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    8J TT convertible flap output test not working

    Hi
    I have vcds 14.10.2 running and wish to Adapt Flap Motors on my 8J Audi tt convertible roof (26)
    With the roof stowed when I attempt to run flap Output Tests they dont move but test just reports 'ON'
    I have cleared all dtcs, power cycled ignition and laptop, even tried a different pc all to no avail.
    The indicator lamp test work as does other controller tests eg windows
    The roof itself is working ok too so you could say I don't need to run Adaption but why won't it work?
    Do i need a different lbl file or security code perchance
    Cheers, John

    Measuring block data

    Address 26: Auto Roof (8J7 959 255 B)
    >
    > 15:11:27 Group 001: Convertible Top Status (Actual)
    > 11010 Convertible Top Status
    > 1010 Convertible Top Flap Status
    > 39.0 Conv. Top Flap Sensor Left (G596)
    > 43.0 Conv. Top Flap Sensor Right (G597)
    >
    > 15:11:27 Group 007: Convertible Top Flap Sensors (Status: Closed)
    > 164.0 Sw. Thresh. (closed) Flap Left (G596)
    > 39.0 Conv. Top Flap Sensor Left (G596)
    > 167.0 Sw. Thresh. (closed) Flap Right (G597)
    > 43.0 Conv. Top Flap Sensor Right (G597)
    >
    > 15:11:27 Group 008: Convertible Top Flap Sensor (Status: Open)
    > 46.0 Sw. Thresh. (open) Flap Left (G596)
    > 39.0 Conv. Top Flap Sensor Left (G596)
    > 53.0 Sw. Thresh. (open) Flap Right (G597)
    > 43.0 Conv. Top Flap Sensor Right (G597)
    >
    > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    >
    >
    > Address 26: Auto Roof (8J7 959 255 B)
    >
    > 15:11:43 Group 001: Convertible Top Status (Actual)
    > 01001 Convertible Top Status
    > 0101 Convertible Top Flap Status
    > 177.0 Conv. Top Flap Sensor Left (G596)
    > 177.0 Conv. Top Flap Sensor Right (G597)
    >
    > 15:11:43 Group 007: Convertible Top Flap Sensors (Status: Closed)
    > 165.0 Sw. Thresh. (closed) Flap Left (G596)
    > 177.0 Conv. Top Flap Sensor Left (G596)
    > 167.0 Sw. Thresh. (closed) Flap Right (G597)
    > 177.0 Conv. Top Flap Sensor Right (G597)
    >
    > 15:11:43 Group 008: Convertible Top Flap Sensor (Status: Open)
    > 46.0 Sw. Thresh. (open) Flap Left (G596)
    > 177.0 Conv. Top Flap Sensor Left (G596)
    > 53.0 Sw. Thresh. (open) Flap Right (G597)
    > 177.0 Conv. Top Flap Sensor Right (G597)
    >

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    Arrgh - I now realise that was what I should have done first - doh!

    Ok - see scan results below - including intermittent errors from flaps ??!
    Not worried about other codes for now.

    So I tried left and right Flap output tests with fault codes as listed, then I cleared fault codes and retried - both times with same results

    Flaps failed to shift and simply report ON - (with engine running or off)

    I note that amongst other issues wolfmanjack couldn't get his flaps to move either
    http://forums.ross-tech.com/showthre...rror-Auto-Roof

    I am using Micro-CAN and aiming to follow http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index...Automatic_Roof

    What does the 'Convertible Top Flap Initialisation' Output Test do? Or do I have to subscribe to erWin for that?

    I'm wondering if the only control module 26 output test I can get to run is the indication lamp?

    Cheers, John
    PS Roof still operating fine - touch wood






    Code:
    Tuesday,28,July,2015,10:40:59:19372
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator
    VCDS Version: 14.10.2.0
    Data version: 20150311
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    
    VIN: TRUZZZ8J891013414   License Plate: A10JST
    Mileage: 53690km-33361mi   Repair Order: jly28
    
    
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    Chassis Type: 8J (1K0)
    Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 22 25 26 42 44 46 47 52 56 77
    
    VIN: TRUZZZ8J891013414   Mileage: 53690km-33361miles
    
    01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
    22-AWD -- Status: OK 0000
    25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
    26-Auto Roof -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    44-Steering Assist -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
    47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
    56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
    77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine (CBB)       Labels: 03L-906-022-CBA.clb
       Part No SW: 03L 906 022 DH    HW: 03L 906 022 BQ
       Component: R4 2,0L EDC 0000SG  3133  
       Revision: 13H01---    Serial number: AUX7Z0H6FNL07T
       Coding: 0000172
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: 6EFD20F679DCA9518C3-803B
    
    No fault code found.
    Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0 
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 8J0-614-517.clb
       Part No SW: 8J0 614 517 A    HW: 8J0 614 517 A
       Component: ESP MK60E1          0010  
       Revision: 00H60001    
       Coding: 0083827
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: 2B7BE9E28A4E9C79EBD-807E
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01309 - Power Steering Control Module (J500) 
                008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00101000
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 228
                        Mileage: 53534 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2015.07.22
                        Time: 15:16:58
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Count: 128
                        Count: 773
                        Count: 8212
                        Count: 46336
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: None
       Part No SW: 8J0 820 043 AG    HW: 8J0 820 043 AG
       Component: J255  Klima 1 Zone  0080  
       Revision: 00H08006    Serial number: 00000001104173
       Coding: 1049876
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: 6BFB29E24ACE5C79ABD-803E
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 8P0-907-279-30-H.lbl
       Part No SW: 8P0 907 279 N    HW: 8P0 907 279 N
       Component: Bordnetz-SG     H54 2801  
       Revision: 00H54000    Serial number: 00000008796698
       Coding: 01000E8280141C804F1800001800000000085E075C210802000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: 48B1B66E3BF85761E6F-801D
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8J2 955 119 A  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
       Component: Wischer AU354   H08 0070  
       Coding: 00064784
       Shop #: WSC 01236  
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 8J0-959-655.lbl
       Part No SW: 8J0 959 655     HW: 8J0 959 655 
       Component: -t Airbag 9.43  H02 0020  
       Revision: 93H02002    Serial number: 0036K0031V7S  
       Coding: 0011636
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: 79D703AA3092FEE9291-802C
    
       Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332DRB40781D3A1Q
    
       Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342DRB407A4051FQ
    
       Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 63747RB403F61E2BZ
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 8P0-953-549-F.lbl
       Part No SW: 8P0 953 549 F    HW: 8P0 953 549 F
       Component: J0527           H36 0070  
       Coding: 0003011
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: 41A7AB4A18C26629211-8014
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX 
       Component: E0221           H06 0030
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 8J0-920-xxx-17-MY8.clb
       Part No SW: 8J0 920 980 B    HW: 8J0 920 980 B
       Component: KOMBIINSTR. VDO H13 0330  
       Revision: D0H13005    Serial number: 2246H005001212
       Coding: 0005428
       Shop #: WSC 05842 002 1048576
       VCID: 3041FE8EA368FFA1DEF-8065
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 1K0-907-530-V3.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 Q    HW: 1K0 907 951 
       Component: J533__Gateway   H16 0202  
       Revision:   H16       Serial number: 2700K086268624
       Coding: E9821F261006025101
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: 354FCF9A5C0ADA898D9-8060
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 22: AWD        Labels: 0AY-907-554-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 0BR 907 554 A    HW: 0BR 907 554 A
       Component: Haldex 4Motion      3016  
       Coding: 0000005
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 43ABA14202DE743933D-8016
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
       Part No SW: 8J0 920 980 B    HW: 8J0 920 980 B
       Component: KOMBIINSTR. VDO H13 0330  
       Revision: D0H13005    Serial number: AUX7Z0H6FNL07T
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 3041FE8EA368FFA1DEF-8065
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 26: Auto Roof        Labels: 8J7-959-255.lbl
       Part No: 8J7 959 255 B
       Component: 256 VSG TT      H14 0110  
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 3E5DD0B6693C19D15C3-806B
    
    2 Faults Found:
    03246 - Sensor for Canopy Flap; Left (G596) 
                008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00101000
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 3
                        Mileage: 53503 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2015.07.21
                        Time: 15:02:52
    
    03247 - Sensor for Canopy Flap; Right (G597) 
                008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00101000
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 3
                        Mileage: 53503 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2015.07.21
                        Time: 15:02:51
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 8P0-959-801-MIN3.lbl
       Part No SW: 8J7 959 801 E    HW: 8J7 959 801 E
       Component: Tuer-SG         H02 0060  
       Coding: 0000565
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: 3E5DD0B6693C19D15C3-806B
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01034 - Electric Window Thermal Protection Active; Driver 
                000 -  -  - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
       Part No: 8J0 909 144 C
       Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 236    2302  
       Revision: 00H15000    
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: 3041FE8EA368FFA1DEF-8065
    
    1 Fault Found:
    16347 - Control Module - EEPROM Error 
                005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00100101
                        Fault Priority: 1
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 50
                        Time Indication: 0
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Voltage: 8.50 V
                            PD
                        Temperature: 31.0C
                        Speed: 50.0 km/h
                        Torque: 0.0 Nm
                        Torque: 0.000 Nm
                            Term 15 On
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 8J0-959-433.lbl
       Part No: 8J0 959 433 B
       Component:    KSG          H11 0080  
       Coding: 1890300241182D098505489AD633
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: 354FCF9A5C0ADA898D9-8060
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
       Component: LIN BACKUP HORN H03 1301
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 8J0 951 177 
       Component: DWA-Sensor      H03 0020
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 47: Sound System        Labels: 8J0-035-223.lbl
       Part No SW: 8J0 035 223 D    HW: 8J0 035 223 D
       Component: J525 Amp High   H04 0150  
       Revision: PROD_01     Serial number: 00000000103096
       Coding: 0136133
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: 256F1FDAECAAAA093D9-8070
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MIN3.lbl
       Part No SW: 8J7 959 802 E    HW: 8J7 959 802 E
       Component: Tuer-SG         H02 0060  
       Coding: 0000564
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: 3FA3ADB26E3610D9575-806A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio        Labels: 8J0-035-1xx-56.clb
       Part No SW: 8J0 035 195 G    HW: 8J0 035 195 G
       Component: R Symphony2+    H07 0270  
       Revision: 00H07000    Serial number: AUZ1Z4H7169788
       Coding: 0730301
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: 3041FE8EA368FFA1DEF-8065
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 77: Telephone        Labels: 8P0-862-335.lbl
       Part No SW: 8P0 862 335 N    HW: 8P0 862 335 N
       Component: FSE_256x BT     H34 0520  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 00000005024601
       Coding: 0001202
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: 41A7AB4A18C26629211-8014
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 01:29)--------------------------
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
     
    Address 26: DTCs cleared
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    Chassis Type: 8J (1K0)
    Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 22 25 26 42 44 46 47 52 56 77
    
    VIN: TRUZZZ8J891013414   Mileage: 53690km-33361miles
    
    01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
    22-AWD -- Status: OK 0000
    25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
    26-Auto Roof -- Status: OK 0000
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    44-Steering Assist -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
    47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
    56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
    77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine (CBB)       Labels: 03L-906-022-CBA.clb
       Part No SW: 03L 906 022 DH    HW: 03L 906 022 BQ
       Component: R4 2,0L EDC 0000SG  3133  
       Revision: 13H01---    Serial number: AUX7Z0H6FNL07T
       Coding: 0000172
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: 6EFD20F679DCA9518C3-803B
    
    No fault code found.
    Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0 
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 8J0-614-517.clb
       Part No SW: 8J0 614 517 A    HW: 8J0 614 517 A
       Component: ESP MK60E1          0010  
       Revision: 00H60001    
       Coding: 0083827
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: 2B7BE9E28A4E9C79EBD-807E
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01309 - Power Steering Control Module (J500) 
                008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00101000
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 228
                        Mileage: 53534 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2015.07.22
                        Time: 15:16:58
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Count: 128
                        Count: 773
                        Count: 8212
                        Count: 46336
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: None
       Part No SW: 8J0 820 043 AG    HW: 8J0 820 043 AG
       Component: J255  Klima 1 Zone  0080  
       Revision: 00H08006    Serial number: 00000001104173
       Coding: 1049876
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: 6BFB29E24ACE5C79ABD-803E
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 8P0-907-279-30-H.lbl
       Part No SW: 8P0 907 279 N    HW: 8P0 907 279 N
       Component: Bordnetz-SG     H54 2801  
       Revision: 00H54000    Serial number: 00000008796698
       Coding: 01000E8280141C804F1800001800000000085E075C210802000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: 48B1B66E3BF85761E6F-801D
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8J2 955 119 A  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
       Component: Wischer AU354   H08 0070  
       Coding: 00064784
       Shop #: WSC 01236  
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 8J0-959-655.lbl
       Part No SW: 8J0 959 655     HW: 8J0 959 655 
       Component: -t Airbag 9.43  H02 0020  
       Revision: 93H02002    Serial number: 0036K0031V7S  
       Coding: 0011636
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: 79D703AA3092FEE9291-802C
    
       Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332DRB40781D3A1Q
    
       Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342DRB407A4051FQ
    
       Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 63747RB403F61E2BZ
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 8P0-953-549-F.lbl
       Part No SW: 8P0 953 549 F    HW: 8P0 953 549 F
       Component: J0527           H36 0070  
       Coding: 0003011
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: 41A7AB4A18C26629211-8014
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX 
       Component: E0221           H06 0030
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 8J0-920-xxx-17-MY8.clb
       Part No SW: 8J0 920 980 B    HW: 8J0 920 980 B
       Component: KOMBIINSTR. VDO H13 0330  
       Revision: D0H13005    Serial number: 2246H005001212
       Coding: 0005428
       Shop #: WSC 05842 002 1048576
       VCID: 3041FE8EA368FFA1DEF-8065
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 1K0-907-530-V3.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 Q    HW: 1K0 907 951 
       Component: J533__Gateway   H16 0202  
       Revision:   H16       Serial number: 2700K086268624
       Coding: E9821F261006025101
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: 354FCF9A5C0ADA898D9-8060
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 22: AWD        Labels: 0AY-907-554-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 0BR 907 554 A    HW: 0BR 907 554 A
       Component: Haldex 4Motion      3016  
       Coding: 0000005
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 43ABA14202DE743933D-8016
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
       Part No SW: 8J0 920 980 B    HW: 8J0 920 980 B
       Component: KOMBIINSTR. VDO H13 0330  
       Revision: D0H13005    Serial number: AUX7Z0H6FNL07T
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 3041FE8EA368FFA1DEF-8065
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 26: Auto Roof        Labels: 8J7-959-255.lbl
       Part No: 8J7 959 255 B
       Component: 256 VSG TT      H14 0110  
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 3E5DD0B6693C19D15C3-806B
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 8P0-959-801-MIN3.lbl
       Part No SW: 8J7 959 801 E    HW: 8J7 959 801 E
       Component: Tuer-SG         H02 0060  
       Coding: 0000565
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: 3E5DD0B6693C19D15C3-806B
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01034 - Electric Window Thermal Protection Active; Driver 
                000 -  -  - Intermittent
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
       Part No: 8J0 909 144 C
       Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 236    2302  
       Revision: 00H15000    
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: 3041FE8EA368FFA1DEF-8065
    
    1 Fault Found:
    16347 - Control Module - EEPROM Error 
                005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00100101
                        Fault Priority: 1
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 50
                        Time Indication: 0
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Voltage: 8.50 V
                            PD
                        Temperature: 31.0C
                        Speed: 50.0 km/h
                        Torque: 0.0 Nm
                        Torque: 0.000 Nm
                            Term 15 On
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 8J0-959-433.lbl
       Part No: 8J0 959 433 B
       Component:    KSG          H11 0080  
       Coding: 1890300241182D098505489AD633
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: 354FCF9A5C0ADA898D9-8060
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
       Component: LIN BACKUP HORN H03 1301
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 8J0 951 177 
       Component: DWA-Sensor      H03 0020
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 47: Sound System        Labels: 8J0-035-223.lbl
       Part No SW: 8J0 035 223 D    HW: 8J0 035 223 D
       Component: J525 Amp High   H04 0150  
       Revision: PROD_01     Serial number: 00000000103096
       Coding: 0136133
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: 256F1FDAECAAAA093D9-8070
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MIN3.lbl
       Part No SW: 8J7 959 802 E    HW: 8J7 959 802 E
       Component: Tuer-SG         H02 0060  
       Coding: 0000564
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: 3FA3ADB26E3610D9575-806A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio        Labels: 8J0-035-1xx-56.clb
       Part No SW: 8J0 035 195 G    HW: 8J0 035 195 G
       Component: R Symphony2+    H07 0270  
       Revision: 00H07000    Serial number: AUZ1Z4H7169788
       Coding: 0730301
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: 3041FE8EA368FFA1DEF-8065
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 77: Telephone        Labels: 8P0-862-335.lbl
       Part No SW: 8P0 862 335 N    HW: 8P0 862 335 N
       Component: FSE_256x BT     H34 0520  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 00000005024601
       Coding: 0001202
       Shop #: WSC 01236 785 00200
       VCID: 41A7AB4A18C26629211-8014
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 01:27)--------------------------
    
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    Address 03: DTCs cleared
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    Address 44: DTCs cleared
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
                    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver       Labels: 8P0-959-801-MIN3.lbl
    Control Module Part Number: 8J7 959 801 E    HW: 8J7 959 801 E
      Component and/or Version: Tuer-SG         H02 0060
               Software Coding: 0000565
                Work Shop Code: WSC 01236 785 00200
                          VCID: 3E5DD0B6693C19D15C3-806B
    1 Fault Found:
    
    01034 - Electric Window Thermal Protection Active; Driver 
                000 -  -  - Intermittent
    
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    Address 42: DTCs cleared

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    Latest state of play is that today I was unable to raise the roof.

    Turned out there had been a problem with left flap

    Code:
    Saturday,01,August,2015,13:19:03:19372
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows XP x86
    VCDS Version: 15.7.0.1
    Data version: 20150729
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    VIN: TRUZZZ8J891013414   License Plate: 
    Mileage: 53730km-33386mi   Repair Order: 
    
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    Chassis Type: 8J (1K0)
    Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 22 25 26 42 44 46 47 52 56 77
    
    VIN: TRUZZZ8J891013414   Mileage: 53730km-33386miles
    
    01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
    04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
    22-AWD -- Status: OK 0000
    25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
    26-Auto Roof -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
    44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
    47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
    56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
    77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000
     
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    Address 26: Auto Roof        Labels: 8J7-959-255.lbl
       Part No: 8J7 959 255 B
       Component: 256 VSG TT      H14 0110  
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 3E5DD0B6693C19CE64-806A
    
    1 Fault Found:
    03246 - Sensor for Canopy Flap; Left (G596) 
                008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00101000
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 3
                        Mileage: 53730 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2015.08.01
                        Time: 12:52:08
    
    
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    I accept that I may reach the point where I need to replace the flap motor, they are recognised as troublesome, but I was able to get things working again as follows:

    First I cleared the Module 26 DTC

    Next I ran left and right flap output tests (but the flaps never moved)

    Lastly I ran 'Convertible Top Flap Initialisation' - this was greyed out before I tried the flap tests and isn't mentioned in your Adaption guidelines.

    It all seemed to recover the situation and the roof is working again.

    I'm now wondering if your Adaption guidelines work for non North American cars?

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    Those control modules aren't significantly different so I don't believe the Wiki procedure or Output test function would vary from market to market. I don't have any first hand experience with this roof system but I dug up NAR TPI 2018777/7 to refresh my memory:

    It points to TPI 2015779/7 (Convertible top adjustment options) to diagnose/repair mechanical adjustment issues followed by the VAS test plan (Output Test sequence) and notes the complete convertible top run must be completed before exiting the Output Test sequence.

    The only thing I'm not entirely sure about is the VCDS operation "Convertible Top Flap Initialisation" because that's the one I have had success with based on the phone support ticket feedback. If you haven't used that function alone please do at some point followed by the roof cycle to see if the DTC clears at that point.

    Either way, this may happen after low battery voltage alone in some cases but the latest/greatest revised parts couldn't hurt at some point to avoid reoccurring problems.
    Last edited by Dana; 08-10-2015 at 09:32 AM. Reason: ST?ID=49865 | ST?ID=27240

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    After some digging I edited the Audi TT (8J)Automatic Roof page.

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    Thanks Dana, I noted your changes to the Auto Roof page and followed

    [Select]
    [26 - Auto Roof]
    [Output Tests - 03]
    [Select] Selective Output Tests
    [Choose]Convertible Top Flap Initialisation
    [Start]
    Operate the Convertible Top throughout a complete Open/Close sequence BEFORE exiting the Output Test function.
    [Done, Go Back]
    [Close Controller, Go Back - 06]


    The bad news is that you cannot operate the roof with Top Flap Initialisation Test Started, it seems to lock it out.

    Repeated fast operation of the switch gets it to stutter into life as if it's controller is busy occupied running .

    Stopping the test allows one to open/close the roof ok.

    However from looking at the measuring block data taken before running 'initialisation and later afterwards it seems it may have had some effect as the 'open flap' voltage threshold has changed and, after all, setting the threshold voltages that signal flaps open/closed is I guess what the initialisation/adaption is all about.


    Code:
    Tuesday,11,August,2015,18:36:31:19372
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x86
    VCDS Version: 15.7.0.1
    Data version: 20150729
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    Dealer/Shop Name: Fairfield
    
    VIN:    License Plate: A10JST
    Mileage:    Repair Order: 11
    
    
    
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    Measuring blocks taken with roof closed/up and flaps open
    motors signal voltage 41/45 - below 50/55v 'open' threshold
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
                    Address 26: Auto Roof  (8J7 959 255 B)
    
    18:35:55 Group 007: Convertible Top Flap Sensors (Status: Closed)
      164.0  Sw. Thresh. (closed) Flap Left (G596)
      41.0  Conv. Top Flap Sensor Left (G596)
      167.0  Sw. Thresh. (closed) Flap Right (G597)
      45.0  Conv. Top Flap Sensor Right (G597)
    
    18:35:55 Group 008: Convertible Top Flap Sensor (Status: Open)
      50.0  Sw. Thresh. (open) Flap Left (G596)
      41.0  Conv. Top Flap Sensor Left (G596)
      55.0  Sw. Thresh. (open) Flap Right (G597)
      45.0  Conv. Top Flap Sensor Right (G597)
    
    
    
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    Measuring blocks taken with roof open/down and flaps closed
    motors signal voltage 174/175 above 162/165v 'closed' threshold
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                    Address 26: Auto Roof  (8J7 959 255 B)
    
    18:36:59 Group 007: Convertible Top Flap Sensors (Status: Closed)
      162.0  Sw. Thresh. (closed) Flap Left (G596)
      174.0  Conv. Top Flap Sensor Left (G596)
      165.0  Sw. Thresh. (closed) Flap Right (G597)
      175.0  Conv. Top Flap Sensor Right (G597)
    
    18:36:59 Group 008: Convertible Top Flap Sensor (Status: Open)
      50.0  Sw. Thresh. (open) Flap Left (G596)
      174.0  Conv. Top Flap Sensor Left (G596)
      55.0  Sw. Thresh. (open) Flap Right (G597)
      175.0  Conv. Top Flap Sensor Right (G597)
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    later after running 'flap initialisation' 'open flap' voltage threshold has changed 
    
    
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    Measuring blocks taken with roof closed/up and flaps open
    motors signal voltage 42/47 below 70/70v (was 42/47v) 'open' threshold
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                    Address 26: Auto Roof  (8J7 959 255 B)
    
    18:45:52 Group 007: Convertible Top Flap Sensors (Status: Closed)
      160.0  Sw. Thresh. (closed) Flap Left (G596)
      42.0  Conv. Top Flap Sensor Left (G596)
      160.0  Sw. Thresh. (closed) Flap Right (G597)
      47.0  Conv. Top Flap Sensor Right (G597)
    
    18:45:52 Group 008: Convertible Top Flap Sensor (Status: Open)
      70.0  Sw. Thresh. (open) Flap Left (G596)
      42.0  Conv. Top Flap Sensor Left (G596)
      70.0  Sw. Thresh. (open) Flap Right (G597)
      47.0  Conv. Top Flap Sensor Right (G597)
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Measuring blocks taken with roof open/down and flaps closed
    motors signal voltage 174/177 above 162/165v 'closed' threshold
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
                    Address 26: Auto Roof  (8J7 959 255 B)
    
    18:46:10 Group 007: Convertible Top Flap Sensors (Status: Closed)
      162.0  Sw. Thresh. (closed) Flap Left (G596)
      174.0  Conv. Top Flap Sensor Left (G596)
      165.0  Sw. Thresh. (closed) Flap Right (G597)
      177.0  Conv. Top Flap Sensor Right (G597)
    
    18:46:10 Group 008: Convertible Top Flap Sensor (Status: Open)
      70.0  Sw. Thresh. (open) Flap Left (G596)
      175.0  Conv. Top Flap Sensor Left (G596)
      70.0  Sw. Thresh. (open) Flap Right (G597)
      177.0  Conv. Top Flap Sensor Right (G597)

    Oh, running the 'Testing Motors for Convertible Flaps' Output Test still has no effect.

    So, to summarise, the original adaptation guide doesn't work as flap test doesn't move flaps and the amended Flap Initialisation instructions don't work either - at least for me.

    Hey it would be great if I had another TT convertible to run VCDS on eh.

    Cheers, John

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgjohn View Post
    Hey it would be great if I had another TT convertible to run VCDS on eh.
    Yeah Another 8J TT without any DTCs would be ideal to baseline but I don't know anyone with one of those vehicles.

    The TPI explicitly says not to exit Output tests prior to operating the roof but based on your detailed feedback ... I have to wonder at this point if the guided test plan deactivates the function and you only need to leave the diagnostic session with address 26 open?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dana View Post
    Yeah Another 8J TT without any DTCs would be ideal to baseline but I don't know anyone with one of those vehicles.

    The TPI explicitly says not to exit Output tests prior to operating the roof but based on your detailed feedback ... I have to wonder at this point if the guided test plan deactivates the function and you only need to leave the diagnostic session with address 26 open?
    Maybe but leaving aside the Re-initialisation for a moment to reflect on inoperable flap output tests;

    [26 - Auto Roof]
    [Output Tests - 03]
    [Select] Selective Output Tests
    [Choose] - Motor for Convertible Top Flap Left (V383)
    [Start]
    Wait until the Flap has open and closed,


    Flaps don't move for me, neither did they for WolfmanJack who wrote:

    >Any idea why the flaps do not move at all during the output test for flap motors, but the roof and flaps operate normal when leaving the test -> I was running the test while engine was running -> Should the engine be off ?
    and
    >What could be an explanation why the flaps do not move at all during the output test for flap motors, but the roof and flaps operate normal when leaving the test ?

    I suppose its conceivable that we both have some kind of scrambled controller that allows the roof and flaps to work but doesn't respond to an output test but what about the possibility that vcds might be at fault?

    It sounds like you may not have been able to test them on an 8J TT?

    As I said upstream the only output test that seems to work is the one that lights the roof open warning indicator.

    John - here to help find a solution

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgjohn View Post
    inoperable flap output tests
    Yeah, that wasn't my work so I didn't delete it from the Wiki. Having it there however will generate feedback .. although now that I think about it that may be limited to broken vehicles rather than fully functional baseline roof systems.

    WolfmanJack is from the US so that should rule out market specific diagnostic functions discrepancies. RoW repair info on the other hand is market specific so you may need to search erWin Audi by VIN to see if anything is available for this specific vehicle.

    I doubt this is a scrambled controller problem because both vehicles have fault codes stored in the 26 controller. We haven't received negative feedback on the Convertible Top Flap Initialisation Output test function but .. our phone support tickets are mainly repair shops with vehicles that just had the latest flap motors installed. WolfmanJack mentioned the VW dealer replaced his motors but I wonder if they were the latest/greatest from the Audi dealer parts department or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by mgjohn View Post
    It sounds like you may not have been able to test them on an 8J TT?
    No, I dug to confirm the label file information matched the test plan and transferred it into the Wiki but I do not have any personal experience with that roof system.

    I don't think VCDS is at fault here but you can do the following with a fault free controller and email the resulting files in the Debug folder:

    [Options]
    Change the Debug level from 0 -to- 1024
    [Apply]

    At that point you can connect to the #26 roof controller and select Convertible Top Flap Initialisation. Please use your best judgement at this point but I would leave that test active/enabled for at least 10 seconds.

    [Done, Go Back]
    [Close Controller, Go Back - 06]

    After exiting VCDS you can check this location C:\Ross-Tech\VCDS\Debug for a file named DEBUG26.DLM. Eric may be able to determine if VCDS receives feedback from the controller when attempting to run the Convertible Top Flap Initialisation reset based on that information.

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