a key role in the scandal.
    Back in September 2015, Volkswagen admitted to installing secret software in diesel cars to cheat nitrogen oxide emissions tests. As many as 11 million vehicles worldwide had the secret software in place to make them appear cleaner than they were.
    It is now uncovered that Volkswagen operated a top-secret site at its Wolfsburg, German headquarters to test the diesel technology. According to Bloomberg, the facility had unusually tight security rules that prevented access to those not involved in the project, demonstrating the lengths the company went to conceal their actions.
    Volkswagen has previously maintained that the software manipulations had been isolated to a small group of rogue engineers. This newly uncovered test site, however, and its close proximity to the offices of top executives, shows that senior executives may have known more than they have previously admitted to.
    Meanwhile, U.S. prosecutors said on Friday that they will seek a three-year prison sentence for Robert Liang, one of two Volkswagen employees to plead guilty in the scheme. Liang pleaded guilty last year to one count of conspiracy to defraud the government. He is scheduled to be sentenced Friday in federal court in Detroit.
    Prosecutors claim that Liang was aware that Volkswagen was installing software to cheat U.S. emission rules on nearly 600,000 diesel vehicles. The government said he wasn’t the mastermind but took part in “pivotal events.”
    Liang has asked the judge to sentence him to probation and 1,500 hours of community service instead. His lawyer argues that he is not “greedy or immoral” but simply went along in order to keep his job and provide for his family.
    Early this year, Volkswagen agreed to a $4.3 billion settlement with U.S. regulators to resolve the 2015 scandal. However, these two new stories today suggest the scandal won’t die down anytime soon.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebastian View Post
    If they go after VW, then they need to go after everybody else as well - this has been an industry standard for as long as I can remember. Besides, the article is false - it's not a device. At best it's a piece of the software that detects the standardized drive cycle and adjusts parameters accordingly to meet the requirements. Have you ever wondered why the gas mileage listed for your car is tough/impossible to reach? Same thing...
    here here.........................

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    https://jalopnik.com/vw-made-its-def...ran-1786442999

    VW Made Its Defeat Device More Potent To Save On Warranty Repairs: Court Docs

    In the court documents charging Volkswagen engineer James Robert Liang with fraud for developing VW’s diesel emission cheat, exists a small section about a software update in 2014. It alleges VW made its cars even more harmful to the environment just so the company could save on warranty costs.

    The plea agreement claims Liang and “co-conspirators” made the defeat device more “effective” because emissions control components started failing and costing the company money. The plea agreement reads:

    As VW’s “clean diesel” vehicles in the United States began to age, they experienced higher rates of warranty claims for parts and components related to emissions control systems. Some of LIANG’s coconspirators believed that the increased claims were a result of the vehicle operating in testing mode too long rather than switching to “road mode.”
    It goes on:

    Because of these increased claims, LIANG worked with his co-conspirators to enhance the defeat device to allow the vehicle to more easily recognize when the vehicle was no longer in testing mode.
    And the indictment alleges how Liang and others adjusted the software:


    Liang and his co-conspirators falsely and fraudulently told, and caused others to tell, U.S. customers and other that a software update in about 2014 was intended to improve the vehicles when, in fact, LIANG and his conspirators knew that the update used the steering wheel angle of the vehicle as a basis to more easily detect when the vehicle was undergoing emissions tests, thereby improving the defeat device’s precision in order to reduce the stress on the emissions control systems.
    That’s absurd. According to these court documents, engineers at VW had the audacity to issue a software update to customers that dialed down emissions control usage and spewed more NOx into the environment, just so the company could save a buck.

    This also essentially confirms the answer to the question we so often hear – “Why doesn’t Volkswagen just keep ‘testing mode’ on all the time?” Apparently doing so would cause the cars to fall apart.

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    /\ Old news article tell me something new...........

    Yeah and adds to my findings as to how the CAT readiness monitor test was being effected because when they did this it was right around the time the cars couldn't get an inspection sticker or as I have mentioned from my report to the EPA.

    At that point, states had just begun hooking up to the OBD in order to qualify an inspection in NYS........and they were failing!

    Car would run with no DTC's and a monitor not complete and a monitor for the CAT which was non existent on the VAG side or VCDS, unless in the actual OBD2 specification's to be observed.

    Ahhh but what do I know ....... no one listened to me when I reported the DTC created by the ABS causing an MIL in 2008> 3 years forward or in 2013.......
    Ever wonder why the update in the chart for CBEA is so vague on " OBD Optimization" 03L-906-022KS in the very beginning? That was me!

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