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    MQB and Vehicle Data Learning (VIN)

    Hi,

    Some modules on MQB platform are not component protected so in fact there shouldn't be a problem with VIN changing when you try to replace oryginal module to another (the same or similar model)
    For example

    Front Sensors Driver Assistance System MQB_MFK 5Q0980653E

    Could you confirm that VCDS is able (latest stable or beta version) to update VIN(s) in non protected modules?

    Regards

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    Feel free to post an Auto-Scan of the vehicle in question and clarify your customer status by updating your user profile accordingly. Once that's done, we can probably take a closer look at this.
    Sebastian @ Ross-Tech.com // VCDS Rookie since 2003

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    Autoscan from vag can pro (presales group ):

    Code:
    Control unit						CU name		P/N.            S/W		H/W	DTC
    01 - Engine Control Module 1 				1.8l R4 TFSI 	8V0906264B 	2		H09	0
    02 - Transmission Control Module 			GSG DQ200-MQB	0CW300045E 	3902	        H43	0
    03 - Brakes 1 						ESC 		5Q0907379A 	333		H75	0
    08 - Air Conditioning 					Climatronic	5F0907044	503		H02	0
    09 - Central Electrics 					BCM MQBAB H     5Q0937084Q 	106		H14	0
    13 - Adaptive Cruise Control 				ACC Bosch MQB	5Q0907572A 	150		H04	2*
    15 - Airbag 						Airbag VW20 	3Q0959655AC	188		11	0
    16 - Steering Column Electronics 			Lenks. Modul 	5Q0953507AN	70		7	0
    17 - Dash Board 					KOMBI 		5F0920870F 	556		336	0
    19 - Gateway 						GW MQB High 	5Q0907530F 	1109	        125	0
    42 - Door Electronics Driver Side 			TSG FS 		5Q4959593    	6		7	0
    44 - Steering Assistance 				EPS_MQB_ZFLS 	5Q0909144L 	1021	        119	0
    52 - Door Electronics Passenger Side 			TSG BFS 	5Q4959592        6		7	0
    55 - Headlight Regulation 				LWR-ECU 	5Q0907357        70		5	0
    5F - Information Control Unit 1 			MU-S-N-ER 	5F0035846        171		39	1*
    76 - Parking Assistance					PARKHILFE 8K 	5Q0919294B 	26		2	0
    A5 - Front Sensors Driver Assistance System 		MQB_MFK 	5Q0980653E 	50		H05	0
    A9 - Actuator For Structure-Borne Sound 		SAS-GEN 2 	5F0907159A 	1		H06	0
    
    
    VCP+K v4.0.1 11.07.2015 SmartCard Autoscan protocol2015-07-18 17:09:24.004
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    Adressword  : 01
    VAG no.     :8V0906264B 
    Name        :Engine Control Module 1
    Description :J623 1.8l R4 TFSI 
    
    Comm.mode   :UDS, EV_ECM18TFS0218V0906264B 001002
    SW version  :0002
    Coding      :0B2500322424010B0000
    
    No erros found
    
    ECU scanning finished
    ****************************************************
    
    Adressword  : 02
    VAG no.     :0CW300045E 
    Name        :Transmission Control Module
    Description :J743  GSG DQ200-MQB
    
    Comm.mode   :UDS, EV_TCMDQ200021 001001
    SW version  :3902
    Coding      :0014
    
    No erros found
    
    ECU scanning finished
    ****************************************************
    
    Adressword  : 03
    VAG no.     :5Q0907379A 
    Name        :Brakes 1
    Description :J104  ESC          
    
    Comm.mode   :UDS, EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100ESP 008020
    SW version  :0333
    Coding      :20EE6A9230242A71007E060101CA2904560C5400608094F4004D0020C0
    
    No erros found
    
    ECU scanning finished
    ****************************************************
    
    Adressword  : 08
    VAG no.     :5F0907044  
    Name        :Air Conditioning
    Description :J255  Climatronic  
    
    Comm.mode   :UDS, EV_ACClimaBHBVW37X 002017
    SW version  :0503
    Coding      :00000014200100011105004000101000
    
    No erros found
    
    ECU scanning finished
    ****************************************************
    
    Adressword  : 09
    VAG no.     :5Q0937084Q 
    Name        :Central Electrics
    Description :J519  BCM MQBAB H  
    
    Comm.mode   :UDS, EV_BCMCONTI 010001
    SW version  :0106
    Coding      :08101942C2C102FB0BA44000B11C0728002A000000000000000000000000
    
    No erros found
    
    ECU scanning finished
    ****************************************************
    
    Adressword  : 13
    VAG no.     :5Q0907572A 
    Name        :Adaptive Cruise Control
    Description :J428  ACC Bosch MQB
    
    Comm.mode   :UDS, EV_ACCMRRBoschVW372 001013
    SW version  :0150
    Coding      :00001200FE0309
    
    Errors found
    
    000422 (U112300) Databus error value received
    
    00070F (B203200) no enable identification active
    
    ECU scanning finished
    ****************************************************
    
    Adressword  : 15
    VAG no.     :3Q0959655AC
    Name        :Airbag
    Description :J234  Airbag VW20  
    
    Comm.mode   :UDS, EV_AirbaVW20TS6VW48X 001116
    SW version  :0188
    Coding      :98CCC000000000005C0000CC000800000065
    
    No erros found
    
    ECU scanning finished
    ****************************************************
    
    Adressword  : 16
    VAG no.     :5Q0953507AN
    Name        :Steering Column Electronics
    Description :J527  Lenks. Modul 
    
    Comm.mode   :UDS, EV_SMLSKLOMQB 009001
    SW version  :0070
    Coding      :AC00
    
    No erros found
    
    ECU scanning finished
    ****************************************************
    
    Adressword  : 17
    VAG no.     :5F0920870F 
    Name        :Dash Board
    Description :J285  KOMBI        
    
    Comm.mode   :UDS, EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB 008026
    SW version  :0556
    Coding      :07AD0A086D84000801897A03010000
    
    No erros found
    
    ECU scanning finished
    ****************************************************
    
    Adressword  : 19
    VAG no.     :5Q0907530F 
    Name        :Gateway
    Description :J533  GW MQB High  
    
    Comm.mode   :UDS, EV_GatewLear 006010
    SW version  :1109
    Coding      :030100F42B085800CF0006E81C0F00010001000000000000000000000000
    
    No erros found
    
    ECU scanning finished
    ****************************************************
    
    Adressword  : 42
    VAG no.     :5Q4959593  
    Name        :Door Electronics Driver Side
    Description :J386  TSG FS       
    
    Comm.mode   :UDS, EV_DCUDriveSideEWMAXCONT 006001
    SW version  :0006
    Coding      :00100220DC00020000001000
    
    No erros found
    
    ECU scanning finished
    ****************************************************
    
    Adressword  : 44
    VAG no.     :5Q0909144L 
    Name        :Steering Assistance
    Description :J500  EPS_MQB_ZFLS 
    
    Comm.mode   :UDS, EV_SteerAssisMQB 008022
    SW version  :1021
    Coding      :91
    
    No erros found
    
    ECU scanning finished
    ****************************************************
    
    Adressword  : 52
    VAG no.     :5Q4959592  
    Name        :Door Electronics Passenger Side
    Description :J387  TSG BFS      
    
    Comm.mode   :UDS, EV_DCUPasseSideEWMAXCONT 006001
    SW version  :0006
    Coding      :00100220DC00020000001000
    
    No erros found
    
    ECU scanning finished
    ****************************************************
    
    Adressword  : 55
    VAG no.     :5Q0907357  
    Name        :Headlight Regulation
    Description :J431  LWR-ECU      
    
    Comm.mode   :UDS, EV_HeadlRegulVWLWRMQB 001110
    SW version  :0070
    Coding      :049A000009000000
    
    No erros found
    
    ECU scanning finished
    ****************************************************
    
    Adressword  : 5F
    VAG no.     :5F0035846  
    Name        :Information Control Unit 1
    Description :J794  MU-S-N-ER    
    
    Comm.mode   :UDS, EV_MUStd6C1PASE 002030
    SW version  :0171
    Coding      :04730001D70A000021110001000800002F01010401000100C6
    
    Errors found
    
    001C05 (U111100) Function limitation due to missing message
    
    ECU scanning finished
    ****************************************************
    
    Adressword  : 76
    VAG no.     :5Q0919294B 
    Name        :Parking Assistance
    Description :J791  PARKHILFE 8K 
    
    Comm.mode   :UDS, EV_EPHVA18AU3700000 002016
    SW version  :0026
    Coding      :0031251051
    
    No erros found
    
    ECU scanning finished
    ****************************************************
    
    Adressword  : A5
    VAG no.     :5Q0980653E 
    Name        :Front Sensors Driver Assistance System
    Description :R242  MQB_MFK      
    
    Comm.mode   :UDS, EV_MFKBoschAU370 001001
    SW version  :0050
    Coding      :0101010101040304020501000100000000
    
    No erros found
    
    ECU scanning finished
    ****************************************************
    
    Adressword  : A9
    VAG no.     :5F0907159A 
    Name        :Actuator For Structure-Borne Sound
    Description :J869  SAS-GEN 2    
    
    Comm.mode   :UDS, EV_SoundActuaGen2AU64X 003010
    SW version  :0001
    Coding      :
    
    No erros found
    
    ECU scanning finished
    ****************************************************
    I'd like to change 5Q0919294B to 5Q0919298A to enable 360 Park Assist and auto-parking capability like in Golf Mk7
    Don't worry about module 13, trying to add ACC but it is much harder (swap codes)
    Last edited by Raynold; 07-22-2015 at 12:03 PM. Reason: add

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    Sorry Raynold. This is not the VCP support group. You are not asking about capabilities of VCDS. You are asking for very vehicle specific questions that we are only willing to attempt with our licensed registered users. Seems to us that you have everything except information which you seek to pull from us without buying anything from Ross-Tech. Your request goes beyond what we are willing to answer in a pre-sales forum.

    We know that once we supply the information you desire, the sale is over. You will find a way to use your VAS clone, your VCP, and other tools to which we know you have access to implement that which you hope to do. We have answered as much as were going to answer now.

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    Sorry Bruce but i'm looking for a reason (see http://forums.ross-tech.com/showthre...B-ACC-retrofit) to buy VCDS AND *i'm asking about VCDS feature(s)* about i'm not sure. And you're right i'm asking about very specific features which not exists in other products especially VCP or ODIS.

    In fact i planned buy VCDS (via local importer) this week but due to lack of feedback, decision is postponed.

    Only information i want to get is: *Yes, VCDS can work with MQB and write VIN* (i'dont care how and i don't want to know at this moment, google is still open so i can close answer related to other cars eg. what channel and what to do on that channel. Again i don't expect answer like that but confirmation it will work vith MQB/Leon 5F).

    The answer is very important for me, if VCDS + interface *will not do what i want (or i ask for)*, i will return it.
    I don't care about interface clones because with it i don't get support on this forum and i will not be able to return it (not mentioning about future features, new functions and 100% compatibility with car and vcds. we are talking about newest VW platform so compatibility is a key). Vehicle Data learning is one question. i suspect i will have tons more.

    Lets summary: Question is not about HOW (to do smth) but about compatibility or ability.

    Have a nice day
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    R.
    Last edited by Raynold; 07-23-2015 at 02:49 AM.

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    Raynold, I do not believe that any diagnostic tool will be able to change VINs in the control modules. I'm not sure that the factory tool can do so with it's diagnostic capabilities. My guess is that to change VIN, one needs to do it through a re-flash of the module.

    I am not aware of any function within our VCDS that would let one change VIN on any module whether it be MQB or other platform.

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    Reflash not touch OTP and FAZIT area. Imagine ECU or cluster after reflash will be virgin ? No way
    HOT HOT HOT VW Touran 2005 with ACC HOT HOT HOT

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    If for example, it is because a new ECU ([A5]) is installed, and there is no VIN.
    Then my guess would be, the VIN is transferred after a calibration process is performed and not by the diagnostic equipment as such.
    But it is only an guess, I have never tried it.

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    As far i know it depends on the module
    Eg. 5Q0919298A has no VIN-coded (empty field), and working perfectly with leon 5f (Park Assist with OPS)
    another module - 5Q0907572A (ACC Radar) has been adopted to my car (VIN is the same) during removing component protection, without any calibration (guys at the official workshop didn't have board fo calibration)

    Probably only way is scan CAN transmission during ODIS operations and it is not guarantee of success due to possible encryption of data...

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